DEBUNKED! Possible Details About the Skywalker Twins in Episode VIII.

luke-and-leia1A pair of rumors surrounding Episode VIII have just popped up concerning Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa. Take these with a grain of salt, but they may provide good detail on the direction that Lucasfilm wants to take with the Sequel Trilogy as a whole.

 

 

Major Spoilers Ahead. EDIT: Only not really.

 

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I’ll note that I won’t reveal the name of the source (who I’ll call “Jack”) here as I don’t want to bring unwanted attention to them. Without further ado, here’s what Jack said regarding the script of Episode VIII:

First of all, Luke is not Rey’s father. If you really can’t let go of this, watch Episode VII again and pay attention. He is not revealed to be her father in Episode VIII, not will he be in Episode IX.

The second, and more exciting one, is that Leia uses the Force in Episode VIII. It’s unfortunately true that they’ve minimised her screen time by writing her out after an attack early on, but the really cool thing about the sequence is that Leia survives only because she uses the Force. That’s all the detail you’re getting, but it’s a fact.

I appreciate the need for evidence, but come next year, you’ll know it’s correct.

So, there you go. Luke Skywalker, you are not the father. Rey is not your baby girl after all. Leia Organa, the Force is with you. Leia being comatose for part of the movie does line up with information presented by Making Star Wars, who described a scene with Poe Dameron and Laura Dern’s character as happening as a result of Leia temporarily being taken off of the playing field.

 

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Now that that’s out of the way, I’d like to clarify a few things. This information has already spread through certain areas of the blogosphere, but I’d like to add an extended addendum to this article regarding the source of this information and what he predicted.

 

I should note that the source has been associated with information that leaked out about The Force Awakens months in advance of the release of the movie – information which I relayed through a rather extensive article back in the day. As many of you know, a bunch of that ended up being true in one way or another. I gleaned a good portion of that information through the efforts of The Cantina user MagnarTheGreat (although he had not joined the board at the time, since it was not yet open), who had extensively been looking through information regarding potential leaks. MTG has noted that Jack is not the same source (who I’ll call “Jill”) that he followed for the information I relayed in the old article, even though some readers have associated Jack with the text I accumulated. Jill is. In short, MTG is more trusting than Jill than of Jack.

 

That’s not to discredit Jack, however. Some of what Jack erroneously reported (like Finn being described as Lando’s son) does line up with information tied to early development of the film (the “Mizzlewump” draft that is mentioned in the article I wrote above) that was later cast aside. Others, however, were right on the money (like some set descriptions and the appearance of the First Order Stormtroopers). Jill said the following about the other user’s leaks a while ago:

For what it’s worth, [Jack] was the first to mention Episode VII’s true codename “Avco.” As I said long before [Jack] revealed the codename, I knew what the new codename was (the first one was “Foodles”) but I didn’t want to share it in case they decided to change it again and possibly dry up some of the information leaking out. But once [Jack] mentioned “Avco,” I knew that he at least had some kind of inside connection at Pinewood. I’ve since learned that [Jack] has been correct about a couple other things he’s reported, although the context has changed a bit, so I’d rather not share what those things were or what they really mean at this time.

Again, take this all with a grain of salt. Keep in mind that some things change during the course of production, so what may be true in a script might not necessarily be true in the final script.

 

Special thanks to MagnarTheGreat for helping clear this up.

 

UPDATE!

 

 

As it turns out, the information presented here is all fake by the admission of the “leaker”. Since there’s no point in hiding his identity now – since he does not – I can say that IMDB user Mr_Ghostface_Lives was “Jack”. Here is his “admission of guilt”, as it were:

For whatever reasons, I made up the rumours I posted recently. I’m not employed by any entity related to Star Wars, I have no access to any tangible material to back up my theories and everything I’ve posted about the new films was pure guesswork. Apologies.

While being duped is irritating, Mr_Ghostface_Lives does deserve credit for admitting that he made the story up; other would-be “leakers” attempt to mislead fans in the hopes that they can get fifteen minutes of fame on websites such as this (and the people who have done this very recently know who they are), and would rather quietly disappear than admit that they were taking us for a ride. We at Star Wars News Net apologize for running an article based on a false lead, and we will continue to keep you covered with the latest rumors and stories regarding Episode VIII and everything else tied to a Galaxy Far, Far Away.

 

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Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

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Grant has been a fan of Star Wars for as long as he can remember, having seen every movie on the big screen. When he’s not hard at work with his college studies, he keeps himself busy by reporting on all kinds of Star Wars news for SWNN and general movie news on the sister site, Movie News Net. He served as a frequent commentator on SWNN’s The Resistance Broadcast.

241 thoughts on “DEBUNKED! Possible Details About the Skywalker Twins in Episode VIII.

  • June 9, 2016 at 7:46 pm
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    That’s what i’ve said! She is not Luke’s father or Han’s father. Her story is about her future and not her past. My theory, which is probably wrong, is that her parents are either nobodies or members of the Knights of Ren. Her story is about how the force is using her when she doesn’t want to be used. A calling she’s not ready to accept. I think she’s going to look to luke for answers and he’s going to clearly tell her he has none.

    • June 9, 2016 at 7:53 pm
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      I sure would hope she isn’t Han or Luke’s father. That would really be messed up. Haha.

      • June 9, 2016 at 8:14 pm
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        There were rumours about Rey been a reincarnated Anakin though.

        • June 9, 2016 at 8:58 pm
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          Yes, and it’s the worst idea out there.

          • June 9, 2016 at 10:00 pm
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            I agree 100%. The fan who made it up must’ve drunk too much cactus juice…

          • June 10, 2016 at 12:14 am
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            Then how come Anakin’s spirit hasn’t made an appearance (but yoda and Kenibi have, at least in voice?)

          • June 10, 2016 at 12:40 am
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            It still could, just hopefully not in the form of Hayden Christensen.

    • June 9, 2016 at 8:13 pm
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      And what about the Skywalker line? As far as we know (unless they shoehorn in another child) Kylo is the last of the line. Are you okay with the murderer of Han being our final Skywalker just to have a new character as the focus of the prequels?

  • June 9, 2016 at 7:52 pm
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    This is straight off of MSW

    • June 9, 2016 at 8:33 pm
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      Yes, they posted about this IMDb user as well. Not sure what you mean it’s straight off. We’ve been following his comments since 2014.

      • June 9, 2016 at 11:15 pm
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        Don’t mean to fan the flames, but why not mention that it comes from an IMDB user in the article? Did this person give you guys the info outside of IMDB?

    • June 9, 2016 at 10:21 pm
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      For what it’s worth, I was planning on reporting on this before MSW posted their article.

      – Pomojema

  • June 9, 2016 at 7:53 pm
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    Rey has to be Leia or Luke’s daughter otherwise Skywalker family will disappear. Ben solo will never be redeemed because he killed the favorite character Han Solo

    • June 9, 2016 at 8:04 pm
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      Perhaps Disney are moving away from the Skywalker bloodline.

      • June 9, 2016 at 8:16 pm
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        Kennedy said early on, the saga stories are the Skywalker story. Maybe they changed their minds at Lucasfilms. My guess this is all misdirection.

        • June 9, 2016 at 8:30 pm
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          She also said that TFA deals with “orphans”, most likely referring to Rey and Finn.

        • June 9, 2016 at 9:31 pm
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          Maybe Luke ensuring the survival of the Jedi through this new trilogy is the Skywalker role in this part of the saga.

          • June 10, 2016 at 3:10 am
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            Like the reason Luke had that tormented look on his face at the end of TFA was that he just finished changing 6x Luke-baby nappies & was stressed-out repopulating & raising the next gen of Jedi by himself.

      • June 9, 2016 at 11:12 pm
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        Unless Kylo has children or Luke has children besides Rey we don’t know of (which I seriously doubt), then Kylo is the last of the Skywalker bloodline. That is a horrible end to the Skywalker line and Saga. It makes the Skywalkers seem cursed. Disney is insane if they think fans will be okay with a dark end to the Skywalker family. This isn’t the Godfather Saga. Do you seriously think it is a good idea to end the Skywalker lineage with the murderer of Han?

        • June 9, 2016 at 11:25 pm
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          Unless Ben and Rey fall in love and have a child together. I could see that happening.

          • June 9, 2016 at 11:49 pm
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            Really? After Han Solo? Making those two fall in love in a beliveable way would be one of the hardest writing job in the history of cinema.

          • June 10, 2016 at 12:46 am
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            It could be pulled off if a major part of the redemption of Ben Skywalker-Solo (Kylo Ren) revolves around remorse for killing Han. If Han’s last loving act towards his son (the touch on the bridge) ends up being the spark that lights the fire of Kylo’s eventual and gradual turn back to the light…. then Han’s death becomes a nobl sacrifice made out of love for his son.

            Of course, another key could be if something happens in the course of the films that changes Rey’s mind about Kylo Ren being “a monster”.

            Repenting of killing his father, combined with Kylo and Rey eventually falling for each other could work very well dramatically.

            Personally I would rather see that than to have Rey beat Kylo potentially twice more. Not only would that give us the same thing as TFA did (Rey beats Kylo AGAIN), but it would mean that Han’s last act of love to his son (the touch on the bridge) meant absolutely nothing.

          • June 10, 2016 at 3:53 am
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            Exactly! I completely agree with all that!

          • June 10, 2016 at 3:07 am
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            Re: “After Han Solo?”
            Maybe Rey just really likes “bad boys”.

            When Kylo wants to turn her on…it’s all “Remember that time I sliced through your would-be mentor?! Yeah, you like that!”

            Rey would need some serious therapy to find a healthy relationship.

          • June 21, 2016 at 8:43 pm
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            See my post above. They have a long way to go for fans to accept Kylo as a redeemed hero. I’m for a redemption story of some kind, but he will still be the murderer of Han even if he does turn.

        • June 10, 2016 at 12:25 am
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          But that’s the whole point. A Skywalker-centric franchise is very constrictive, and frankly too soapy. SW is predominantly about the battle of good versus evil. Vader redeemed himself at the end of Jedi, possibly they’ll be a similar ending for Kylo Ren. I don’t see the Skywalkers as a cursed family as they simply played their role in the GFFA. Luke was destined to become a Jedi, and Leia a leader. Both helped bring a period of peace and stability to the galaxy.

          • June 10, 2016 at 12:49 am
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            Star Wars is largely a Space Opera. It is supposed to be “soapy.” If Kylo is the last of the Skywalkers then they ARE a cursed family and it makes the Saga a tragedy where Luke fails to prevent his nephew from repeating his father’s mistakes and the bloodline ends with a committer of patricide. If there is another new Skywalker then it is a balanced tragedy. As I said before, you can focus on others without killing off the bloodline with the murderer of Han, redeemed or not.

        • June 10, 2016 at 2:31 am
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          You talk about it like you have shares in star wars or lucasfilm. Disney paid for it and will do how they feel. All this doom and gloom because rey might not be a skylwaker is ridiculous. Relax man, they’ll figure it out. If they don’t have a beer my dude.

          • June 21, 2016 at 8:41 pm
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            No, I talk about it like I’ve been a Star Wars fan my whole life and am invested in how the saga is dealt with. We fans all have the right to agree or disagree with what they do with the films. Their ownership of the property has nothing to do with my thoughts on the matter.

      • June 10, 2016 at 12:24 am
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        I can’t imagine that risk-averse, profit-hungry Disney is going to move Star Wars too far away from the name “Skywalker.”

        • June 10, 2016 at 12:39 am
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          I believe the sequel trilogy is the transition away from the Skywalkers. Look at the new main trio, only one of which could be a Skywalker. In the OT, two out of the three were a Skywalker.

    • June 9, 2016 at 8:08 pm
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      Exactly! This is what I have been trying to stress to those who don’t want her to be a Skywalker or don’t think it is important. If there aren’t any other new Skywalkers (and I think it would feel shoehorned in if it is anyone but Rey), then Kylo is our last Skywalker. Even if he were redeemed and lives (which I’m not opposed to, though it would be a hard sell to most Han fans), then he would still have the death of Han on his hands. People aren’t thinking through the ramifications of her being a true “nobody.” This is the death of the Skywalker line, people!

    • June 9, 2016 at 8:19 pm
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      Yeah, if Rey isn’t Luke’s daughter, I hope she turns out to be Han and Leia’s daughter. Better to have Kylo Ren being taken care of by his own sister rather than some nobody. Maybe TPTB just make Rey a nobody.

      • June 10, 2016 at 12:09 am
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        I know some people will not like this, but I’m starting to enjoy the EU timeline better than this.

    • June 9, 2016 at 8:31 pm
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      Ben solo can have a bastard son at some point and maybe he will turn out good

      • June 9, 2016 at 9:30 pm
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        Gets kinda easy to spot the bad Skywalker in that case, doesn’t it? Eeeny-meeny-miney-EVIL.

      • June 9, 2016 at 11:48 pm
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        You’ve been watching too much GoT 🙂

    • June 9, 2016 at 8:39 pm
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      Rey is still the spiritual successor to Lule Skywalker even if she isn’t related to him. It’s still the story of a young woman who accepts the mantle from Luke.

      • June 10, 2016 at 12:04 am
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        Bu not the so much aired story of the Skwalker family…..

    • June 9, 2016 at 9:42 pm
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      What if the rumors of (a reedemed) Ben and Rey eventually falling in love are true ? I would feel bad about Finn, but TPTB have already decided he is to become a secondary character in the trilogy anyway, so he might not get the girl after all.

      • June 10, 2016 at 2:04 am
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        Finn was Rey’s bumbling comic relief sidekick, not a true secondary main character, like Han Solo.

    • June 9, 2016 at 10:40 pm
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      What if Kylo Ren was redeemed by having a child who became a Jedi? That would put their bloodline back on track.

    • June 10, 2016 at 2:29 am
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      How about if there is another skywalker? Kylo can be redeemed just like Anakin can and Luke might even have kids of his own. There will be more skywalkers in future films guaranteed.

      Also Finn is a force user 100%, I think his powers will manifest over the trilogy.

    • June 10, 2016 at 6:59 pm
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      Kylo can have a child or twins with a secret wife like Anakin. Yes, its possible. No, I don’t think it will be in this trilogy with since all the movies are running together in a very short period of time. They don’t have any time to explore the narrative in depth or explain where she came from. Much like LUKES WIFE we keep speculating about and the closeness events of Bloodline in relation to Episode 7.

  • June 9, 2016 at 8:13 pm
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    This is why not revealing her parents in Ep7 was so stupid. They are screwed either way. If she is Luke’s kid, then everyone is saying yeah that was kind of obvious so what was the point of hiding it. And if she is not, then why hide it cause who cares. This is the exact same mistake Abrams made in the last Star Trek movie.

    • June 9, 2016 at 8:18 pm
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      ya and didn’t he recently say he regretted that?

      • June 9, 2016 at 9:06 pm
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        In regards to Khan, yeah. During the press events for Force Awakens he admitted it was a mistake. Maybe he said that cause he realized he had just made the same mistake again.

        • June 10, 2016 at 12:04 am
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          You would think Disney would jump at the chance to introduce more Skywalkers, if only to strengthen the brand recognition. Like how Mater is in all those “Cars” movies.

          • June 10, 2016 at 2:02 am
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            I’m kind of glad they didn’t. I want to see non-related characters play a large role in the galaxy. Make it bigger, not smaller.

            “STAR WARS” is all the brand they need.

          • June 21, 2016 at 6:49 pm
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            That’d also be watering down the characters. They’d either become cookie cutter Skywalkers (or boring) or it would be a race to predict who falls to the dark side and it’d end up like Twilight – Team So-and-so vs. Team Prick.

    • June 9, 2016 at 8:20 pm
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      Yep. Can’t help but feel they’ve backed themselves into a corner over Rey by trying to be clever. The problem now is if she is a Skywalker they’re going to have to put some fresh spin on it to make it interesting, hence all the rumours of clone or reincarnated spirit of the chosen one.

      Maybe he adopted her, so he’s her father from a certain point of view, and it leads to him saying ‘no, I’m not your father’ lol, though I would be happy with ‘yes, I am your father’

      Its interesting, but also a complete mess…

      • June 21, 2016 at 6:47 pm
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        They can’t help fans speculating until keyboards break.

        People still thought Vader was lying to Luke between 1980 and 83. Not sure Lucas could have helped that, nor help who was the ‘other hope’ that Yoda spoke about.

        21st Century Keyboard Warriors forget about this, apparently.

        • June 21, 2016 at 8:37 pm
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          Pretty sure the internet wasn’t a big thing back in 80s….. Still I get what you are saying and the whole ‘other hope’ is a prime example of how Lucas may of had a general outline of the saga, but was also making changes along the way. Some people seem to think there is a master plan even now.

      • June 22, 2016 at 9:44 pm
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        I guarantee they did not back themselves into a corner and that this is one of the few things they have mapped out all the way through

    • June 9, 2016 at 9:14 pm
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      The movie is a mess, she was dumped on Jakku at young age and you could see that she was left with Unkar Plutt, WTF? They decide Rey doesn’t need no man nor does she need no parents. She is just a random girl that has an “awakening”, insta-Jedi and that’s about it, we have to swallow that and shut iup I guess. You can tell the production is embarrassed because fanboys are speculating on her identity just as much as Snoke’s. The script was written by the biggest hack in Hollywood, look no further.

      • June 10, 2016 at 12:02 am
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        Youre right. If she is indeed a nobody, why sho us that she was left on Jakku in the first place? And why to be left with Ukar Plutt? That doesn’ t make sense no matter who her parents are.

        • June 10, 2016 at 12:27 am
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          Where did all the people who actually liked TFA go? I keep seeing people like you guys everywhere…

          • June 10, 2016 at 12:36 am
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            I was 4 times to see it, midnight opening and then 3 times Imax. I have the original Bluray copy. I like TFA a lot. But as times goes people naturally think more and deeper and the blindness fades away. I see no problem in liking the movie and having indecent questions about it at the same time…otherwise we could do it as sheeps – beeeeeeeeeh… 🙂

          • June 10, 2016 at 12:40 am
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            Questions that could be answered in episodes VIII or IX.

          • June 10, 2016 at 1:28 am
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            I hope so! 🙂 I remember Lucas once promised Episode 3 will answer all the remain questions…..

          • June 10, 2016 at 1:51 am
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            Sounds like a great way to get butts in seats. ;B

          • June 21, 2016 at 6:45 pm
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            Pioneered by Lucas himself.

            Same guy that told JJ that people are going to hate you either way you go.

          • June 21, 2016 at 8:50 pm
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            That’s just a cop out. While it had its flaws, did people hate Lucas for the OT?

            The PT had poor scripts, bad performances and too much CGI, and the TFA had a poor script, a Mary Sue protagonist and too much ANH rehashing.

          • June 22, 2016 at 5:09 am
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            The OT had the right amount of fun characters, which TFA does as well.

          • June 22, 2016 at 11:45 am
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            I don’t just want to be entertained by fun characters, especially not when it’s Star Wars. I want a good script that fleshes out and balances the characters in terms of overall competency and tells a new, engaging story.

          • June 22, 2016 at 9:37 pm
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            Then don’t go see episode VIII trust me nobody will miss your money or “fandom”. Everything you are complaining about is 100% false

            Judging by the fact you can’t stop talking about the movie this long after its release I would say they hooked you big time. this movie did just about everything right and the vast majority feels that way. They aren’t catering to the 5% of people who won’t be happy no matter what

            If you feel that all episode VII had was “fun characters” then I truly feel sorry for you that you aren’t falling in love with SW all over again like the other 90% of us

          • June 23, 2016 at 2:04 am
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            LOL. I wasn’t asking or expecting anyone to miss anything of mine. Oh, okay. Everything I’m complaining about is 100% false just because you said so. o<|8o)~

            "Long after its release?" Dude, it's only been 6 months. Fans talk about Star Wars for decades to come. It doesn't matter if they're good or not.

            I have no problem having a dissenting view. I'm not here to be popular. I don't need your pity. Look. If you honestly loved what they did with TFA, then good for you, but I'm not going to blindly accept what they gave us because I know Star Wars deserved better.

            You see, it's because of my love for Star Wars that I feel compelled to criticize the lazy and poor script, but there's nothing wrong with fans disagreeing. You see, unlike you, I recognize that it's silly to use quotes on people with a different opinion.

            Don't be so sore next time. ;B

          • June 10, 2016 at 1:50 am
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            No. TFA should’ve been a complete film, like ANH. Then you let the sequels build on that. They didn’t make a big mystery out of who Luke’s father was. We were told one thing in ANH, then got the unexpected twist in TESB.

            As far as I can tell, Disney is only setting fans up for disappointment by purposely making Rey’s parents’ identity some big mystery. Just focus on telling a good, complete story.

          • June 11, 2016 at 8:32 am
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            AuDiOsAnE, just because ANH was a complete film doesn’t mean TFA has to be. I see so many people complaining about how TFA was just a “remake” of ANH. Well, the fact that TFA isn’t a “complete film” is just one thing separates it from ANH. I, personally, think it’s cool that Disney/Lucasfilm/JJ/Kennedy is doing this. We’ve never seen this in a Star Wars film before and that’s nice.

          • June 11, 2016 at 11:33 am
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            So… an incomplete film is nice? TFA didn’t give us any real sense of the larger galactic affairs, Rey’s background was almost a complete mystery and Kylo Ren’s fall to the dark side is a bit too vague for me to be that emotionally invested. I don’t want different just for the sake of being different. TFA played it too safe by rehashing ANH. The only reason why Rey’s parentage was a big mystery is because they’re playing up the pop culture surprise twist of Darth Vader being Luke Skywalker’s father. Otherwise, no one would really care all that much.

            What they don’t realize, or don’t care to realize, is that Luke’s father’s identity wasn’t some big mystery in ANH. More likely than not, the reveal of Rey’s parentage will be disappointing.

            Don’t be surprised if VIII and IX’s explanation of the events that happened in TFA don’t make a whole lot of sense.

          • June 12, 2016 at 12:36 am
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            I don’t understand how a movie can be too safe, but yet too different at the same time. It’s one or the other and I personally favor that it is more different than the same.

            The mystery box thing is purely JJ Abrams who cowrote the final draft with Kasdan. It’s no wonder why we got such a mystery of who’s related to who or who is who because mystery really does sell tickets. Unanswered questions gives the future writers an allowance to be more flexible. Even if they did answer questions like who’s Rey’s parents are and who is Snoke, what’s to say they can’t turn that around and give a twist like the whole Vader killed your father, but no Vader is your father thing. I simply see it as a strategy to storytelling that many might not agree with, but if it gets people to see the sequels then how can that be considered a bad thing.

            You make a good point on Rey’s parentage, where a vast majority of moviegoers are assuming she’s related to Luke in some way, this is only confirmed more by Kathleen when she said that the Star Wars episode movies are about the Skywalkers.

            There’s only four ways that her parentage can play out.
            1) She is related to Luke and that appeases all of the Rey Skywalker fans but comes across as pretty obvious in the long run.
            2) Rey is not a Skywalker, and is just a no body who had the force awakened and manages to be incredibly skilled and gifted but had a tough upbringing. This pleases all of the fans who don’t think she’s a Skywalker, but it seems kind of anticlimactic to go through a whole movie to showcase this incredible character only for her to be a random person.
            3) Rey has a connection to some other fairly well known family who is already stablished as being strong in the force. Eg. Kenobi, Palpatine, Antilles even. This comes off as more of a twist than the Skywalker or no body heritage, but comes across as a cheap way out of the decision to choose between Luke or not. It still pleases the fans who don’t think she’s a Skywalker or a nobody though.
            4) Rey is an experiment/miracle/reincarnation like Anakin was seemingly the Chosen One. Seems the most far fetched but it has been done before and if we find out that she ends up being an experiment as a part of Snoke or somebody’s larger plan then that pretty much just repeats the prequel story. Kind of pisses everyone off, and also comes across as cheap. A prequel story within an original trilogy toned sequel trilogy.

            So no matter what some fans are going to be displeased in the long run, but even if they answered this question in TFA it still would have displeased the fans who want her to be who they want her to be. Hence why I believe it’s best to just go with whatever they have planned and accept it.

          • June 12, 2016 at 1:46 pm
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            TFA was safe by rehashing too much from ANH but different from ANH by not taking the time to explain certain things instead of feeling like a complete film where you understood both the galactic conflict and the characters’ backgrounds and motivations.

            I get that Abrams loves his mystery box and was going to use it in this film. I just don’t agree with it. Star Wars doesn’t need mystery to sell tickets. Just give us an engaging story with likable characters and entertaining action sequences. By purposely leaving certain information out of the film, it makes the film feel incomplete and raises expectations of the answers we’ll likely see in the sequels, answers which will probably not be as great or as original as we’re hoping. They could’ve given us a complete film now while still providing a twist somewhere later on.

            Besides there only being so many possibilities with Rey’s parentage that many hardcore fans have already considered, there are only so many options to continue the Skywalker bloodline if these films extend past IX:

            1. Rey is a Skywalker/Solo and continues their bloodline with a kid.

            2. Rey is not a Skywalker/Solo and has a kid with Kylo Ren, whether he is redeemed or not.

            3. Kylo Ren is the only Skywalker/Solo and has a kid with someone other than Rey.

            4. “There is another.” That person has a kid.

          • June 22, 2016 at 9:36 pm
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            TFA was absolutely a complete film. We have a few unanswered questions but everything that related to the immediacy of episode VII was resolved. It was a complete film that set up a larger story which is exactly what it should have been. The plot of episode VII was absolutely resolved

          • June 23, 2016 at 2:17 am
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            The galactic political situation wasn’t properly explained. Was the New Republic the underdogs? Were they basically on level playing field with the First Order? When I first saw TFA, I had thought the entire New Republic, except the Resistance, had been blown up. Now I hear otherwise, but they never showed up in the film.

            Kylo Ren’s motivation to turn to the dark side didn’t feel properly explained. Why exactly did he turn? Plus, it felt out of character for Han to abandon his son, assuming that’s what happened.

            Rey’s background wasn’t properly explained and doesn’t make a lot of sense. Who, if anyone, raised her? How does it make any sense for a scavenger focused on surviving on limited resources long enough to reunite with her family to have so many skills?

            ANH felt like a complete film because they didn’t go out of their way to give us unexplained things, unlike Abrams.

        • June 10, 2016 at 2:50 am
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          Re: “left with Ukar Plutt? That doesn’ t make sense no matter who her parents are”
          We’re not directly told that it’s her parents who left her w/Plutt.
          Parents could’ve left her with someone else…or parents/someone else caring for her dropped her there for some reason, in an emergency, thinking they’d “be right back” but themselves were captured/killed.

          Not saying any sane person would trust Plutt as *babysitter* – but a rushed promise that he’d get her to Lor San Tekka (or something)?

          • June 10, 2016 at 5:03 pm
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            The person who says “I’ll be back, sweethard, I promise” sounds like he would be her father, or at least someone very close to her.

          • June 10, 2016 at 8:30 pm
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            Understood. But that could be anyone: mother, aunt/uncle, close family friend/caretaker.

            I just don’t assume it’s automatically her parent(s) nor that they had a lot of choice in the matter (i.e. on-the-run & leaving w/Plutt was not a long-term planned situation).

  • June 9, 2016 at 8:21 pm
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    I can accept that Rey would not be Luke’s daughter. It makes sense that Luke would believe in carrying on the tradition of celibacy among the Jedi. I would still like Rey to be Ben Solo’s sister because it would just make sense within the saga.

    • June 9, 2016 at 9:37 pm
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      I would also like Ben and Rey to be siblings, as that would add dramatic effect to the trilogy. However, I believe she will end up being unrelated to the Skywalkers, which will dismiss the idea that the Skywalker family is somehow “special” among the broader universe of force users.

      • June 10, 2016 at 1:00 am
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        Which I like. i find it much more exciting to think that anyone has the power to become an awesome Jedi, rather than saying that the Skywalkers are some special family descended from Space Jesus.

        • June 10, 2016 at 2:42 am
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          Re: “Skywalkers are some special family descended from Space Jesus”
          Yes, but the already informed us that they (Skywalkers) ARE.
          Anakin was even miraculously conceived by the will of The Force.

          • June 10, 2016 at 4:13 am
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            I know. That’s why I called him Space Jesus. It’s stupid and overly-hamfisted storytelling straight from the mind of George “faster, more intense” Lucas. Sam guy who made the midichlorians.

          • June 10, 2016 at 6:39 am
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            You’ve been reported for displaying disrespect towards the Creator.

            Also, no, get this “anyone can be a Jedi” nonsense out of your head. If that was the case, then that would make the idea of someone being a Force user less special and would cheapen the narrative by especially awarding everyone a participation ribbon. It essentially diminishes the prestige of becoming a Jedi if everyone has the potential to become one. That said, that doesn’t mean that only Skywalkers should be the Force users as there probably are other individuals with potential to become Jedi out in the galaxy but if it was the case that anyone could, then the concept of being a Force user just gets watered down.

            Also, if you’re trying to make a sound argument, don’t make it sound like youre trying to justify a Mary Sue-type of character (much less come off like an armchair filmmaker like if you’re a pro in making movies and had great success at creating stories and generated billions of dollars) 😉

          • June 10, 2016 at 10:46 am
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            Reported for reporting!!!

          • June 10, 2016 at 5:00 pm
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            And you’ve been reported for filing false reports, MARSHA.

    • June 10, 2016 at 2:45 am
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      Re: “Ben Solo”
      So in the books (/canon) has it been established that Kylo’s name as “Ben Solo”?

      Genuinely curious here as I haven’t seen that mentioned, but haven’t read all of the books.
      If not….why not:
      Ben Organa?
      Ben Skywalker even? ( if Leia / Han decided to pass on original family name – she only learned her true lineage, from her brother, at the end of Jedi )

  • June 9, 2016 at 9:12 pm
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    how reliable is this source??

    • June 9, 2016 at 10:19 pm
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      The source was right about a lot of things, but not necessarily all of them. And what he was wrong about mainly owed themselves to things changing at a different stage of production as opposed to bad intel.

      – Pomojema

  • June 9, 2016 at 9:33 pm
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    There is plenty of evidence supporting the claim that Luke is not Rey’s father, so that doesn’t greatly suprise me at all. I am intrigued though about the source’s advice on “watching Episode VII again carefully” as I can’t really see any see any scene on TFA, or in the movie’s official script, or in the novelization that might give any meaningful clue about Rey’s parentage. On the topic of Leia using the force, that is not a big deal either IMHO. We have already seen Leia sensing events through the force (both in the OT and in TFA). One would expect that, after 30 years or so, she would have learned to master at least a few other force skills.

  • June 9, 2016 at 9:43 pm
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    no one cares who Lando’s parents are. Or Obi-Wan. Or Han’s. Hell, Vader didn’t even HAVE a father. The “I’m your Father” scene in Empire was damn powerful and awesome but it’s put this whole tilt on the franchise that everyone is poised to guess when it may just not be important. I hope they go in a direction no one is expecting.

    • June 10, 2016 at 2:09 am
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      Just as long as that direction is good.

    • June 10, 2016 at 2:40 am
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      Re: “everyone is poised to guess when it may just not be important”
      I don’t see how it CAN’T be important. Rey was just too powerful.

      We already have established:
      1) Skywalker saga – it’s about lineage
      2) Force “being strong in (my) family”
      3) Rey’s obviously incredibly strong in The Force – adapting/learning faster than the likes of Luke w/o guidance/training

      Rey *got* it from someone – wouldn’t it not be ‘important’ who this (apparently) most powerful of Jedi spawned Rey?

      • June 10, 2016 at 7:01 pm
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        pLaGuEiS

        • June 10, 2016 at 8:32 pm
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          Whomever it is, my point primarily being that it *IS* important who are the parents. Rey didn’t happen by accident.

      • June 11, 2016 at 1:01 pm
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        I agree. If Rey was just an average padawan level student, who discovers she has force powers, she could be anyone. But they made her extremely powerful, and I believe that in itself needs further explanation.

        • June 21, 2016 at 6:26 pm
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          Well going off what I said earlier where’s the explanation for Yoda? Mace Windu? Palpatine? Obi-Wan? They were all incredibly powerful but we don’t have any familial stories behind them?

          • June 22, 2016 at 12:42 am
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            There’s a massive difference here – Yoda has been training jedi for 800 years. Mace Windu has been a part of the jedi order for a long time, as has Obi-Wan.

            Rey has discovered the Force exists literally hours earlier, yet she can perform a jedi mind trick at the third attempt, and defeat Kylo in battle. Kylo is a Skywalker, who trained under Luke.

            I don’t think it is unreasonable to ask for an explanation.

            Otherwise, where were all the Rey’s during the time of the Empire? And why was Leia so desperate to find Luke? Surely other “Rey’s” could have popped up.

            I think these questions require answers.

      • June 21, 2016 at 6:25 pm
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        If if you recall there’s never been a standard of Jedi *getting* their abilities from family members. They’ve just been individuals born with a strong attenutation to the force and taken at a young age to be trained. It wasn’t until the Rise of the Empire that we saw familial lines starting to play a part and even then it was just because one Jedi (Anakin) had kids. If we were looking at Jedi as a science, then the Skywalker line would be an outlier of the data set that clearly shows 99% of the time Jedi are just plucked randomly throughout the galaxy at young ages from a variety of planets, families, and backgrounds.

        • June 21, 2016 at 7:18 pm
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          Palpatine seemed very concerned that Anakin’s kid would be a threat. In other words, just his being born to him indicated he’d be strong in the Force.

          We don’t have strong ‘canon’ evidence of how often the Force just “shows up” vs “is passed down”. However, with the Jedi apparently not frequently pro-creating ( “attachment” & all that ) it seems that method of “sexually transmitting the Force” as an issue/concern was mitigated by their policies/ways.

          Put this another way – if all of the Jedi were instead taught to pro-create as often as possible, it seems incredibly likely (from established canon) they’d be producing Force-babies.

          • June 21, 2016 at 11:13 pm
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            I’m not saying that isn’t true. Just saying that having a parent strong in the force isn’t necessary. Considering that midi-chlorians are the reason, since it all comes to biology yeah you’re exactly correct in my opinion. It’s all genetic.

          • June 21, 2016 at 11:27 pm
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            Understood & point well taken about the fact that anyone can wind up being powerful in the Force.

            Back to Rey, however, I think that something very unique/special must be going on with her to be so powerful right-off-the-back (w/o training): beating Kylo @ mind reading & in a saber fight & all that.
            If she’s not of Skywalker lineage, there’s got to be some explanation for her incredible power, eh?

  • June 9, 2016 at 10:08 pm
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    Lol…..Luke is Rey’s father. These are just misdirection stories.

    • June 10, 2016 at 12:00 am
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      Pretty soon the only Skywalker reference in these movies will be the “Skywalker Sound” at the end credits.

  • June 9, 2016 at 10:54 pm
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    So Jack is British, unless he’s spelling stuff like one to throw the scent off. And Leia is in a Coma? It’s like General Hospital. RIP Star Wars. 1977-1983

    • June 10, 2016 at 12:43 am
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      Hi, you must be new to Star Wars…

      • June 13, 2016 at 6:51 pm
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        This new stuff ain’t Star Wars, it’s an ABC tv show

        • June 13, 2016 at 10:45 pm
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          It’s as Star Wars as it ever was.

          • June 21, 2016 at 5:09 pm
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            Nah, you’re absolutely wrong

          • June 22, 2016 at 12:10 am
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            Sure…the biggest villain in the galaxy turns out to be the hero’s father and the leader of the rebels is his sister…yeah, not General Hospital like at all, lol

          • June 23, 2016 at 1:21 am
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            The Bacon-degree is logical — Princess Leia sends a message to Obi-Wan, who has been protecting Luke in the same neighborhood. If it wasn’t believable no way would Star Wars have stood so strong all this time, no way. It’s more believable to me than Han Solo just happening to fly in the same space of the universe as the Falcon within minutes of it being flown for the first time in years. What really makes TFA General Hospital, is the TV-style shot framing, the ham-handed characters meeting, the unmotivated story, the meandering dialog, the boring pace, and that stupid harlequin in Maz Kanata’s place. WTFA? And what’s with all the penis-nose and butthole aliens?

          • June 24, 2016 at 12:01 am
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            Right, but it’s logical in hindsight. It’s also still full of melodrama and soap opera reveals. Rationalize all you want, but the soapy parts of star wars are built in.

            Solo explained there were trackers on the Falcon that activated once it took off.

          • July 7, 2016 at 1:04 am
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            I missed the trackers part, so cool, but why didn’t he find it when the others stole it?

            Point taken, I hear you about the soap opera stuff, but what makes me feel like this is extra soapy (bad soapy) is because TV soaps build in the story to fill holes the actors and production create, so with this I can’t help feel they’re putting Leia in a coma because they don’t like Carrie Fischer’s work or they don’t know what to do with her. But damn! She could be this gravely smoking General Patton type or whatever, anything!, and that could be a really cool dramatic mover, but they knock her out instead so we can watch some new characters argue over her hospital bed. It’s feels like a non-starter.

          • July 7, 2016 at 2:45 am
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            I think once they stole it, they didn’t fly it. The needed to be powered on to track.

            Word of advice: don’t get too upset or excited about spoilers. We don’t know the context or the reason yet. This is why spoilers are dangerous: they fill people with false ideas and conclusions.

            There is likely a reason for what they do, so let’s wait and see before saying “non-starter”, which is something I would never think to say when watching a story that I don’t know where is leading.

  • June 9, 2016 at 11:04 pm
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    Star Wars: The Misdirection Saga

  • June 9, 2016 at 11:55 pm
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    I will walk out of the theater if Rey is not a Skywalker or Solo, so help me God.

    • June 10, 2016 at 12:43 am
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      I will, too. When the movie is over.

      • June 10, 2016 at 12:56 am
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        I swear, if they roll those fucking credits, i am going to walk out of the movie. I swear.

        • June 10, 2016 at 1:10 am
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          AND ILL THROW MY POPCORN!!! In the garbage after the credits..

        • June 10, 2016 at 1:57 am
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          What, you’re not waiting for Sam Jackson to show up when all is said and done? #notruefan

    • June 10, 2016 at 7:30 am
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      Bye then

    • June 10, 2016 at 2:31 pm
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      Best get an aisle seat.

    • June 11, 2016 at 12:59 pm
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      Rey’s probably not even a jedi. She’s just naturally awesome 🙂

  • June 9, 2016 at 11:58 pm
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    If Rey is Luke’s daughter, I think we will know it in the third movie, probably when Luke dies. And it would be the most guarded secret. Even if she is not, I don’t believe that anyone knows. Only the few who would never give this secret away

  • June 10, 2016 at 12:38 am
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    Apparently it is a coincidence that Rey, the Millennium Falcon, and Lor San Tekka (the guy with the map to Luke Skywalker) all just happened to be within a day’s travel of each other on the same planet? An outer rim planet with no intelligent life before the Battle of Jakku just happened to have all of these elements coincidently?

    Lor San Tekka was likely playing Obi-Wan Kenobi to Rey, watching over her. She’s Ben Solo’s younger sister. She had Jedi training as a youngling, but was either forced to forget through Jedi mind tricks or was just too young and traumatized to remember her time as a youngling.

    There’s too many hints to believe it’s all bad writing. The real question is how is it that Han Solo didn’t know about her, maybe he was already off doing the scoundrel thing and didn’t know Leia was pregnant. Hence Leia hugs Rey and not Chewie. Leia, Luke, and Lor San Tekka chose to keep Rey’s identity secret to keep her from Snoke.

    It’s a theory.

    • June 10, 2016 at 12:41 am
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      For this theory to work Han and Ben didn’t know about Ben’s little sister…which is difficult if she were a youngling. But, it does seem like Kylo Ren is sensitive to the fact that a girls is helping the BB-8 unit, almost as if he knows a female youngling trained under Luke was never tracked down.

    • June 10, 2016 at 12:48 am
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      By the way, I don’t think Rey is her real first name.

      • June 10, 2016 at 12:54 am
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        It’s most likely what she called herself, because she has a helmet that belonged to X-Wing pilot Dosmit Raeh.

        • June 10, 2016 at 2:09 pm
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          Thanks for pointing this out. I haven’t read Rey’s Survival guide. I think it’s definitely a name she chose for herself.

    • June 10, 2016 at 12:54 am
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      Impossible for her to be a Solo with the story of Bloodline. There is no reason for Han to not know about her six years before TFA or for Leia to hide her (to the point of not even thinking of her) when she doesn’t even know Ben has turned.

    • June 21, 2016 at 6:15 pm
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      Nowhere in new cannon does it state there was no intelligent life on Jakku before the Battle.

  • June 10, 2016 at 12:53 am
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    Sounds good to me.

  • June 10, 2016 at 12:57 am
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    According to the Bloodline novel (which of course is canon) we know that Ben solo was still training with Luke. The novel takes place 6 years before TFA when Ben is 23 years old which makes him about 29 in TFA. We know Rey is 19 in TFA (ten year age gap between her and Kylo) which means shes about thirteen during the events of Bloodline. A lot of people are under the assumption that Luke is Rey’s father and abandoned her after Ben went rogue. Now that we know Ben didn’t turn to the dark side and supposedly destroy Luke’s jedi school until at least at the age of 23 that would mean Luke abandoned Rey as a child( maybe about 5 yrs old or so according to her “force vision”?) This makes absolutely no sense and not like Luke at all for him to abandon his child on a barren desert planet in the hands of Unkar Plutt. I think the simplest answer is probably the right one, Luke is not Rey’s father. Just my two cents.

    • June 10, 2016 at 1:58 am
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      I disagree. Luke may have not known he was Rey’s father. Many things could have happened in the past not written in bloodline. She could have been ‘force-shielded’ from him somehow. Or, if he wasn’t aware of her or looking for her, the wouldn’t have felt her in the force. Anyway, we’ll all find out VIII. We’re all just speculating based on spurious rumors. IMHO, it’s just misdirection.

      • June 10, 2016 at 2:22 am
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        But you’d have to wonder, it was established in the OT that Luke and Leia can “sense” each other through the force, surely he should be able to sense his own daughter’s existence, regardless of whether he knew he had a child or not.

        • June 10, 2016 at 3:16 am
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          See my post above. Darth Vader didn’t sense Luke and Leia for 20 years! He didn’t know about Luke until after ANH and Leia until ROTJ! anything is possible. As I said, we’re just all speculating based on rumors 1.5 years before 8 comes out.

          • June 11, 2016 at 1:41 am
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            The canon rules are changing. Just watch “Rebels” where Inquisitors can track down Jedi through the Force like bloodhounds from one side of the galaxy to the other.

      • June 10, 2016 at 4:54 am
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        Which of the two is more likely? His or yours?

        • June 10, 2016 at 5:33 am
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          I prefer mine, but we won’t know until 8 comes out. It doesn’t matter if the story is good.

          • June 10, 2016 at 3:25 pm
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            I understand you prefer yours, but the more likely of the two is his.

            And yes, we will know when 8 comes out.

  • June 10, 2016 at 1:06 am
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    Well if this is true..then I guess I can mentally prepare myself to accept that she’s not Lukes kid so that I won’t be looking forward to something that ultimately won’t happen during the movie, this would save me the disappointment..which would lead to anger..Leading up to hate..to then lead to suffering..and me storming Disney then Lucasfilm HQ with a squad of storm troopers..

  • June 10, 2016 at 1:14 am
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    If there is any truth to what Jack is saying, I wonder what he means by “watch Episode VII again and pay attention”? lol

    • June 10, 2016 at 7:29 am
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      Pay attention to who really shares similar personality traits and abilities to Luke and then ignore your racism.

      • June 10, 2016 at 7:39 am
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        Uhm….what? racism?

      • June 10, 2016 at 10:35 am
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        I don’t know what your race is, but I dislike the way you are labeling people as racist, whatever race you are.

      • June 11, 2016 at 11:11 pm
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        Only racists label others as racist, real non racists don’t care what race people are.

  • June 10, 2016 at 1:23 am
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    I bet someone over at Hasbro knows who Rey’s parents are lol

    • June 11, 2016 at 6:07 am
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      But not their wives —> that´s an asking divorce accepted reason in many countries

  • June 10, 2016 at 2:21 am
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    Remember, DV (anakin) didn’t know Luke and Leia were his kids until after ANH. for decades he didn’t know. Something similar may have happened to Luke–in a different way, of course.

    • June 11, 2016 at 1:39 am
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      I’ve always suspected this. It would be a nice touch and a way to keep Anakin/Vader’s legacy going without casting Hayden C.

  • June 10, 2016 at 3:39 am
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    Maybe Rey is Snoke’s daughter. He and Kylo seem to know of a girl and are very interested in a girl when they are informed that a girl is helping the droid escape.

    • June 11, 2016 at 10:21 pm
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      A girl is no one.

    • June 11, 2016 at 11:01 pm
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      A girl is no one

  • June 10, 2016 at 4:33 am
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    She’s nobody’s daughter. Another immaculate conception like Jesus, Ooops…I mean Anakin.

    • June 10, 2016 at 5:16 am
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      Jesus/Anakin…errr…”Jesu-kin”….mmm…”An-us”…no, no, wait, forget that last one!

    • June 11, 2016 at 6:00 am
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      Yeah, Darth Maul was the holy Spirit 😀

  • June 10, 2016 at 4:36 am
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    What if Snoke is Luke Jedi mind tricking them into bringing Kylo to him to kill him off? Kylo say he has never met Snoke except through a hologram etc and was so called turned that way?

  • June 10, 2016 at 5:04 am
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    Meh!
    I still think Luke is Rey’s father. I personally think they will do something similar to Vader unavailing to luke. The words where added post filming and even david prowse and mark didnt know when doing the original scene.
    With such speculation around it, this just adds to it and in all honestly I think it still will be luke and it will be an extra scene or so added late in tight secrecy, the script will change at the last moment.

    • June 10, 2016 at 1:04 pm
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      I think so too. Not saying anything about relations doesn’t mean anything after ESB Luke has a father, and RotJ he then has a sister. Not saying whether she is or is not in the first movie mean anything, and certainly not a case that she isn’t because they didn’t break it in the what? 20 seconds Luke was in Ep 7 with NO lines.

      • June 10, 2016 at 3:53 pm
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        Yep! That is one thing people keep forgetting. Kathleen stated the core movies will always be about the “skywalkers”. Disney is a powerhouse and they know they won’t get longevity from Hamill and fisher, it’s the passing of the torch.
        If disney want to keep it running they need youth in the Skywalker lineage. The Eu was all about the Skywalker bloodline so why would the movies be any different.
        As much as I like the idea of rey being a reincarnation and be happy if they did it, we need to remember they are creating these movies for the general public and having the reincarnation would be to complicated for the general public.

        • June 12, 2016 at 6:46 am
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          One thing that interests me is how Pablo hidalgo consistently seems to correct people who call kylo ren “Ben solo” that his name is just Ben. I think Kylo might be called Ben skywalker if he is ever redeemed. Yes he is Hans kid, but leia kept her name organa and might have named him after her true heritage to honor it. I think kylo gets redeemed and he is our young skywalker. That would be quite interesting in terms of having a hero who’s hands are pretty dirty despite becoming a “good guy”

          • June 21, 2016 at 9:05 pm
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            Maybe he just doesn’t want to go by Solo

  • June 10, 2016 at 5:51 am
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    GIVE ME THIS!!!

    • June 11, 2016 at 3:31 pm
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      He knew Anakin was Darth Vader, Yoda spoke to him in episode 3 and mentioned his new sith name

      • June 21, 2016 at 9:19 am
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        I think he meant Obi-Wan discovers Darth Vader is still alive.

  • June 10, 2016 at 6:18 am
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    Kylo Ren is Rey’s brother. Sons of Leia Skywalker [!] and Han Solo.
    cherry picked from EU. Look how Leia hugs Rey, at first time in TFA

    • June 10, 2016 at 11:31 pm
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      Nope.

  • June 10, 2016 at 6:19 am
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    brothers

  • June 10, 2016 at 7:40 am
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    All of you are so dull. You think Rey is his kid because she’s strong in the force but Finn is force sensitive and had his awakening not 10 minutes into the freakin film when the blood was smeared onto his helmet. He was the awakening! Rey didnt awaken until Kylo interrogated her and Finn will become a Jedi in later installments. Finn is the Luke of this series. Everything that happened in TFA happened because of HIS actions and the plot was centered around HIM. He shares similar characteristic traits to Luke and abilities. They parallel eachother. Finn parallels Anakin. What is everyone’s problem?! You know this is a race thing, because Rey was conceptualized as a BLACK woman. If anything Rey is Han if he were a Jedi. The character of Finn was conceptualized as a blonde with blue eyes and back when they where auditioning people wouldn’t shut up about him being Skywalker…until Boyega was cast. Really? He is Luke freakin reincarnate. He’s the lead of this trilogy and he’s not going anywhere so get used to him.

    • June 10, 2016 at 7:56 am
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      You say Finn parallels anakin, but Rey parallels anakin in literally every way. She is a disenfranchised force sensitive living on a desert planet, a skilled pilot -and mechanic. She is called to by anakins lightsaber to wield it. Finn is a runaway stormtrooper who learns to face his fears and shows no signs of force sensitivity. So in what way is he Luke reincarnate? I mean I ADORE John boyega as Finn, I just don’t see how his story parallels Luke or anakins very much. That’s not racism, that’s just the plot of the movie.

      • June 11, 2016 at 1:38 am
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        Thank you, it’s about time someone said it.

    • June 10, 2016 at 10:40 am
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      Firstly, Luke is still alive, so Finn can’t be “Luke freakin reincarnate”.
      Second, if Finn is the “Luke” of the trilogy, why is Maz so interested in Rey and not Finn, and why does Luke’s lightsaber call to Rey and not Finn?

      I’m not saying your arguments are right or wrong – I’m just saying there is no indisputable evidence that can be applied to back up your theory. The reason there are so many theories out there is that the movie threw up several options for things, it left a lot of things open

    • June 11, 2016 at 7:28 pm
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      Finn can’t be the Luke of this trilogy, not unless the Luke of this trilogy accomplishes pretty much nothing for himself and is constantly sidelined by old farts and insta-Jedi scavengers, and then spends the climax of the film passed out. Rey, similarly, isn’t Han – she’s not skeptical of anything, she’s not the sardonic, older, more world-weary big sibling to the trio, and she’s no kind of charming rogue. Poe is, at this point kinda lamely and desperately, the closest to being pushed into the Han role.

  • June 10, 2016 at 10:10 am
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    She’s definitely Kylo’s sister. Her connection with Han and the Falcon also suggest common lineage. Also, Han gives her a few looks that suggest he may sense or know that she is his.

    • June 10, 2016 at 2:02 pm
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      It is abundantly clear in Bloodline that Kylo was an only child. To make Rey a Solo doesn’t make sense when you look at canon sources outside of the films. I think Leia and Han knew who she was, but I seriously doubt she’s their daughter.

    • June 10, 2016 at 5:06 pm
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      What Hard Case said. Bloodlines also stressed that Han always took young struggling youths under his wing often and gave them jobs aboard his ship.

  • June 10, 2016 at 12:47 pm
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    Rey is Anakins reincarnation via virginbirth. Whenever the Force is out of balance it spawns a chosen one. When there were 10.000 Jedi vs 2 Sith the Force sent Anakin who somewhat balanced it out. Now why do I think that theroy is right:

    1.) Luke is a decoy who should make you believe that he is the father of Rey to give us the big mid trilogy plot twist. Similar to Darth Vaders true identity they want a really big revelation. Luke being Rey’s father would probably be no big suprise for most viewers.
    2.) Rey has a lot in common with Anakin. She is a good pilot, mechanic and extremely strong with the force since she has learned all these things in her previous life(s). I addition to that she looks really similar to Shmi Skywalker, which you would expect from a female Anakin reincarnation
    3.) Anakins Lightsaber seems to share a special bond with her because she created it in her previous life. This includes the flashback scene since in which she remembers/forsees things that have to of her previous life(s).
    4.) “The force Awakens” literally means that the living force awakens to even out the dark and the light side once again by spawning a chosen one.
    5.) Kylo knows that Anakins job of bringing balance to the force has not been finished yet (I will finished what you started). When he mindprobes Rey he gets an idea of who she really is (this is why he looks so confused) and wants to train her afterwards to help the reincarnation of his granfather to finish the job.
    6.) In the very first Trailer Maz Kanata said “if you live long enough you see the same eyes in diffrent people” indicating that reincarnation is a thing in Star Wars (eyes = soul)
    7.) Jakku is Jakku and not Tattoine for a reason. Luke knows who Rey is and hid her on Jakku because he knew the potential danger of a chosen one. Since living on a remote desert planet kept him away from the force for a really long time he decided to hide her on a desert planet as well. However she would have discovered traces of her former life on Tattoine so he decided to leave her on Jakku instead.

    • June 10, 2016 at 1:58 pm
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      Luke trains new jedi. Amongt them a man an a woman. They fell in love. You can’t do that ( jedi stuff ). Luke cast away the guy. He gets angry. You know what happens when force yielders do that : Dark things. He fights luke. Luke beats him badly. The guy fells off a cliff and opens his skull…but survives. Now he wants revenge against luke. Using the force he reunites a dismantled imperial forces and decides to seduce the son of Luke best friends Leia and Han.
      In the meantime, Luke discovers that the padawan woman is pregnant. He can’t cast her away. The woman gives birth to a girl very strong with the force. Now Luke learns about his old apprentice SNOKE and his deeds. He decides to hide his girl REY from him. ( like obi wan did with him )
      Now Rey is back and luke is gonna train her to fight her own father. ( Reboot logic )

      • June 10, 2016 at 2:57 pm
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        Snoke has been around long before Luke was even born (as Andy Serkis stated in an interview). So I doubt that Snoke is her dad, even though I like the potential drama of your theory 🙂

        • June 10, 2016 at 3:57 pm
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          Well yes, as a force yielder not a jedi or a sith. So the guy could well be on board to be trained at last when the opportunity occurred or learned how to actually trained people ( maybe he had bad intentions all along ). AND old guy can fall in love, bob. Even have child. 🙂

  • June 10, 2016 at 6:17 pm
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    Why is Leia getting so few screentime – again? I don’t like this at all. Hopefully Luke will be in the movie big time!

    • June 11, 2016 at 12:10 am
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      Because there are already a lot of characters and that it’s for the best to focus on the new ones. Yes, Luke will have a big part this time.

    • June 21, 2016 at 6:08 pm
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      Well aside from wanting to further the story of the new characters, I think part of the honest truth is that Carrie’s acting chops just aren’t what they used to be. She’s been out of the game for too long and it SHOWED in TFA. She really pulled me out of it whenever she was speaking.

      • June 21, 2016 at 6:22 pm
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        Yeah, she was only 40% there. She had a couple moments but was real clunky with the exposition dialogue – which also may had been the dialogue but she didn’t help.

  • June 10, 2016 at 6:46 pm
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    Meh. VIII already looks to be more exciting visually than VII but Rogue One is far more interesting to me even if it’s another prequel.

  • June 11, 2016 at 1:19 am
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    Anything short of her being Luke’s daughter will be just another major disappointment.

  • June 11, 2016 at 6:25 am
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    Fact number 1. Jedi and Sith are kind of religions, religions always do weird things as sacrificies. Sith dissapeared, but remained in the shadows, just like jedis during the Empire.

    Darth Plagueis created a dark side monster, but he was 8 and so cute that jedis could not resist to try making him a jedi… as we know since he entered in contact with siths the jedi order was finished. The OT redimed him, but only until the PT made him to belong to sith (again).

    So the new jedi council meeting: Luke Skywalker, Yoda (ghost) and Obi Wan Kenobi (Ghost), accepting the mistake, they decided to fix it and balance as a sacrifice what Jedis unbalanced first, taking with them the monster creation of the Sith.

    That sacrifice to the force is Rey, a force sensitive little girl.
    Left on a desert planet to be a slave scavenger, completing Anakin story/fate, interrumpted by jedis will.

    And they lived happily ever after.

  • June 11, 2016 at 11:14 am
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    So I watched star wars again and I have a theory about Rey’s parents.She’s not Hans daughter nor is she Lukes daughter. I feel like Disney doesn’t want to do the whole “I Am Your Father” thing again with Luke. It’s to close in repeating ESB and they got hate for TFA being to close to ANH.

    My theory is Anakin had a father who conceived another son later in his life. This new Skywalker family tree is were Rey would belong to. One of the things I thought of was what if Lukes uncle or a family member was Lor San Tekka or even Snoke. This would be a really cool idea and bring new anthology to Star Wars.

    I’m going with this theory because I always thought Anakin should have had a Father, I didn’t like the fact he was some kind of Jesus made by the Force. Star Wars is a Soap Opera and the Skywalkers are a family with problems. This would be a huge shock and would be as big as the “I am your Father” moment.

    Going back to Anakin and his father, one thing they could do to explain him leaving is bring in the Jedi code and not being allowed to have children. He has no choice but to leave Tatoonie and place new memories in Shmi.

    Jump forward, Luke being so strong with the force he finds out about the other Skywalker family tree and goes looking. With that much meditation he finds the first Jedi Temple and Rey.

    This will be Disney’s way to start a connected universe (almost like Marvel) going back and connecting the dots. Disney would go back and tell the story of Anakin’s father and his journey …. maybe something along the lines with the knights of the old Republic.

    That’s my theory let me know what you think but all in all we’ll have to wait and see what happens next year!

    • June 11, 2016 at 12:21 pm
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      Your theory is as possible as she being a Kenobi by some way.
      They have to make the way to this happen.

      I am not sure, but I think I read Pablo Hidalgo that Darth Plagueis created Anakin.
      I think the Sith and the Dark Side are not deeply explained in the movies as the light part and Jedis are. So that could be an oportunity for writers to surprise us.

      I am agree, Star Wars is a soap opera, and I don´t see either an “I am your father” moment.

      • June 11, 2016 at 6:19 pm
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        As much as I like the theory, I can’t see her being a Kenobi because of merchandising and kathleen kennedy saying these movies are about the Skywalkers. Sometimes you have to ask yourself what would sell more and have more brand recognition Rey Skywalker or Rey Kenobi?

        I do hope they explore and go deeper into the religion of the Force and the difference between light and dark.

        They never say Darth Plagueis is Anakins father just that he can create life. Having said that Darth Plagueis could be a Skywalker and when he fell to the Dark Side he was reborn as Darth Plagueis.

        • June 11, 2016 at 7:21 pm
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          So Plagueis was a Skywalker, fell to the dark side, had a son…who fell to the darkside, who had a son who almost fell to the darkside, and who also had a grandson who fell to the darkside? That’s not really working for me at all. Just sterilize the lot of them in that case.

          • June 12, 2016 at 7:59 am
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            Agree!

        • June 11, 2016 at 7:35 pm
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          Never the father but created him in some way, probably Darth Plagueis was not even human.
          But that I think is not in any book, comic or whatever, as I know…

          If you have seen the PT, Anakin has no father.

          About Merchandising, consider that if they are doing 2 or 3 movies with Ewan Macgregor as Obi Wan in the time of the Empire, Rey Kenobi would add even more interest and merchandising to it.

          Rey Kenobi sounds better than Rey Skywalker, indeed.

          • June 12, 2016 at 12:40 am
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            How can Rey be Obi Wan’s kid? Obi Wan died 33 years before the events of TFA. So Rey would have to be minimum 34 years old. Thats assuming old Ben was screwing around just prior to meeting Luke. And maybe the whole reason he split Tatooine wasn’t to get R2 back to the Rebellion but to get away from a paternity test.

            Clearly Rey’s younger than 34. Think, people! Think!

          • June 12, 2016 at 7:58 am
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            Yes, hehehe, of course I know that.
            I didn´t say Obi Wan is the father.
            @BadCartridge was worried about merchandising, if they finnally are going to film some Kenobi movies, Rey being a Kenobi (obviously it is difficult to be his daughter) would be good for that too.

            Kylo Ren is grandson of Darth Vader, why Obi Wan cannot have a grandaughter?

    • June 11, 2016 at 7:18 pm
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      “I always thought Anakin should have had a Father, I didn’t like the fact he was some kind of Jesus made by the Force.”
      .
      SW is informed by mythology at every step though, and Virgin/miraculous/mysterious births are a staple of mythology across the globe, and across virtually every culture, since the dawn of civilization. Christianity appropriating that from older religions doesn’t make Anakin ‘space Jesus’, it makes him conform to the mythic cycle that Campbell identified and which Lucas was interested in exploring in the original films. Changing that seems to misunderstand the drive behind the whole saga which was to take classical mythology and present it in a more modern setting that kids could identify with.

      • June 12, 2016 at 12:22 am
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        Well said, Pants.

    • June 21, 2016 at 6:45 am
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      It will never be something that requires anything close to that much explanation. That’s just incompatible with how fast the Star Wars movies zip along. They’re not going to crash to a halt while a character explains to us a convoluted family history.

    • June 21, 2016 at 8:26 am
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      “…place new memories in Shmi…”
      Yeah, that’s super messed up and creepy. I would rather take the eye-rolling virgin birth (which is impressive that even six-year-old me rolled his eyes at this part) than that.
      And as others have said, that would require too much explanation.

      • June 21, 2016 at 10:11 am
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        His father might not even have to put new memories in Shmi. In our world women get pregnant from one-night stands they can’t remember … Just don’t think that ‘theory’ would fit a Disney movie 😉

    • June 22, 2016 at 4:35 am
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      Why would you think they WOULDN’T want to repeat things? Most of TFA was a repeat of the OT anyway.

      • June 22, 2016 at 9:31 pm
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        By most do you mean 4 minutes ? Because yea that’s the amount of mirroring there was. Which equals about how much there is in every single Star Wars movie unless you forgot that. And it actually served a very important thematic purpose

  • June 12, 2016 at 2:36 pm
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    What if……
    Luke hasn’t been hermitting alone, and actually has his offspring hidden and in training alongside him.
    Waiting for the awakening of another, strong enough to come together and carry on the Jedi

    Or (don’t be eating your lunch when you read this)

    The force has played a magical tinder game and has awoken the force inside the one to carry on the Skywalker lineage, making Rey Lukes future baby momma dun dun duh

    *comments are based on heavy painkillers(prescribed) and a misfiring sense of humour

  • June 21, 2016 at 8:17 am
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    I’m not seeing the reason why it’s been debunked?

    • June 21, 2016 at 8:22 am
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      Really? Their source admitted to making the rumor up.

      • June 21, 2016 at 10:18 am
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        I’m not seeing the right page, I guess. Cause on the page I’m reading there is nothing about their source… I just see Skywalker twins rumor, and beware of spoilers stuff.

        That’s why I’m asking. Thanks for the summary though.

        • June 21, 2016 at 10:21 am
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          Are you on mobile? It takes a little longer for old articles to refresh on mobile devices.

          • June 21, 2016 at 10:24 am
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            Yeah I am right now. I see the debunked! Title on the main page but when I click the link it takes me to the old rumor twins page. Maybe it’ll be updated for me tomorrow.

          • June 21, 2016 at 10:45 am
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            Yes, not tomorrow but after a few hours. Unfortunately that’s an issue that is too difficult to be resolved by the company who is looking after our mobile version.

  • June 21, 2016 at 10:05 am
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    Whenever I read ‘spoils’ I take them with a large amount of salt and always consider them to be nothing more than rumours.

    I don’t think Luke is Rey’s father. Basically because another “I am your father” would be too much and turn it into a joke. Luke’s relationship to Rey has to be more complex. The only thing I hope to see is Ben Skywalker (after being turned back to the light) ignite Anakin’s blue lightsaber and take on a padawan in Episode 9.

  • June 21, 2016 at 12:25 pm
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    What a strange person.

  • June 21, 2016 at 1:33 pm
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    I didn’t believe an anonymous source anyway. What I did believe was what Kathleen Kennedy said more than a year ago that the three trilogies were about the Skywalker family. It is plausible that Leia could have used the force. She had plenty of time between RotJ and tFA to learn something from Luke, but I doubt that too. Giving her incomplete training in the Force could cause her to fall to the dark side, may not have had the time to learn, or no interest.

    • June 21, 2016 at 2:47 pm
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      Kathleen Kennedy also said “The main thing is to protect these characters…make sure they continue to live in the way that you created them”. Then she turned all the old cast into losers that achieved nothing, killed Han Solo like a doge and literally excluded Luke from the movie

      • June 21, 2016 at 8:31 pm
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        Yep I don’t like how nothing was achieved. Would of made more sense to use the RW as inspiration and have the First Order as some fringe terrorist group rising like IS.

  • June 21, 2016 at 1:48 pm
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    Part of me wants to see Rey use the force to discern that Luke is her father right from the beginning of episode 8, so we just get it out of the way. Then through the course of the movie as they fight side by side against the antagonist of this episode, Luke looks over at her and in a sheepish voice says:
    “Rey, I’m not your father.”
    “Noooooooooooo! That’s impossssible!”
    Then in despair she flings herself down a giant tube or cuts her own arm off or something really dramatic. Man, I wish they would have let me direct this episode…but alas……

  • June 21, 2016 at 1:56 pm
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    Translation:

    SW FANS: We’re looking at balls! Let’s turn it around!

    SWNN: We got one wrong, and we do apologize.

    • June 21, 2016 at 2:19 pm
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      Is that an insult?

      • June 21, 2016 at 8:45 pm
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        Nope. Just having fun. 😛

  • June 21, 2016 at 2:21 pm
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    Way to check those sources!

  • June 21, 2016 at 2:40 pm
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    Rey don’t need no man. She’s a strong independant feminist from the 3rd wave. But she’s ahead of everyone, she also doesn’t need no parents, 100% self-sufficient from day 1 of her existence. They won’t bring back the midichlorians because Disney corporate people banned anything related to the prequels in fear of losing moviegoers. They’ll invent a new concept, she’s made of pure Force or something. At least Anakin had a mother, but Rey doesn’t, she was born from a cactus in the middle of the desert.

    • June 21, 2016 at 3:32 pm
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      3rd wave?….. I didn’t even know there was a first?

      • June 21, 2016 at 7:28 pm
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        Yeah, 1st wave is the suffragettes, 2nd wave is the sexual revolution of the 60s. 3rd wave is white privileged women hellbent on destroying patriarchy.

  • June 21, 2016 at 3:19 pm
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    Hehehe
    It would be funny that the movie finnally would be like this, and the guy just was lucky supposing/misleading/cheating…
    :))

    Or we could guess if he is part of the First Order contra-intelligence :O

  • June 21, 2016 at 3:31 pm
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    DAMN It…. I had $50 ridding on this one.

  • June 21, 2016 at 3:51 pm
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    I will never understand how people get off on doing stuff like this.

  • June 21, 2016 at 4:21 pm
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    personally hoping that she will be Luke’s kid…though he doesn’t know he has a kid.

  • June 21, 2016 at 5:13 pm
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    What if Lucasfilm have leaned on him and made him announce that all is BS. What reason would he have to come out and admit it was all a lie? Hundreds of these “leaks” have happened over the years, did any of them come out and sound so apologetic? No because they couldnt care less…

  • June 21, 2016 at 5:16 pm
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    I wish someone would also come out and officially deny the “force tree” rumors . If the “force tree” story proves to be true, it will be the biggest blow to Stae Wars since the prequels.

  • June 21, 2016 at 5:35 pm
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    I’m sort of ‘Done’ with Spoilers and leaks for this one now, looking forward to the surprise of it all.

  • June 21, 2016 at 5:35 pm
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    Ok here is the thing and Im saying this now as I have since TFA came out… Rey is NOT Luke’s daughter… again he is looking at the lightsaber with a tear in his eye and knowing now that he is being drawn back into something that he hoped was long since resolved or faded away. She was to old to NOT know that Luke was her dad… and 2 she is the ONE to bring balance… Why else would she be able to do all she did so quickly… I have a feeling she has something about her past that will make her a reason why she has all this power such as a descendant of Palpatine or something (no evidence of this just trying to piece things together). But I feel that she is the one…

    Unless, however, they were taking an easy way out and these movies are nothing more then easy paint by numbers scripts because they know these will make tons of money either way so they will be playing safe… I hope this isnt the case and that JJ had some idea of how the trilogy would play out and was planting the seeds now…. but who knows…

    • June 22, 2016 at 5:35 am
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      The star wars saga is about the Skywalker family. It’s been stated many times. Ben doesn’t count….he’s a ‘solo’. That means Luke has to sire someone so the family lineage can continue. If not, then it stops being about the Skywalker family. Luke is rey’s father.

      • June 22, 2016 at 5:56 am
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        Good point and I totally agree about the movies being about Skywalker’s lineage… however this would still be about Luke bringing balance to the force just because a Skywalker isn’t the main Jedi doesn’t mean that the story doesn’t involve his lineage… him training the One is still important…and I could be wrong but I don’t think I am about Rey… it’s fun to debate though

        • June 22, 2016 at 6:42 pm
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          No problem, Jason. I will be disappointed if Rey isn’t his daughter. However, if the story is good it won’t matter either way.

  • June 21, 2016 at 6:29 pm
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    Just riffing….what if Luke is the Skywalker of the trilogy and an heir doesn’t become apparent until the end of IX, Rey is a pretrained jediling of import that was taught and helped to “bury her feelings and past” only to have the knowledge awaken in the last episode and Luke helping her unlock her own secrets going forward.

    Or

    Luke has an offspring that has been in hiding alongside him all along, Rey is a half sibling from the same mother

    • June 22, 2016 at 5:53 am
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      This is a theory i’ve developped from pieces of other theories. It answers a lot of questions.
      Luke trains new jedi ( as said in TFA ). Amongt them a man an a woman. They fell in love. You can’t do that ( jedi stuff ). Luke cast away the guy. He gets angry. You know what happens when force yielders do that : Dark things. He fights luke. Luke beats him badly. The guy fells off a cliff and opens his skull…but survives. Now he wants revenge against luke. Using the force he reunites a dismantled imperial forces and decides to seduce the son of Luke best friends Leia and Han.
      In the meantime, Luke discovers that the padawan woman is pregnant. He can’t cast her away. The woman gives birth to a girl very strong with the force. Now Luke learns about his old apprentice SNOKE and his deeds. He decides to hide his girl REY from him. ( like obi wan did with him )
      Now Rey is back and luke is gonna train her to fight her own father. ( Reboot logic )

  • June 21, 2016 at 7:19 pm
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    based on the fact that we know that they recorded dialogue between luke and rey on ahch-to, i’m fairly certain that luke would have been revealed to be her father.. but for some reason, abrams decided to cut it. not sure if that was the smartest move- at this point, REGARDLESS of what they do with her lineage, so many people will whine and ruin the fun for the rest of us who just want to enjoy the film. SIGH. star wars fans.

  • June 21, 2016 at 11:57 pm
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    Well, That’s a relief.

  • June 22, 2016 at 4:33 am
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    Wasn’t buying from the get-go. But I think Kristen Harloff might have as he said he’s softened his stance on Luke being Rey’s father. Congrats fake poster.

  • June 22, 2016 at 8:23 am
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    Well, this certainly wasn’t as entertaining or stupid as “the Force comes from tree pollen” leak.

    One of the most entertaining things about The Force Awakens was realizing while watching the movie just how wrong all the so-called leaks and fan theories were.

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