Lucasfilm Story Group Reveals Secrets About The Last Jedi

 

The Lucasfilm Story Group sat down with Andi Gutierrez from The Star Wars Show to discuss the secrets of The Last Jedi. The 27 minute video has the group discussing fun and interesting anecdotes, explanations, and Easter Eggs found within the recent chapter in the Star Wars saga.

 

 

Lucasfilm Story Group members Leland Chee, Pablo Hidalgo, Matt Martin, and Rayne Roberts joined Gutierrez in breaking down a lot of the fun secrets of The Last Jedi. 

 

 

Here is a list of some of the more interesting bits from the interview:

 

 

ITEMS AND ACCESSORIES

 

The compass Luke has from Battlefront II was created using a sketch by Dave Filoni, which was then 3D printed in one day, in time to make it to Rian Johnson’s production to be added as a continuity enriching Easter Egg on Ahch-To. Leland Chee says that compass may or may not be how Luke found Ahch-To.

This process is a dream come true for Star Wars fans obsessed with detail and continuity, as Rayne Roberts goes on to mention that they employ this 3D printing blueprint technology to recreate any weapon, item, or accessory from the galaxy to their exact specifications as needed.

The Millennium Falcon dice were used by J. J. Abrams in a scene for The Force Awakens, but he wound up not including it in the film. Rian Johnson decided to utilize the dice as a symbol to help subtly preserve Han Solo’s presence while at face value being a tribute to A New Hope.

I personally find the inclusion of the dice extremely important but sad, because when Luke and Leia reunite and he hands her the dice, it’s the closest we will every get to the big three from the original trilogy being together again. That scene meant a lot to me for that reason.

Gutierrez asked the Story Group if we might see the dice again, clearly talking about the upcoming Solo movie, and Matt Martin jokingly played coy with a “wink, wink”.

 

 

 

HIDDEN GEMS AND REFERENCES

 

The lightspeed/hyperspace tracking used by The First Order to keep finding The Resistance was referenced in Rogue One, as Jyn was going through the Empire project archives on Scarif, we find out The Empire had been working on this back before the Battle of Yavin. Yet more evidence of The First Order using archives from The Empire in their quest to rule the galaxy!

 

 

 

When Finn is looking through the binoculars at the fathiers racing from the balcony at the Canto Bight casino, the screen displays the name of that specific fathier in aurebesh, which translates to “Hoth Stuff”, named by Pablo Hidalgo and chosen by Rian Johnson over a few other options.

 

 

 

DJ’s name was initially just a working title name for the character but wound up sticking, and the phrase it represents “Don’t Join” is on his hat in aurebesh. Matt Martin mentioned it was inspired by an Elvis Costello poster, really encapsulating DJ with that punk rock “belong and answer to nobody” attitude.

 

 

 

PORGS!

 

Porgs were created to help explain the natural presence of puffins, the birds that inhabit the island of Skellig Michael on which they filmed. Instead of trying to digitally remove birds from the shots, why not establish a new character? As we all know this wound up being a great decision, as porgs became quite the phenomenon. Here are the actual birds called puffins that inhabit the island:

 

 

The Story Group confirmed that porgs are identified by gender by their coloring, indicating the more colorful ones are male. Pablo confirms that the porg with Chewie is a male and when asked if it had a name yet, he said not yet. But if you have been following me or Ash Crossan on Twitter, or listening to our site’s podcast The Resistance Broadcast, you’ll know we’ve been really pushing to have this porg named Gary in tribute to Carrie Fisher and her French Bulldog Gary! We can only hope it happens.

 

The porg to be named later (hopefully Gary)

 

 

 

NOD TO FAN FILMS

 

The “ship” that comes down that ends up just being an iron is a reference and tribute to the first ever Star Wars fan film called “Hardware Wars” which had household items looking like vehicles and objects in Star Wars. I had initially thought this was a reference to Raiders of the Lost Ark in which the villain cornering Marion in the tent had what appeared to be a torture weapon of some sort that wound up just being a coat hanger.

 

 

HOLDO THE HERO

 

Matt Martin mentioned his surprise when he saw the final cut of the film, when Rian Johnson completely cut out any music or audio during the “Holdo Hero” moment, when she blasts the Raddus through the Supremacy at lightspeed. This is without a doubt one of those scenes that people will remember seeing in the theater, as the only thing any of us heard were gasps from the audience. Hidalgo proceeded to explain that the scene works due to the size of the Raddus. Had Holdo been in an X-Wing for example, it wouldn’t have been able to slice through and afflict the damage to a ship of the Supremacy’s size like the Raddus did, so the ship’s size in that moment was essential.

 

 

 

REY AND KYLO REN’S “THE GODFATHER” METAPHOR

 

Perhaps the most weighted topic discussed was the Rey and Kylo Ren connection. Hidalgo explains Rian Johnson employed simple old-school film techniques, relying on eye-level as much as anything to convey the two were able to see each other during those exchanges through The Force.

 

“It feels like there is definitely a door open between the two of them in The Force Awakens…and that is more poignant at the end (of The Last Jedi) when that door closes, it’s “The Godfather” shot of the door closing between Michael and Kay, it’s the Millennium Falcon door that separates the two.” – Pablo Hidalgo

 

The scene from “The Godfather” occurs at the end of the film when Michael Corleone becomes Don Corleone, and the door literally but quite metaphorically shuts between him and Kay, forever destroying what they once had.

 

 

 

 

It is very interesting that Hidalgo compares the door closing between Rey and Kylo to this scene, effectively saying Rey has ultimately shut the door that was open between them.

 

 

LEIA

 

The group confirmed Leia realized Luke was not really there once he touched her hand, evident by the look she gives, indicating she was feeling and noticing something different from what everyone else in the room was experiencing.

 

 

The Leia hologram that Artoo projects to try and convince Luke to rejoin the fight was from the original dailies from Star Wars. This scene was the reason Rian Johnson asked J. J. Abrams to change the ending of The Force Awakens, to have Artoo accompany Rey to Ahch-To instead of    BB-8, which was Abrams’ original plan.  

 

 

SOURCE: The Star Wars Show – The interview covers more bits (like Mark Hamill voiced the little drunk gambling creature that stuffed the coins into BB-8!) from the film and you can watch the entire video here:

 

 

 

 

You can find me on Twitter @JohnnyHoey and we’ll be talking about this on The Resistance Broadcast on Monday @RBatSWNN!

 

“For my ally is The Force, and a powerful ally it is.”

 

 

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274 thoughts on “Lucasfilm Story Group Reveals Secrets About The Last Jedi

  • January 11, 2018 at 4:02 am
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    Regardless of whether you liked the film, which I very much did, the amount of extreme care put into this film is obvious. No other franchise cares this much easter eggs and continuity while also maintaining the innocence of the original films. Praise to the story group!

    • January 11, 2018 at 4:16 am
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      OMG — why can’t I like this comment times a million?!?!?!?!?!?

      • January 11, 2018 at 4:42 am
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        methamphetamines are making your clickin’ finger shaky, I’ll wager is the problem.

          • January 12, 2018 at 2:00 pm
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            Hahahahaha aww dude, it’s been years since I’ve seen that clip. SO friggin’ hilarious! & I forgot Nell Carter was in it. Great stuff!

        • January 12, 2018 at 2:01 pm
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          Yes. It’s exactly as depicted by Chevy Chase in the clip below, posted by the incomparable Jimsy 😉

      • January 11, 2018 at 4:00 pm
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        Thank the maker!

  • January 11, 2018 at 4:15 am
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    God I love you guys so much!!! Star Wars is stronger than ever!! Disney is killin’ it! Peace and tranquility to all my brothers and sisters. All hail the mouse! Bob Iger for intergalactic president! It comforts me so much to know that while I’m sleeping, you’re all sleeping too. (I don’t know what that means, but there… I said it anyway…lololol)

    Hugs and kisses everywhere! Praise Mickey Hallelujah!!!!!!!!

    • January 11, 2018 at 5:21 am
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      How much have you had to drink? 😉

      • January 11, 2018 at 5:26 am
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        The Mouse is pure!
        The Mouse is true!
        Be just like Luke…
        And drink the Green goo!!

    • January 11, 2018 at 6:30 am
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      I just threw up in my mouth a little after reading what you posted….lol

      • January 11, 2018 at 7:09 am
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        You’ve puked your first bile droplets into a larger world my brother…

        Glory glory Barf-elujah!!!!!!!!

    • January 11, 2018 at 6:40 am
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      You’re high.

      • January 11, 2018 at 7:05 am
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        No…. you don’t understand — I’ve repented. I’m one of you now! I am of the body. All is glorious. All is love. Kevin George from the legal department set me straight and I’m different now. This is the new Jim. In the last two days I’ve watched “The Last Jedi” 66 times (sounds like a physical impossibility — I know — but they’re having screenings at CERN) and now I’ve seen the light!!! How could I have been so wrong!?!? Forgive me brothers and sisters. We shall dance on the graves of the haterzzz with our bellies full of their blood.

        If you can’t love the Force, you better learn to force the Love….

  • January 11, 2018 at 5:04 am
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    In the Costello poster, that’s a Sterling 9mm SMG he’s got, just with the folding stock extended…better known here as the base gun the ANH and ESB E-11s were built out of (the jedi guns were made out of airsoft replicas) 🙂
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    So Leia, once she couldn’t feel her brother or the dice had just “handed” to her, was able to deduce he wasn’t there. Brilliant, see, now THAT’S why she’s a leader. Seriously, was the look she gave him in doubt with anybody? That was blatantly obvious in the film.
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    The dice ARE important. So important, that rumor is they are one of the very few things we focus on in the Solo teaser trailer that’s coming up.

  • January 11, 2018 at 5:42 am
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    Bought-and-sold

  • January 11, 2018 at 5:48 am
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    Way too many sloppy holes in The Last Jedi. While I liked half the movie, the worst part was the idiotic theory the First Order could not blow up Leia’s Resistant ship was because it’s deflector shield was still up. AN ENTIRE STAR FLEET CAN’T BLOW UP ONE SHIP?? It was embarrassing. Star Wars films are not carefully put together. Way to many band-aid patch jobs without thinking things through. In Episode 9, there will be no more ships blowing up because they will all have deflector shields and reserve battery packs from K-mart.

    • January 11, 2018 at 6:39 am
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      It’s weird. Because they explain why the deflector shields are preventing the ship from being blown up in the film.

      Real simple dialogue, too.

      Did you miss it? Apparently you did.

      I want you to take a moment and think real hard about where I think the only sloppy hole actually is in relation to you, and your post.

      Just. Think about it.

      • January 11, 2018 at 1:25 pm
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        ill post the response up

      • January 11, 2018 at 1:25 pm
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        ill post the response up

      • January 20, 2018 at 3:12 pm
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        Just. Think about it. In the next film a Porg is going to kill Kylo Ren in what is sure to become your all-time favorite movie! So excited for you!!

        • January 21, 2018 at 8:14 am
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          Didn’t like the movie. Attacks someone else who didn’t like the movie but made arguments that are intuitive and logical which obviously offend someone who is cognitively impaired such as yourself.

          Predictable.

          • January 23, 2018 at 4:28 pm
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            Attacks?? LOL… As painful as it was, I read your arguments what an idiot. LOL.

            Predictable.

          • January 23, 2018 at 6:57 pm
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            another comment that makes no sense. Predictable.

    • January 11, 2018 at 6:40 am
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      Slopfest from Start to Finish. I’m still shaking my head at how BAD TLJ was.

      • January 11, 2018 at 6:42 am
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        You’ve repeated this sentiment about a million times already.

        Do you..are you capable of original thought and constructive conversation and discussion?

        Or do you just pound your face straight into your keyboard until you hit the shortcut for the drivel you just brought into the world through sheer stupidity and violence to be posted?

        • January 11, 2018 at 6:52 am
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          I’m replying to people that have good commentary here. Yes. I like to participate.

          • January 11, 2018 at 2:24 pm
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            You participate, but you don’t often contribute. There’s an enormous difference.

          • January 11, 2018 at 3:23 pm
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            And by that he means people who repeat what he likes to hear.

          • January 15, 2018 at 4:51 pm
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            I don’t think you’d know what good commentary was if it tackled you to the ground, sat on your face, laid an egg in your mouth, then forced you swallow it before later gestating inside your chest before exploding out of it with a Top Hat, sparklers, and a big bright smile saying “I AM GOOD COMMENTARY.”

            I only say this based on the ceaseless evidence you’ve given me to make the judgment, ie all the comments where you say TRASH :SKLDJF:SIKLJHDF:KLSJHDF:LKSJDF:LKSJDF:KLSJHDF:KLSJDFKLSDJF;.

            That’s a verbatim quote, btw.

        • January 11, 2018 at 7:05 am
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          Ha ha ha !

          Welcome back American_Ignorant!

          Hope you’ll stick around.

        • January 11, 2018 at 11:44 am
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          SLAY 🙂

    • January 11, 2018 at 9:51 am
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      “Star Wars films are not carefully put together.”

      You need to lose that avatar pic.

      • January 20, 2018 at 4:05 pm
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        First two films had integrity, well thought out stories until Lucas drove all creative minds away that made Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back two of the greatest movies ever. Once Lucas hired all his “yes” men for ROTJ, he decided to pull out of his ass that Leia was actually Lukes sister! Lucas had obviously forgotten they both made out kissing in Empire. Pretty disgusting since it now meant the scene was incestual. The avatar is Boba Fett. You should probably watch these films if you’re going to be commenting on here.

    • January 11, 2018 at 7:00 am
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      It’s not scientific. So it’s meaningless, like all online polling.

      • January 11, 2018 at 7:12 am
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        Its a huge sample pool — and the larger the sample pool gets, the more accurate the result is. So it actually gets more and more accurate by the day. #Science

        • January 11, 2018 at 7:20 am
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          Wrong. If you want any accuracy in polling opinion you need to do it scientifically. Absolutely nothing scientific about online polling.

        • January 11, 2018 at 7:41 am
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          It is large but not random.

          • January 11, 2018 at 7:47 am
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            Considering anyone can vote with a FB profile, I would say it’s pretty random and reflective of fan sentiment that I see across all social media.

          • January 11, 2018 at 3:23 pm
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            Random is not scientific haha.

          • January 11, 2018 at 4:27 pm
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            Algorithmic probability
            Chaos theory
            Cryptography
            Game theory
            Information theory
            Pattern recognition
            Probability theory
            Quantum mechanics
            Statistical mechanics
            Statistics

            Tell us again that random is not scientific.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:37 pm
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            A list of mathematical and scientific fields is not an argument.

            Random data can be useful.

            But RT is not random, and certainly it is not scientific.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:55 pm
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            That’s bovine egesta and you know it.

            I signed up for RT for the first time as did countless others from this forum to make my voice / our voices heard.

            Tell me I’m not real.
            Tell them they’re not real.

          • January 11, 2018 at 8:19 pm
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            It’s self-selected. Anyone with an FB account *can* vote on RT, but only a certain type of movie-goer even pays attention to sites like RT, and only a certain type within that group will bother to rate a movie. (I know I’ve never done it.)

            I’m not saying the RT audience score is not representative; I’m saying we don’t know because it’s not a scientific poll. I see the negativity online as well, but I haven’t spoken to anyone in person who didn’t like TLJ. But that’s not scientific, either.

            FWIW, the RT critic rating doesn’t really tell us much about how good critics think a movie is. It only tells us how widely it was praised. In other words, 90% of critics may have just thought one film was okay, whereas 86% of critics thought another movie was the best movie of the decade, but the RT score would show the first movie as “better.”

          • January 11, 2018 at 8:19 pm
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            It’s self-selected. Anyone with an FB account *can* vote on RT, but only a certain type of movie-goer even pays attention to sites like RT, and only a certain type within that group will bother to rate a movie. (I know I’ve never done it.)

            I’m not saying the RT audience score is not representative; I’m saying we don’t know because it’s not a scientific poll. I see the negativity online as well, but I haven’t spoken to anyone in person who didn’t like TLJ. But that’s not scientific, either.

            FWIW, the RT critic rating doesn’t really tell us much about how good critics think a movie is. It only tells us how widely it was praised. In other words, 90% of critics may have just thought one film was okay, whereas 86% of critics thought another movie was the best movie of the decade, but the RT score would show the first movie as “better.”

        • January 11, 2018 at 5:45 pm
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          The big problem with online polls, particularly in something like this which seems to have lots of people wound up, is that the vast majority of people who went to see it and enjoyed it (or not) won’t feel compelled to go and write a review on RT whereas the obsessive fans who get their knickers in a twist will feel obliged to post about it everywhere they can.

          • January 12, 2018 at 12:42 am
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            Yes, but I think it’s fair to say those fans with the aforementioned twisted knickers come from both the “IT WAS THE BEST MOVIES EVERZ!!!!” and “RUIN JOHNSON TOUCHED ME ON THE STAR WAR!!!!! SLAY!!!!!” camps. The idiots cancel each other out.

        • January 11, 2018 at 6:31 pm
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          RT is not a sample pool. Or rather it’s only a sample pool comprised of RT registrants, an unknown percentage of which registered only to vote on a single film, potentially with the aim of negatively influencing the result.

          It’s bad data that would be either be rejected or at best properly quantified and qualified as having little scientific value, in peer reviewed analysis.

          #confirmationbias

  • January 11, 2018 at 6:39 am
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    Did you ship it?

  • January 11, 2018 at 6:39 am
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    Did you ship it?

    • January 11, 2018 at 6:45 am
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      I did. You?

      • January 11, 2018 at 6:49 am
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        Kinda. But I did like how the film was pretty unpredictable. And that was one of the ways I thought it could go.

        • January 11, 2018 at 6:53 am
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          Yea same. I don’t think what they’re saying here rules anything out. Maybe they’re trying to throw everyone off trail for IX. We’ll see

  • January 11, 2018 at 6:40 am
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    I watched this Star Wars Show clip and all I could think was, “fan film”. I think that’s my biggest problem with Last Jedi… it just FEELS like a fan film, or fan fiction – and not a ‘real’ Star Wars story. These guys put so much time and effort into little details – but they left huge holes in the overall plot. I don’t think I’m ever going to be ‘talked into’ liking this movie. If you have to explain so much – and try to convince people so hard – you’ve obviously made a poor story.

    • January 11, 2018 at 7:21 am
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      Amen. If you have to see a film 7 times and read 3 novels in order to “like this film”, then obviously something is supremely wrong.

      • January 11, 2018 at 9:50 am
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        And yet you like TFA, which is infinitely more guilty of that crap.

      • January 11, 2018 at 3:22 pm
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        But I didn’t…so you are making things up.

    • January 11, 2018 at 3:22 pm
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      Name one plot hole.

    • January 11, 2018 at 6:55 pm
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      ‘Talked into liking’ – I don’t think that’s what the dynamic is though. The trouble is, saying ‘they’re just defending’ is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you get enough people who didn’t like something and then want to vent about it or get a response to their critique, what are we expecting if not people’s explanations as to why they liked it or it didn’t bother them. The question is, if I enjoyed it, and feel my reasons are valid and stand up to the criticisms I’ve read, why do I need to be convinced not to like it?

      I mean, (theoretical 1980 TESB internet moment) I could come on and say ‘Darth Vader being Luke’s father’ makes no sense and ruins Luke for me if it goes that way… and I would probably get loads of people explaining why it’s way more interesting and cool and part of Lucas’ vision – I could then say ‘I won’t be talked into liking the choice.’ Right/Wrong, it’s a matter of artistic taste really. So many of the things in TLJ people hated others loved – it’s not that some people are dumb or others intelligent, it’s just a film that makes very subjective choices in its tone and storytelling (humour, plotting, message). They work for some, not for others. Even the plot holes, as many have pointed out, are all technically ‘addressed’ in the narrative – but to some the way they are addressed doesn’t make sense to them or they feel it needed more explanation (ironic).

      It goes both ways and it’s more toxic than healthy most of the time. I’m all for a discussion of the film, and I totally respect anyone’s opinion to love/hate aspects of it, but I don’t think one side is trying to retcon reasons for liking the film any more than the other is trying to retcon reasons for disliking it.

      It’s just funny that we have a film here that is successful in terms of box office and critical reception, but truly divisive for audiences due to the massive heartfelt connection and investment many people have about ‘what makes a good Star Wars movie.’ That would be about the best honest review at this point.

  • January 11, 2018 at 6:48 am
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    I didn’t like the film as a Star Wars movie. But it was a well done film. Arguing otherwise makes you look pretty stupid. Sorry to my friends here who didn’t like it. But it’s true.

    You can not like the film. You can hate it. I respect that. Except if you’re one of the people who whined and cried about getting something new and different and received just that. And now bitch how it isn’t Star Wars enough.

    Yeah, look at my posting history. I called that like a million times over the last two years. Real shocker.

    But to claim the film was poorly done is again, really dumb. Like calling it dumb seven times in the same post while folding your arms across your chest and then talking about wind mills and F-52’s dumb.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpoUN_A12Eg

    If you have the balls as one of the repeat hate posters who have beaten their one note opinion to the point of absurdity, I dare you to watch this Youtube video I’ve included here.

    The look I imagine on your faces when you’re schooled by an intelligent *woman* makes this liberal, SJW, Star Wars fan smile.

    A lot.

    • January 11, 2018 at 10:15 am
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      My friend… you’re posting a vid of a little girl sitting on her bed with stuffed animals.

      Lemme put on my serious hat and suggest with the best of intentions that you course-correct your way into the grown-up realm of YouTube.

      • January 11, 2018 at 7:58 pm
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        I agree with most of what @american_ignorant:disqus said, but that’s just a funny a comment!

        • January 11, 2018 at 8:23 pm
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          I appreciate that, yet as silly as I can be, I’m not attempting humor in this particular case. There’s something not right with this girl. And the idea of grown men being into this is even weirder. An autistic teenybopper with stuffed animals babbling about Star Wars in her bedroom like a webcam model is something that gets big ups from this forum?

          In the age of Hollywood normalizing pedos, people need to wake the fuck up. My fiance dug deeper and showed me that her channel has an ASMR vid with My Little Pony dolls, which we both agree is off the charts on the creep factor.

          What the hell am I missing here?

          • January 12, 2018 at 12:27 am
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            She made a video a few months ago about how she would hate doing ASMR because a lot of people were asking her to. It’s a pretty funny video and she talks about how weird ASMR is.

          • January 12, 2018 at 12:36 am
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            I’ll take your word for it.

      • January 11, 2018 at 9:05 pm
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        According to IMDB she was born in 1991, making her 26. She’s not dressed provocatively, she’s not being objectified. She’s sitting on a bed in a non-sexual way. She’s clearly a geek, but from what I gather she’s highly intelligent, if overly sarcastic.

        She seems to be respected enough within the industry as she’s invited to attend movie premiers.

        I don’t follow her myself, but I don’t agree with the issue you’re raising here.

        • January 11, 2018 at 9:08 pm
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          I researched it more too, and you are absolutely right about that. And it’s true that there’s nothing overtly criminal going on here, but the pervy subtext is arguably still there (masked under the guise of virtue-signaling) and I’m okay with calling it out.

          I don’t wanna make this my crusade of the day — my gf is slightly more weirded out by this girl than I am, so I really don’t think we’re off base in trying to figure out why this seems so odd..

          • January 11, 2018 at 9:33 pm
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            I really don’t see the pervy subtext myself. Granted she comes across as much younger than she actually is, both in her appearance and her maturity. But her wit is pretty sharp.

            Who’s to say whether she registers on the autistic spectrum or not, but if she does, then I say you go girl.

          • January 11, 2018 at 9:45 pm
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            Did even more research — I knew something was fishy…

            She’s literally another Disney employee. She went from playing a character at the theme park to now portraying the character of a movie pundit. She’s reading a script — there’s nothing authentic here at all. She’s worked for Andy Signore (look up his sexual allegations) and she’s buddies with Max Landis (look up his checkered past as well). Association with those two doesn’t implicate her in anything — but I do find it hypocritical. She was even thrown in the mix in the Star Wars Celebration Trivia thingy (I knew I recognized her from somewhere) and she didn’t know shit — total MK Ultra-style deer in the headlights.

            Same with a guy named John Rocha at Collider (his rise as a SJW shill in that corporation is the reason the goofus John Campea departed). Rocha (an actor as well) paid his dues playing a LARP Harry Potter character at Universal Studios until he was also promoted to portraying the role of a movie reviewer / Star Wars enthusiast / pundit. Yet… homie couldn’t name the 3 planets from “The Empire Strikes Back” in a Schmoebros trivia show. I think his nickname is now “Bespin” because of that — a smooth way to make light of the bullshit.

            It’s all so fucking fake and hysterical. They’re grooming these people to be placed in a position to tell you what to think, and not just about movies. Yes… more power to them if you’re in the game as well & appreciate the shtick, but I don’t like the Live Action Role Play stuff one bit.

          • January 11, 2018 at 10:09 pm
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            The whole industry is fake and hysterical though.

            Hell, I spent the summer of 2012 backpacking and surfing around SoCal, and as a hairy-arsed Scotsman with questionable social skills, I found the majority of people I met there fake and hysterical. Will cherish that summer, but I couldn’t live there.

            As much as I love The Last Jedi, at the end of the day, nobody tells me how to think.

          • January 11, 2018 at 10:13 pm
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            “hairy-arsed Scotsman with questionable social skills”

            You just made my day — thank you .

            I couldn’t live in California for the same reasons — trying to encourage my friends to get out.

          • January 12, 2018 at 12:29 am
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            Jenny has said multiple times she hates Rogue One…

          • January 12, 2018 at 12:38 am
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            Glad you pointed that out. I’ve noticed that Rogue One somehow became the control variable for the shills to fain objectivity.

          • January 15, 2018 at 4:55 pm
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            Wow, you’re an idiot. LOL. All that research and you failed to take into account she has her own youtube channel and she reviews and talks about films every week of the year that are not all Disney.

            And she shit all over Rogue One, to boot.

            Jimsy I didn’t know you were a Alt-Right Conspiracy theorist. It’s awesome to see you triggered by an intelligent woman to the point that you had to attempt to slander her with false allegations of sexual misconduct and being a Disney shill.

            LOLOLOL You’re a fucking idiot.

          • January 15, 2018 at 5:05 pm
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            ‪That’s great, Hannity . I especially love that you’re so passionate about responding to this 3-day old post that you waited till 9AM Monday morning — right after you punched your time-card at the shill factory. Just further proves my point — thanks.‬

          • January 17, 2018 at 2:22 am
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            What, exactly, was your point?

            A woman made sense in a Youtube video and obviously rocked your world when it comes to the criticisms you’ve laid onto a movie you don’t like which makes you immediately jump to a conspiracy theory that she’s involved in some sort of sex crime?

            You’re a weak ass little bitch Jimsy, only point proven is that one right there.

            Now run along Snowflake to your safe space.

            So weird that I’d be telling conservatives that after the decade it was leveled at me. LOL.

          • January 17, 2018 at 2:47 am
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            Please tell me more, you luscious peach, you.

          • January 17, 2018 at 2:53 am
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            Nah. I’m good. You’re a waste of space and time. Watching you being triggered into a paragraphs long rant that the woman who made you think is obviously a corporate shill and involved in sex crimes because she’s more intelligent and articulate than you are was the most awesome thing I could ever hope for in a reply.

            Your lack engagement says it all; I’m right. And you’re triggered.

            Oh, and just so you know. Yeah, I’ll respond to a punk ass like you on my own time, if at all. But I’m glad you were so infuriated by my response that you had to point out I made you wait to have your ass handed to you.

            Ignoant: 3 Jimsy: Big fat 0.

          • January 17, 2018 at 2:55 am
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            Are you John Rocha?

          • January 17, 2018 at 2:55 am
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            Are you John Rocha?

          • January 23, 2018 at 10:30 am
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            Idiot? LOL, Listen yourself LOL… Everyone ignore this turd, his only goal in life is to exceed his favorite role model Donald Trump as an even bigger insecure child.

          • January 23, 2018 at 7:02 pm
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            Yes. Idiot.

            Ignore the person who will wipe the floor with you in reasoned debate.

            For you? An excellent startegy.

          • January 23, 2018 at 10:47 pm
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            yawn…

          • January 24, 2018 at 6:09 am
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            Exactly.

          • January 24, 2018 at 6:09 am
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            Exactly.

      • January 15, 2018 at 4:49 pm
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        She’s not a little girl. She’s an adult.

        But the girl who looks younger sitting on her bed can speak more to what Rian Johnson accomplished in his film then the grown men whining incessantly about absolutely nothing.

        • January 20, 2018 at 4:33 pm
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          She’s a child like you but not dumb.

          • January 21, 2018 at 8:12 am
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            Someone must have stole the fat kid’s twinkie and school today. He seems pissed.

    • January 11, 2018 at 4:37 pm
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      Well said!

    • January 20, 2018 at 4:31 pm
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      It’s a shame elementary kids laughed so hysterically at you in high school, must have been hard. Your mom should have told you to stop bringing your Phantom Menace lunch box to school.

      • January 21, 2018 at 8:14 am
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        And you failed to address any points I made in my post and instead went to inane and uncreative insults. Did you chafe your micro penis masturbating? Hurt too much to jerk off and relieve some of that anger and frustration at being alone at your computer in a dark room day in and day out.

        Take some advice from Luke Skywalker. And Just breathe.

        • January 23, 2018 at 10:07 am
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          I did but was still able to jerk off all over your mom.

          • January 23, 2018 at 7:03 pm
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            Whatever it is you pretend your rotund stomach is at night to help you get off is none of my business.

  • January 11, 2018 at 7:44 am
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    Interesting that they used a reference to the Godfather, and specifically to the character Michael Corleone where, in the first movie, we witness his calling into the family business as the natural successor to his father. Then, by the time of the third movie in the trilogy, the now Don wishes to seek redemption and atonement for his sins, and leave behind what he once was. The themes of redemption and forgiveness, like The Godfather Part III will be re-visted in Episode IX, where we’ll see the satisfactory competition of Ben’s character arc, much like his grandfather before him, but with a happier ending for the last Skywalker.

    • January 11, 2018 at 12:19 pm
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      Sorry I really don’t get how you can think it will end well for Kylo Ren. It’s possible, even probable that he will turn back to the light. However there is absolutely no way he will be forgiven for everything he’s done. He will have to face justice whatever happens. Just as if Anakin had lived he would have had to face justice. Anakins fate was sealed the moment he turned to the dark side just as Kylo Rens fate is sealed. What kind of message would it send if he is allowed to escape punishment for his crimes? It’s ok it doesn’t matter what horrendous acts you commit, don’t worry you’ll be forgiven!?

      • January 12, 2018 at 12:06 am
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        SLAY!

    • January 11, 2018 at 9:42 am
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      IM LITERALLY DEAD!!!! LOL

      • January 11, 2018 at 9:47 am
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        Nah, if you were literally dead, we’d have like, a 57% easier time getting you to shut up about TLJ.

        • January 11, 2018 at 9:53 am
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          The Last Jedi is currently topical. And obviously I’m not the only person here who disliked it vehemately. If you have a different opinion, that’s fine. But from where I come from, we don’t “censor” others b/c we disagree with them — though it seems to be a pretty popular practice these days.

          • January 11, 2018 at 9:57 am
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            Depends on what’s said and how much someone drones on about it over and over

          • January 11, 2018 at 10:03 am
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            Last time I checked, all everyone is talking about right now is the Last Jedi. This horse (falthier?) is not even close to being dead yet.

          • January 11, 2018 at 10:03 am
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            Last time I checked, all everyone is talking about right now is the Last Jedi. This horse (falthier?) is not even close to being dead yet.

          • January 11, 2018 at 10:46 am
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            I absolutely respect your and anyone elses opinion on The Last Jedi, as we are all entitled to our own. But I believe what is being refered to is that you are all over the comment section with certain phrases as soon as an article is about TLJ. An example would be the constant “SLAY!!!” comments for every comment that has a similar opinion to you. If it’s not that, it’s a comment how stupid TLJ was, or what a shitfest it was. You are basically just repeating your opinion over and over again.
            While I respect your opinion, “SLAY!!!” and similar comments doesn’t contribute to any discussion at all, and basically has the same purpose as the like option for comments. It gets quite spammy to be honest.
            Anyhow, I dearly hope Solo or IX resonates better with you personally, as it’s clear you have a big passion for Star Wars!

          • January 11, 2018 at 11:42 am
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            Slay

          • January 11, 2018 at 2:59 pm
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            Why does nobody say Wizard anymore?

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:34 pm
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            That’s so wizard…Andy…

          • January 12, 2018 at 3:56 pm
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            Far out.

          • January 11, 2018 at 7:56 pm
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            See, there are grown-ups that like Star Wars 😉

          • January 12, 2018 at 12:05 am
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            Close. ‘SLAY!’ and ‘RUIN Johnson!!!! LoLz!!!!” doesn’t rise to the LEVEL of ‘an opinion’.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:19 pm
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            Yet you continue to beat it.

          • January 12, 2018 at 12:01 am
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            Kent, the difference (and you’ll notice I don’t roll my eyes at everyone who didn’t like the movie, and wants to talk about why) is that you add nothing to any conversation. Ever. You post the same bitching phrases over and over and over again, and are seemingly incapable of discussing WHAT you didn’t like. WHY you found something didn’t work. HOW it should have been approached instead. You want to discuss the film? Fine. I LOVE analyzing why a film did or didn’t work – it’s fascinating, particularly once you grasp the fact that NOBODY sets out to make a bad film. I would absolutely be willing to hash that conversation out with you or anyone else. Do that instead of constantly posting one or two word nonsensical horseshit.

      • January 11, 2018 at 2:14 pm
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        literally?

      • January 11, 2018 at 11:21 pm
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        My condolences.

    • January 11, 2018 at 3:20 pm
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      If you don’t think it makes sense, then you can’t watch movies.

  • January 11, 2018 at 8:17 am
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    … for now. It’s symbolic of time and place, and the current emotional headspace of Ben.

    • January 11, 2018 at 8:25 am
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      Yea I suppose, those conversations between them were some of my favorite parts. I’m hoping we get some more similar interactions between them in the next one.

      • January 11, 2018 at 11:51 am
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        Yeah, those scenes were handled exceptionally well.

    • January 11, 2018 at 4:40 pm
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      Daisy has gone on record stating how big a trekker her father is. She probably did do it on purpose, as sort of secret wink to her dear ol’ dad…Like the tapping the nose thing that Carol Burnett used to do on her comedy show to signal her mother…

      • January 11, 2018 at 6:25 pm
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        Cool! Didn’t know that.

  • January 11, 2018 at 10:29 am
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    The secrets, references and easter eggs in TLJ are so subtle and unclear that it seems there are no references. Is in John Williams music where i find more connections with PT and OT notes.

  • January 11, 2018 at 11:01 am
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    I have mixed feelings about TLJ still. But I want to focus on the positive now. Here are the 10 things I personally liked in the movie:

    10. Paige Tico bombing out the Star Destroyer.

    9. The scene when Chewie was about to eat a roasted Porg.

    8. The Praetorians — they turned out to be cooler than expected.

    7. The way Snoke was killed.

    6. The greatly expanded role of Lt. Konnix, which showcased Billie Lourd.

    5. The Holdo Maneuver.

    4. Kylo unmasked — this was a good and necessary creative decision, in order to free up Adam Driver as an actor.

    3. Actress Kelly Tran, who turned out a surprisingly good and appealing performance, despite the wide range of emotions Johnson wrote for Rose to go through (i.e. crying, swooning over Finn, being righteous over inhuman treatment of animals, etc.).

    2. Kylo and Rey teaming up against the Praetorians.

    1. Carrie Fisher, her last performance.

    • January 11, 2018 at 11:56 pm
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      Agree with most of that, but especially 4. Besides that, it was so, SO necessary to hammer home the point that Rian was taking the story somewhere different than ‘well, it’s just like the first trilogy’. One in a long line of responses to criticisms of TFA.

  • January 11, 2018 at 11:10 am
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    If only this and the previous one had completely different stories.

  • January 11, 2018 at 12:25 pm
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    I got pulled out of the movie by the same scenes on three viewings so far… am so desperate to love this film but these moments are too jarring…
    Swearing – three swear words. An unnecessary first for the franchise
    Snokes line “such SPUNK” – Why didn’t a single crew member on the UK shoot point out the appropriation of that word in England (semen) and in Australia (sexually attractive person)
    During the Kylo-Luke face-off… the way Luke holds the lightsaber, the positions of his hands, like a learner driver holding on to the steering wheel for the first time…and his stance. Awkward.
    The dice – visually different from those in the (official canon) Force Awakens Visual Dictionary
    The soap opera style three versions of the sleeping Kylo incident… two should have been description only, the third correct one shown.
    Leia Poppins obviously. The editing could have, should have, made it less lingering.
    The Pretaorian Gaurd fight scene, again poorly edited, seemed more of a ballet than a fight, an all too obvious set-piece.

    • January 11, 2018 at 3:19 pm
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      Spunk isn’t a swear word in most places, context matters.

      • January 11, 2018 at 3:35 pm
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        I’m not saying it is, the three swear words were bloody (dreadnought captain), bastard (Finn to DJ) and ass (Poe). Yes I know they very mild, and I use far worse on an hourly basis… but Star Wars had managed 8 films without going anywhere beyond the occasional ‘hell’.

        Regardless, SPUNK in two big markets means jizz, manfat, babygravy…. took me out the film.

        • January 11, 2018 at 4:15 pm
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          SW has its own like my faworite (i dont bother googling the right spelling of the words but u get the point) E CHU TA
          Bantha Podo, Sithspawn, karabast …

          • January 11, 2018 at 4:56 pm
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            Exactly!! Didn’t need to pull us back to planet Earth.

          • January 11, 2018 at 7:31 pm
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            and then there is:

            …see you in hell”

        • January 11, 2018 at 4:42 pm
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          It’s not going to get any better — don’t give ’em your money.

          You’ve hit the nail on the head as far as being pulled out of the film. Regardless of all the silly little details being argued in this forum, lack of immersion is my issue with the film as well — and one that’s impossible to ignore.

          Who wants to see a movie that keeps reminding you that it’s a movie?

        • January 11, 2018 at 5:50 pm
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          Even my 12 year old daughter giggled at that!!

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:02 pm
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            It caused a murmur of stifled/confused/shocked laughter from the UK audience at my first showing, and a very audible “seriously WTF did he just say??” from the row behind me.

        • January 11, 2018 at 6:10 pm
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          Cherry picking data.

          “Damn fool idealistic crusade”.

          “Then I’ll see you in hell!!”

          Bloody, ass and bastard are not reslly swears in North America. If it’s on the Simpsons…
          And Spunk means spunky. As in a bit tough, stubborn or spirited.

          Context.

          Or are you uncomfortable with the line “come here” As well?

          Leia in space was weird the first time. Then beautiful. Dice? No one cares. Preatorian fight? It was Great.

        • January 11, 2018 at 7:51 pm
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          I’ve lost track of the amount of times I’ve heard ‘spunk’ used in American films over the years, nobody over the age of 12 finds it funny.

          Same with ‘Fanny pack’, we know it’s how the Americans refer to what we call ‘bum bags’ you get used to not noticing 🙂

          I agree that ‘bastard’ is probably uncalled for, but then again these days it’s almost a mild word without the impact it used to have.

          The question is could the word ‘Bastard’ be replaced with something a bit more in universe like Nerf-herder? which kind of exposes a lack of creative writing.

  • January 11, 2018 at 1:27 pm
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    Ugh. I can’t believe the Lucasfilm “story group” would actually get together & discuss this colossal monstrosity Rian Johnson wrote. Ya know they hate it. Clearly they had very little to do with the plot, as evidenced by the compelling Star Wars:Rebels cartoon series. Ya know it’s bad when the worst episode of your cartoon series is better than the 300 million dollar tentpole you’ve been hyping for 2 years. Again, UGH, we need fans to write & shoot there own original Ep8 scripts, just to show Rian Johnson how easy it is to make a film worthy of carrying the Star Wars name.

    • January 11, 2018 at 3:19 pm
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      Is this a parody?

    • January 11, 2018 at 3:19 pm
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      Is this a parody?

    • January 11, 2018 at 6:08 pm
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      Easy? Ok, Lets hear your story outline.

    • January 11, 2018 at 7:28 pm
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      Looks like they liked it to me, but I can’t read their minds like you can

  • January 11, 2018 at 1:34 pm
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    They mentioned that at the distance FO weapons are ineffective against the shields of Radus:

    Yet:
    1) we see that only 4 ties are able to inflict enough damage to Radus – taking off its main bridge & Docking bay = they have no star fighter escort from that moment

    2) Rockets or whatever it was fired from Kylos wingmans can easily go through the shields – the uber big destroyer does not have a few of those ? It was called “Ventral cannons” in TFA – why it wasnt used ?

    3) The uber big destroyer does not have hundreds of starfighters which are faster than any capital ship at sublight speed (hope everyone agrees this as a fact of SW universe seen in many games and also any of the movies). Imperial ISD has 72 TIEs fighter, i counted 7 or 8 big ships and the one uber big – like 200 fighters at once should do the job even if there are 50% loss

    4) Radus is constantly bombarded but its doing nothing while FO is able to take down with one shot small maneuverable shit that are at even bigger distance from FO fleet

    5) Radus is running out of fuel but not out of energy for the shields ?

    6) If big ship kamikaze is possible – why not use the escort ships (big enough) to try a suicide mission as they were doomed anyway

    This film not only has plot holes, it has plot BLACK HOLES.

    Now even Story group is called to do the damage control. WHERE WERE THEY IN THE MOVIE PRODUCTION PROCESS ???
    Was it like, hey Ruin, do what ever u want – we then explain any shit u create.
    Story Group should be a guardian of continuity and sense of SW universe across ANY platform – not just the books, games and comix and movies can do what the want. This was an excuse to wipe out old EU – that the story group will ensure everything is consistent from now on.
    I even dont understand how the approved Starkiller base when they had any other superweapon possibility (galaxy gun type weapon).
    I was not willing to accept that as canon but was waiting for E8, now i can safely reject anything post E6 – i simply ignore that stuff, no need to see E9. Hope Ruin J. put his new trilogy in the ST era and uses Ray and other new characters so that i can completely ignore those movies and so that he dose not have a chance to FKup the OT time-period.

    • January 11, 2018 at 3:19 pm
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      “) Radus is running out of fuel but not out of energy for the shields ?”

      Your car’s battery can work but you run out of gas.

      Not a plot hole. None of these are.

      • January 11, 2018 at 3:33 pm
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        I agree with your response about the fuel & shields but what about what Ondrej said about the TIEs. They could have kept sending wave after wave of Fighters after them. Or another option would be to either jump some destroyers in front or call some in to head off the Radus. Quite a simple tactic that’s been used many times.

        • January 11, 2018 at 5:06 pm
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          The excuse in the movies were they had to call them back for distance reasons. That they couldn’t provide proper support at that range. I guess that means the FO is not willing to sacrifice fighter in that manner. Surprising given the canon fodder nature of their other units.

          The other is simply… why not jump a few destroyers ahead? That current answer I’ve been given is micro jumps are not established as canon. So I guess it’s canon small jumps can not be made now.

          It does also bother me if the support ships are doomed… why didn’t they kamikaze? The result was the same. A person died and a ship was destroyed. So why not take a Destroyer down with you?

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:36 pm
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            I guess, not jumping ahead of the other ships would have just destroyed the storyplot. In Ep IV, the Death Star could have also jumped around Yavin (as depicted in the HeShe How it should have ended), but didn’t. It would not have suited the story – and guess what: no one cared.
            The thing with the kamikaze is that you have to turn the ship around, which makes you enter the fire-range of the FO. It worked for Haldo, only because the FO was aiming at the transporters and not on the Raddus.

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:44 pm
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            I actually imagined that given the direct line in which the Death Star came out of hyper space it did in fact have the planet in the way. Which actually more lends to the whole… micro jumps are not a thing.

            I feel the second half of that is having to stretch an awful lot to make the scene work. Still I’ll grant that the Raddus was at least strong enough to take some hits to calculate/turn and make the jump where the others maybe couldn’t. So that’s fair.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:02 pm
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            Also the problem with them saying that they couldn’t support them is what kind of support did they actually need? Four TIEs had just wiped out all of the resistance fighters. The handful of capital ships left didn’t appear to have much in the way of anti fighter weapons. As for micro jumps, I maybe wrong but I thought it was canon. Wasn’t that the explanation for how the Falcon got to Bespin without lightspeed in Empire? Besides they wouldn’t necessarily have to do micro jumps. They could have sent some Destroyers a few systems away then come back in front of the Raddus.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:19 pm
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            I was just pointing out the counter arguments people used on me. I still find the whole chase… odd. I’d have put them in a nebula or something that made it impossible or difficult for the fleet to fully follow them or predict where they might go.

          • January 11, 2018 at 7:27 pm
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            No, the chase was definitely odd!

          • January 11, 2018 at 7:27 pm
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            No, the chase was definitely odd!

          • January 11, 2018 at 7:39 pm
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            I think a Nebula would have been a great idea! I don’t think there’s been one in a Star Wars movie. I know it’s been done in Star Trek but I’m sure they could have figured away to do it differently and probably better.

          • January 11, 2018 at 11:48 pm
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            It could have negated shields, and made scanners unreliable, providing a better plot mechanic for getting Finn and Rose to Canto Bight, getting Rey onto the command ship, and being part of Holdo’s plan to get the transports away. Sauce for the goose, Mr. Saavik!

          • January 11, 2018 at 7:26 pm
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            It will be interesting to see if they revisit this. Ramming tactics are not or were not, part of either fleet’s operational doctrine. Now that it’s been done, perhaps for the first time ever, naval intelligences (in the real world) will try to use/create defense strategies for it. I like the idea that now everyone is forced to evolve their tactics after seeing the results of the first light speed collision in a fleet engagement.

        • January 11, 2018 at 7:20 pm
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          Perhaps the sublight acceleration speed of the desistance capital ships is too much for the fighters to handle.

          Jumping ahead, yeah no idea why not. It was definitely a MacGuffin we weren’t supposed to look to closely at.

          • January 11, 2018 at 7:43 pm
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            I did wonder that and probably real world would be true but we had literally just seen 4 TIEs darting about the Raddus.

      • January 11, 2018 at 4:04 pm
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        My car does not have a big reactor which is providing energy to all its systems.
        Ill have to check tech docu (crossections) if i find something about fueling the capital ships as i thought that the large ships are using reactors to feed engines, not some kind of fuel which can easily go low. Smaller ships are using some sort of fuel.

        • January 11, 2018 at 5:10 pm
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          The reactor provides ENERGY for the electrical systems, but the fuel makes the engines go.

          Watch the movies. They mention refueling in TPM when they stop at Tatooine.

          In ROTS, there was a deleted scene where Anakin and Obi Wan almost drown in the fuel tanks.

          AOTC as the droid ships are taking off, Anakin says, “Aim for the fuel cells.”

          Capital ships, like all others, use fuel.

        • January 11, 2018 at 5:10 pm
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          The reactor provides ENERGY for the electrical systems, but the fuel makes the engines go.

          Watch the movies. They mention refueling in TPM when they stop at Tatooine.

          In ROTS, there was a deleted scene where Anakin and Obi Wan almost drown in the fuel tanks.

          AOTC as the droid ships are taking off, Anakin says, “Aim for the fuel cells.”

          Capital ships, like all others, use fuel.

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:12 pm
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            Tabanna gas is still canon right? I figured it was for the big ships. Not sure if it still is or not but fuel was established.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:22 pm
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            Tibanna Gas is still a thing, yes, mentioned by name in Empire.

            The best thing about stuff like this is Star Wars fans failing to watch Star Wars movies and not understanding Star Wars.

          • January 11, 2018 at 7:10 pm
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            Wasnt Tibana gas used for blasters to generate the bolt/plasma ?

          • January 12, 2018 at 3:31 pm
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            Possibly. I was just saying it is still a thing.

          • January 11, 2018 at 7:35 pm
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            @ondrejm:disqus – And the X-Wings are refuelled before the battle of Yavin, you see the ground crew removing the fuel hoses.

    • January 11, 2018 at 6:05 pm
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      You are cherry picking your data.

      Have you considered the plot “black holes” in the OT?

      They exist. They are many. And they are just as massive as any holes one could accuse the new films of having. Yet I would wager that even in the face of evidence of massive OT plot holes, you would not reject those films.

      Star Wars films are fantasy films based on a fundamental requirement of suspension of belief.

      EVERY movie ever made has logic problems. Citizen Kane, The Godfather, Rashomon…

      Nitpicking logic problems with fantasy films is like complaining that a fairy tale makes no sense; It’s missing the point.

      Star Wars films are not for the cynical.

    • January 11, 2018 at 7:15 pm
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      Now you’re cherry picking and going into hate mode. What’s wrong with some behind the scenes anecdotes? I for one was curious whether Leia was reacting to the dice or to the lack of Luke substance. After multiple viewings, I had put her reaction in the category of hints…like the lack of scuff prints.

  • January 11, 2018 at 1:36 pm
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    Cool. I liked how Luke actually said Darth Sidious and I wish we got some kind of visual reference to him and Vader. I also loved how they showed the nature of the force. I liked Lukes line “powerful light powerful darkness” The cycle of life and death on ahch-to. It was pure and showed how the Jedi are in tune with nature and their surroundings. I do hope that little porg gets a name but Gary wouldn’t fit. How about solo jk.

  • January 11, 2018 at 2:17 pm
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    One thing I am confused about…
    Snoke implies that the Force provides its own balance, with the darkness rising to meet the light (or vice versa). So, how exactly was Anakin the ‘chosen one’ by destroying the Sith??
    Doesn’t this simply mean that TLJ is ret-conning the prophecy?

    • January 11, 2018 at 3:17 pm
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      No, the Sith were a corruption of the Force and brought balance for a time when destroyed.

      Kylo’s darkness is threatening to overtake the galaxy, so the Force chooses a champion, Rey, to meet it. It’s not balance. More like, picking sides in a proxy war.

    • January 11, 2018 at 4:16 pm
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      Even more interesting is – in my opinion – that Snoke warned Kylo that someone in the light will rise, the more he rises in the dark and that he assumed that someone to be Luke.
      But why is there no opponent rising for Snoke?

      • January 11, 2018 at 4:52 pm
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        You could argue Snoke and Luke where the respective powers in the galaxy at the time. You’ll notice they both exited the stage at the same time as well. Leaving only Rey and Ren for now. Not a big fan of this concept of balance but it doesn’t ruin anything for me yet.

      • January 11, 2018 at 4:52 pm
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        You could argue Snoke and Luke where the respective powers in the galaxy at the time. You’ll notice they both exited the stage at the same time as well. Leaving only Rey and Ren for now. Not a big fan of this concept of balance but it doesn’t ruin anything for me yet.

        • January 11, 2018 at 4:53 pm
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          But Luke was already assumed to be the opponent for Kylo, as Snoke said.
          Or is it like, everyone has an opponent and Snoke has already killed his one?

          • January 11, 2018 at 4:58 pm
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            If I understood it correctly… and I may not have. The Force balanced things period. If there is a Dark side on the rise a light side user will rise as well. So… if say there were a thousand Dark, a thousand Light would rise to meet them.

            I admit I could totally be misunderstanding the concept.

    • January 14, 2018 at 8:58 am
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      Good point! Perhaps if anakin was created by plageous rather than natural birth then he is outside the rules of the forces natural self regulation and could thus destroy the sith. Either that or the force was so far out of balance that a being of pure power had to be created to even the scales, like how normally species self regulate their bodies to homeostasis but when severely out of balance something drastic happens and outside help is needed.

      • January 15, 2018 at 12:30 pm
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        If I read the book of Plagueis correctly, I understood it as the force creating Anakin in response to Plagueis’ experiments with the Medichlorians, so the creation of Anakin was already an action of bringing balance by and to the force.

  • January 11, 2018 at 2:26 pm
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    For good hopefully.

  • January 11, 2018 at 3:59 pm
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    Leia must have been a Mama Bear. Just sayin’.

  • January 11, 2018 at 4:09 pm
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    BTW now when its established that a big enough ship can take out a warship with kamikaze ‘purple hair’ maneuver the galaxy no longer needs to worry about FO. Just take any old big freighter ship, one brave pilot OR a protocol droid who is able to pull a lever and smash that FO stardestroyer.
    There should be enough civilian big ships used to carry tons of cargo between the worlds. Much more civilian ships that FO stardestroyers, which btw we dont know where actually they produce them with limited resources in compare to the Empire with endless resources from all the worlds under their control.

    • January 11, 2018 at 4:43 pm
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      That’s my complaint. It upends 40 years of desperate war. Negates the value of massive warships… I get it looked cool but the Raddus should have only severely damaged a section of Snoke’s SSD. Not cut through it and go on to destroy two other Destroyers of equal mass as itself.

      If you look at each ship and it’s mass… Destroyers are just sitting ducks for auto piloted hyperspace rams. Technically if they are that powerful any major war effort would actually produce dedicated hyperspace weapons. Just have a giant metal slug with immense mass about the size of a blockade runner. Latch a hyperdrive on it and you’ve got one heck of an anti Destroyer missile.

      I always figured you didn’t see hyperspace ramming because it was essentially a 1 to 1 trade off. Now that we see it can do insane damage to multiple targets and ships far beyond it’s own size…

      • January 11, 2018 at 4:54 pm
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        The reality is that the tiniest spec of space dust will tear through the hull of any ship moving faster than light.

        Portals are the safer way to travel.

        • January 11, 2018 at 4:55 pm
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          The excuse I had… which also would have helped explain the lack of hyperspace ramming before. Is that hyperspace was actually a form of worm hole.

          We now know that’s not the case.

          • January 11, 2018 at 4:56 pm
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            1 point for Doctor Who
            0 points for Star Wars

            😉

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:13 pm
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            It could be taking the mass effect route. That it’s creating a field around itself making it capable of faster than light without killing everyone on board and letting it survive/avoid space dust. Yet not avoid such massive things as planets and other large ships.

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:17 pm
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            Yeah, I’m fine with that. Just gimme a good story.

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:18 pm
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            Yeah well it would appear healthy debate makes us haters for not finding every aspect perfect.

            Sigh…

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:21 pm
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            Side-note: it is very suspicious that the Millennium Falcon is bigger on the inside & seemingly indestructible. Secret TARDIS? Hmmm…

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:23 pm
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            lol I sense someone wants a crossover!

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:01 pm
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            “We now know that’s not the case.” Based on what ?
            I its based only on on E8 then i can ignore it. If they dont put that stupidity into another SW movie – im fine as i dont count 7 and 8 as SW movies.
            R1 didnt they jumbed into lightspeed right in front of ISD Devastator ? I need to recheck Rebels where Hera set a ship to lightspeed through a docking bay – that caused some damage, but that could be just a shock wave.

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:06 pm
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            “Traveling through hyperspace aint like dusting crops, boy! Without preciae calculations we could fly right through a…” – insert your favorite object here –

            You guys try way too hard to hate on Disney

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:07 pm
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            I was just debating how it works is all. You’re trying too hard to label me a hater.

            I actually rather like talking about the mechanics of it all. I also loved R1 and TFA… so I didn’t have a problem with Disney. I don’t think I’d blame them anyway. Any fault should be laid at Lucasflim.

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:25 pm
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            Fair enough, but directed at Ondrej

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:00 pm
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            yes and then we see entering/exiting hyperspace with no calculations in all of the other movies/animated series – so seems its not that much complicated. Maybe it was just an excuse by Han for the long preparation for lightspeed 🙂
            Seriously if this is possible, then it would be used all the time and made capital ships pointless. Even Death Stars.
            Ship ramming that was shown before were all in sublightspeed/normal space.

            The could do the scene like:
            Purple hair turning the ship, FO shooting everything but not able to blow up the entire ship. FO tries for an evasive maneuver, but purple hair injured in a blowing up bridge manages to correct the course along and mange to ram FO USSD. Same result, more believable route.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:57 pm
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            Just because its feasible doesn’t mean it would be used all the time.

          • January 11, 2018 at 7:06 pm
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            Think we are turning in circles now.

          • January 11, 2018 at 11:39 pm
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            “yes and then we see entering/exiting hyperspace with no calculations in all of the other movies/animated series”
            Han exiting hyperspace manually in the atmosphere of SKB. Shudder.

          • January 14, 2018 at 8:52 am
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            Not if she rammed them as she was entering hyperspace. I assumed you had to reach actual light speed to create the wormhole-like conditions of hyperspace. But I guess arguing physics in Star Wars is pointless lol

        • January 11, 2018 at 5:03 pm
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          Real world physics does not apply for SW world, however there are some boundaries within the SW physics.

          • January 11, 2018 at 5:04 pm
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            Yeah… physics is the least of their problems.

      • January 11, 2018 at 5:39 pm
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        I don’t understand the complaint. Ramming ships together has always been a possibility. Someone finally does it and it “upends 40 years of desperate war”?

        Only one wing of the ship was severed by the impact point. The rest of the devestation is caused by the ship breaking up. If anything, the damage was understated. An object has infinite kinetic energy as it approaches the speed of light. The whole of the ship probably would have folded in on itself. Having it break apart was certainly better to watch.

        You’re right about hyperspace rams. In reality, there is no need for light based ship-to-ship weapons in space. Purely kinetic missiles, no warhead, with fraction-of-light speed drives would be devestating. Only shields, anti-missile defenses and high speed evasion would work as defenses.

        • January 11, 2018 at 5:53 pm
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          Well that’s my complaint. They are clearly incredible weapons and after 40 years of desperate war… no one else thought to do this? All those fleet battles they fought when a ship was going down or whatever. I mean it’s too good to pass up. Why wouldn’t you take out a major vessel like a Destroyer? That’s why I say it upends things. What’s the point of sizable fleets and vessels of massive size when something far smaller and cheaper could totally destroy you? A blockade runner is likely a steal in comparison to a Star Destroyer… even a Resurgence. One hyperspace trip through the command deck and presto… a crippled if not outright destroyed capital ship.

          I’m saying the Empire and FO’s advantages through pure might… never actually existed… if we are to believe Hyperspace ramming is that effective.

          I’m almost positive we’ll never really see the likes of this again to avoid everything I’m putting forward. It upsets too much of what Star Wars was about. WW2 styled battleships in space, hammering one another. All while tiny fighters and bombers dart in-between them.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:00 pm
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            In fact, they took out the Super Star Destroyer with just an A-Wing in Ep VI

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:05 pm
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            Right. Normal ramming was totally a thing. I have no gripe against that. Like R1’s Hammerhead Corvette. The reason why that was a desperate yet understandable move was it was often one for one. The SSD also threw down plenty before a desperate wave of attacks got through it’s defenses. Seriously it was focused on by the fleet and dozens of fighters.

            Going back again to WW2 kamikazes. Though to be fair he didn’t intend to crash into it. This is a perfect example of why hypering is different than a physical ram. One blockade runner could have saved all their lives… before they even got into firing range. Hypers right through the command deck. See why they aren’t the same?

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:05 pm
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            Right. Normal ramming was totally a thing. I have no gripe against that. Like R1’s Hammerhead Corvette. The reason why that was a desperate yet understandable move was it was often one for one. The SSD also threw down plenty before a desperate wave of attacks got through it’s defenses. Seriously it was focused on by the fleet and dozens of fighters.

            Going back again to WW2 kamikazes. Though to be fair he didn’t intend to crash into it. This is a perfect example of why hypering is different than a physical ram. One blockade runner could have saved all their lives… before they even got into firing range. Hypers right through the command deck. See why they aren’t the same?

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:12 pm
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            Nope. First they taken down one of the shield generators (which i assume we see only the last run) on the turret, then they did not managed to raise shields to bridge fast enough, then the bridge was hit. Then the executor was uncontrolled and headed towards the surface of DS2 (if he wasnt so close to it, it could survive perhaps)

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:22 pm
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            I agree that there was a chain of events, but my point is: It was a Kamikaze attack and still we are not flooded by Kamikazze attacks in the movies, shows, novels and comics.

          • January 11, 2018 at 7:05 pm
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            Actually if i remember correctly he was first hit and injured, so he just pointed his starfighter which was designed to by able to ram towards the bridge and was lucky enough to hit it. So it was a kamikaze as a last stand before certain death.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:55 pm
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            Btw, I’m totally with you. I love the idea of big capital ships in space slugging it out in close quarters like during the age of sail, like in ROTS, R1, ROTJ, Wing Commander, Star Trek Wrath of Khan, Star Blazers…despite how unrealistic it is.

    • January 11, 2018 at 5:31 pm
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      In our world, there are also Kamikaze-fighters, the japanese and also the germans did it at the end of WWII – and don’t forget 9/11. However, a war is still fought trying to reduce the own losses

      • January 11, 2018 at 6:02 pm
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        Im not pointing out the kamikaze tactic – Sato did excellently the same in Rebels. Im arguing about the use of hyperspace for it.

        • January 11, 2018 at 6:06 pm
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          Why do you make a difference there?

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:08 pm
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            One is a highly efficient unstoppable weapon that renders a massive vessel’s many defenses obsolete. Hyperspace.

            The other is a very difficult thing to pull off against the defenses of a massive ship. Kamikaze run.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:19 pm
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            The farer you’re away, the harder it gets to aim at the ship. In Haldos case it was simple, because the Supremacy was huge (60km?), but when you are out of range for a star destroyer, you might miss it. Besides the Empire had Interdictors, that would keep you from jumping to lightspeed, making that Kamikaze-weapon useless.

            On the other hand. Jumping in lightspeed through a ship is something that was never done in the movies and I don’t know if it was done in the old EU – I haven’t read all of the books. It seems like most authors did not think about this option, including Haldo, who just did it as she saw that the transporters were destroyed and needed to act. She maybe WAS the first one to do so…

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:21 pm
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            Then that definitely upends Star Wars as we know it. The entire tactics of their naval warfare should change. Which BTW is why I brought up the 40 years thing. She’s the first… after all that war? Seems like something a Clone would have thought of back during that war!

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:21 pm
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            Then that definitely upends Star Wars as we know it. The entire tactics of their naval warfare should change. Which BTW is why I brought up the 40 years thing. She’s the first… after all that war? Seems like something a Clone would have thought of back during that war!

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:25 pm
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            Because ramming capital ships as a strategy is stupid. Once the FO figured out a defense tactic, like, don’t get so fucking close, it would be useless

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:28 pm
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            Don’t get so close to what… a hyperspace calculation? Pretty sure that’s nearly an infinite distance away. The entire point to those giant ships is to press the attack and overwhelm their targets.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:44 pm
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            Don’t get so close that you can’t evade or whatever new tactic is created to defend against.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:47 pm
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            The Interdictors are the best defense I’ve seen mentioned. Though still not seen in the movies yet, I know Rebels made them canon. If that becomes a thing in major fleet engagements… than I can live with it. it gives me a reason as to why it’s not a wide spread weapon.

          • January 14, 2018 at 8:46 am
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            She also rammed them as she was entering hyperspace, so the physics might not work the same at FTL travel if they were already in hyperspace, which maybe be more like a different state of being entirely from realspace.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:32 pm
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            Maybe it changes war: maybe the FO will make heavy use of Interdictors, now, maybe the FO will invest into better shields – the fleet force of the Resistance seems to be small, however, they will think twice before sacrificing a ship.
            We’ve had almost 30 years of SW fan fiction and Rian Johnson was the first to think of this tactic -> yes, it is possible that she is the first.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:36 pm
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            Maybe because I just love spaceships blasting each other… but I thought of it a thousand times. I figured SW just avoided it because it was too powerful of a weapon. Too difficult to explain why they don’t just do it all the time. Because at it’s core they want big battleships up close exchanging fire.

            I mean look to any other sci-fi and you’ll find warp jumps into enemies. It’s… an odd choice. I think they’ll find their excuses and never really do it again unless it’s something major. Keep the rule that it has to be a massive ship to be that effective. Like a snub fighter can’t hyper into a blockade runner etc. That’s their out.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:36 pm
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            Maybe because I just love spaceships blasting each other… but I thought of it a thousand times. I figured SW just avoided it because it was too powerful of a weapon. Too difficult to explain why they don’t just do it all the time. Because at it’s core they want big battleships up close exchanging fire.

            I mean look to any other sci-fi and you’ll find warp jumps into enemies. It’s… an odd choice. I think they’ll find their excuses and never really do it again unless it’s something major. Keep the rule that it has to be a massive ship to be that effective. Like a snub fighter can’t hyper into a blockade runner etc. That’s their out.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:51 pm
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            I also love spacebattles. I think it was the only way out for Rian: he wanted the FO to be superior and the Resistance to be hunted. He wanted to decimate them as far as possible (from 30 to 5/6 transporters) but then, he also needed the Resistance to reach Crait – for the story. The ship doing Hyperkazee was probably the only thing he could show how superior the FO was, how hopeless the Resistance was and tell the story of Poe, who in Holdo’s last moments assumed that she was NOT running away (as the other woman guessed), which was an important point in his story arc.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:51 pm
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            lol hyperkaze. I like it.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:23 pm
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            Sacrificing a capital ship is hardly a highly efficient combat tactic. It takes years and piles of trasure to manufacture these thing. It would have to ne a desperate situation, which this was.

            A war of attrition using capital ships wouldn’t be a suastainable strategy, especially since once a defense was created for it, it would be rendered useless.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:26 pm
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            It doesn’t matter what the size of her ship was unless we are talking in relation to the targets she destroyed. I’m not saying rebels should throw away capital ships. I’m saying a blockade runner as a trade for destroying a Star Destroyer is a good trade. That’s my whole point. It makes larger vessels pointless as they are giant targets for smaller, cheaper hyperspacing ships. To be fair this debate has gone on quite long. You maybe missed these points in other comments.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:39 pm
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            Nope I got it. But ramming wouldn’t be a viable strategy long-term since it would be too easy to negate with tactics. Kinetic missiles with hyperdrives would be.

          • January 11, 2018 at 9:17 pm
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            It would be cool if they explored how both sides adapted tactics to the first use of hyperkaze in combat…post the Raddus Incident

    • January 11, 2018 at 5:40 pm
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      Is it not possible that shields defend against this? And that snokes ship foolishly had its shields down when holdo attacked, since it assumed there was no immediate threat from the resistance?
      Maybe this kind of attack was always possible but at that moment they had their guard down and holdo took advantage of that moment.
      In any case there are all manner of ways to explain what happened, and why we’ve never seen it before. (New tech on the resistance ship? Holdo made some sort of brilliant, unorthodox re-calibration of hyperdrive and shield angles? Etc)…and none of it really matters.

      If this potential technological plot hole is a big problem, then you also have to acknowledge the dozens of other massive plot holes in all the films. Including our cherished OT.

      It’s silly to cherry pick plot holes in fantasy films.

      Either you suspend disbelief and accept it or you don’t.

      If you don’t, then perhaps you’ve grown too old or cynical for Star Wars films.

    • January 11, 2018 at 5:40 pm
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      Is it not possible that shields defend against this? And that snokes ship foolishly had its shields down when holdo attacked, since it assumed there was no immediate threat from the resistance?
      Maybe this kind of attack was always possible but at that moment they had their guard down and holdo took advantage of that moment.
      In any case there are all manner of ways to explain what happened, and why we’ve never seen it before. (New tech on the resistance ship? Holdo made some sort of brilliant, unorthodox re-calibration of hyperdrive and shield angles? Etc)…and none of it really matters.

      If this potential technological plot hole is a big problem, then you also have to acknowledge the dozens of other massive plot holes in all the films. Including our cherished OT.

      It’s silly to cherry pick plot holes in fantasy films.

      Either you suspend disbelief and accept it or you don’t.

      If you don’t, then perhaps you’ve grown too old or cynical for Star Wars films.

      • January 11, 2018 at 6:28 pm
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        What shields could withstand infinite kinetic energy?

        But yeah, this is Star Wars and its too easy to poke holes in tech logic. I think this silent, light speed ramming may be one of the more realistic things that’s been done in any of the saga entries

      • January 11, 2018 at 6:32 pm
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        That’s one argument I’m getting a little tired of. Not to sound snippy or anything. While we all do love the OT. I’m tired of people excusing bad decisions in the new movies because the old ones did them as well. Is it wrong to expect more or better from the new movies? To me the OT is more forgivable because it is older. Of course some of it wont hold up. These new movies don’t have that excuse. We’ve learned so much over the years and expecting a greater space saga than what came before isn’t unreasonable IMO.

        Just throwing that out there.

        • January 11, 2018 at 7:06 pm
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          Very well said!

        • January 11, 2018 at 7:06 pm
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          Very well said!

        • January 11, 2018 at 9:07 pm
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          Yeah well said, regardless of whether you (me, anyone) thinks TLJ delivers

        • January 11, 2018 at 11:28 pm
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          More forgivable because it’s older? Really. No, the OT stories were great stories and people loved the characters. So, all the flaws in the OT are over-looked. Age has nothing to do with it. Flash-forward to the PT and ST. The same flaws but many ‘fans’ didn’t like some of the characters or storylines. So, the flaws stood out. That’s what it comes down to. If you like the characters and stories then all the ‘cons’ are basically, ignored. If you don’t like the characters and storylines, then all the ‘cons’ are magnified to the point where you dislike the films. As for me, I’ve enjoyed ALL the SW films, flaws and all.

          • January 11, 2018 at 11:53 pm
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            I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree but I see generally what you meant.

          • January 12, 2018 at 12:03 am
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            No problem. Star Wars is all things to all people. It truly is unique.

        • January 12, 2018 at 10:25 am
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          People go to great lengths to justify horrible script/story telling, but the plot holes are big enough to drive a truck through…. The movie had serious serious flaws that are literally unforgivable.

          I had a friend who’s not even a Star Wars fan (..I know, right?) call me up after he saw the movie and ask “Didn’t the director ask anyone about these characters?” I think telling him, yeah, he did, in Kathleen Kennedy aka The Force Is Female.

          Everyday now it seems there’s some PR press release trying to explain all the flaws in this movie and it simply doesn’t explain, justify, or rectify any of the damage already done by Rian. You can back pedal and re-think decisions all you want. The movie stunk inside the SW hero mythos universe.

        • January 12, 2018 at 10:25 am
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          People go to great lengths to justify horrible script/story telling, but the plot holes are big enough to drive a truck through…. The movie had serious serious flaws that are literally unforgivable.

          I had a friend who’s not even a Star Wars fan (..I know, right?) call me up after he saw the movie and ask “Didn’t the director ask anyone about these characters?” I think telling him, yeah, he did, in Kathleen Kennedy aka The Force Is Female.

          Everyday now it seems there’s some PR press release trying to explain all the flaws in this movie and it simply doesn’t explain, justify, or rectify any of the damage already done by Rian. You can back pedal and re-think decisions all you want. The movie stunk inside the SW hero mythos universe.

          • January 12, 2018 at 5:38 pm
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            You forgot to add “In my opinion”.

          • January 16, 2018 at 3:11 pm
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            Ah, there it is. You dislike women. What a shock.

        • January 12, 2018 at 5:36 pm
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          “expecting a greater space saga than what came before isn’t unreasonable”

          The OT was lightning in a bottle.

          To expect that, and more, is ENTIRELY unreasonable.

          • January 12, 2018 at 7:01 pm
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            I don’t expect a phenomenon. I expect an amazing story told over three movies. I don’t believe any trilogy can (outside of something original) ever recapture a craze quite like Star Wars did. However… to hold the originals up to some standard of unobtainable storytelling… is silly.

      • January 14, 2018 at 8:40 am
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        I assume it was a Hail Mary play that worked more on luck than brilliant military experience. She had no other choices but run or suicide and maybe take a few enemies with her or at least distract from the fleeing rebels. If the destroyer had fired on the Raddus as the subordinates suggested before the last second then it would have failed. It can be easily thwarted if you expect it, and it probably requires perfect timing and a huge ship. Plus it could be against the Star Wars equivalent of the Geneva convention. Nuclear weapons can “easily” destroy larger tanks and cities but thankfully we don’t use them. The rebels are largely pacifists who didn’t want to intervene in Rogue One and Didn’t want to militarize at all against a rising first order until leia literally made them. Suicide freighters is unlikely to be their go-to tactic even if such a feat could be replicated

    • January 11, 2018 at 5:43 pm
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      This has always been the case, it’s just that no one has gone there until now.

      • January 11, 2018 at 5:48 pm
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        2 ships were destroyed because low fuel . Think that black captain could just turn that ship around and hypersmash FO USSD – as he was going to die anyway as we can see. So a military officer is not aware of this tactic, but a political leader which purple women is to me as she has a dress and no military experience, do know of this possibility ?

        • January 11, 2018 at 6:15 pm
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          She was an Admiral (i.e. Admiral Holdo) planning to go down with her ship and you think it’s a stretch that a kamikaze thought would enter her mind? You’re not talking sense at all.

          The other ships…sure. Any ship at any time has the option to attempt to ram. I suppose they would have to take into account how desperate the situation was to warrant suicide, the loss of crew, loss of the capital asset (ship) and any fleet logistics that would be impacted by it. And…they would have to do it before running out of feul.

          It wouldn’t be viable to adopt a kamikaze strategy when your resources are limited. But just because it hasn’t been done before on screen doesn’t mean it’s not feasible.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:23 pm
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            If Ackbar was on that ship… and yeah I know it can be hard to remember given his send off. I’d imagine the Raddus was his ship. Still she did have that rank… I doubt they gave it out for political skills.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:35 pm
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            Holdo was poorly characterized on screen. The audience shouldn’t have to read the latest Leia book to understand why this purple haired women in a cocktail dress was an admiral. She was in character with the novel. That said, they did name her an admiral on screen.

            I would have loved to see Ackbar make the hero sacrifice rather than a new character. Or even Leia.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:38 pm
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            They probably worried we might not connect with Ackbar’s alien face… they’d be wrong we love that stuff. It would have been a surprisingly epic send off for him. I may have even cried.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:58 pm
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            How would that have helped Poe’s story arc?

          • January 11, 2018 at 9:04 pm
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            They definitely would have had to teach him the leadership message some other way…or at least get him to the point where he would realistically be circumspect on Crait.

          • January 11, 2018 at 9:02 pm
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            Too right!

          • January 11, 2018 at 11:30 pm
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            Ackbar is too trustworthy – we know him, we know he’s one of the good guys. We’re SUPPOSED to distrust the character left in charge of the Resistance though, it’s central to Poe’s whole arc. It’s a good solution, but wasn’t executed perfectly.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:50 pm
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            If she is an Admiral, then she acquired the rank probably only via the bad.
            Not telling the crew whats the plan, but letting that secret pass to total unknown DJ.
            Piloting the ship by standing there until half of the remaining fleet is destroyed.

            The other ships – the situation was already desperate, i can only guess it was evacuated already to the main ship as we can see that a small ship can go anywhere (Fin&useless girl character).
            They were just moving forward until run out of gas – so only a matter of time – why not doing a kamikaze tactic then ? Loosing of assets is out of question as by the running tactics they were to loose it anyway.
            Of course it has to be done while they still have fuel, what about: We take this empty ship with this black hero captain who will sacrifice and hyper-ram snokes ship – maybe it will create a window to jump to lightspeed untracked.

            “It wouldn’t be viable to adopt a kamikaze strategy when your resources are limited.” She already doomed that ONLY capital ship with her plan so its either: ship will be destroyed OR ship will be destroyed while ramming opponent ship

            “But just because it hasn’t been done before on screen doesn’t mean it’s not feasible.”
            If its feasible, every one would do it. Every single SW space battle would look different.
            Story group should not permit such stupidity to be introduced in SW.

          • January 11, 2018 at 6:59 pm
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            She let that secret pass to DJ by telling Poe (by him finding out). Maybe that was the reason she intended not to tell everybody. – There’s also a chain of command in military and an Admiral does not have to explain everything to a Captain.

          • January 11, 2018 at 9:01 pm
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            “If she is an Admiral, then she acquired the rank probably only via the bad”

            Obviously you can’t be taken seriously.

            Also, in the real world, senior military leadership doesn’t explain anything to anyone. Go to your post and follow orders…right on.

  • January 11, 2018 at 7:39 pm
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    I thought the most interesting detail was going in to the reasoning behind the production name Space Bear, the ties to Legends of the Fall (which I loved)… and applying that logic to the reasoning for Space Horse

  • January 11, 2018 at 9:30 pm
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    What’s great about this is that it reminds us that things we may think look really pointless and not well thought out always have a purpose and a genesis in this universe. I always try to remember that when I am watching these films – especially the new ones – and thinking “well, wait… that doesn’t make sense…” – because it probably does somehow, and I just don’t know it. That’s pretty cool IMO.

    • January 11, 2018 at 9:35 pm
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      Was great to read about Leia and the Force dice. Was really windering about her reaction there…was it about the dice or the lack of feel to Luke.

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