UPDATE! Mark Hamill Reveals that he “Fundamentally Disagreed” With Rian Johnson’s Choices for Luke in The Last Jedi.
Mark Hamill has revealed in several interviews now that at first he was not happy with how his character was handled in The Force Awakens. Later, he started to show appreciation for the twist that the story had in bringing Luke in gradually, and the bigger impact that it offered on the overall plot and on the future installments. Now, in a new interview with Vanity Fair, Hamill reveals that he had a similar problem with Rian Johnson’s script for The Last Jedi. Very curious indeed.
May 25, 2017
Apart from discussing how Hamill thought Luke should have been reintroduced in The Force Awakens (which was also mentioned in yesterday’s coverage of The Last Jedi), the actor also revealed the interesting fact that he at one point honestly disagreed with Rian’s take on the story.
From Vanity Fair:
Likewise, after reading Rian Johnson’s script for The Last Jedi, Hamill said, “I at one point had to say to Rian, ‘I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you’ve made for this character. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you’ve created and do my best to realize your vision.’ ”
Hamill noted that he has the utmost respect for Johnson and The Force Awakens’s director, J.J. Abrams, and is pleased with how both films have turned out. He just wanted to be heard. To both directors, Hamill said, he delivered a version of this spiel: “I have thousands of really terrible ideas I would love to share with you, among which you might—just law of averages—find a nugget of something and go, ‘That’s not as terrible as the other 35 you just told us.’ ”
No doubt Mark Hamill has had many discussions in the past with the saga’s creator, George Lucas, about a possible direction for an older version of the farm boy-turned Jedi Knight. Perhaps these discussions have influenced the actor’s expectations for the character. Or perhaps Hamill just had his own ideas about his own character’s future. This is actually a pretty juicy nugget here as we consider that Johnson’s take on the Star Wars galaxy three decades after Return of the Jedi may indeed be vastly different from what Lucas originally intended.
Are you excited for a possibly unexpected take on the old hero? Or would you have preferred a story more closely adapted from Lucas’ original vision? It’s hard to say without knowing what that vision was exactly, but this December we’ll at least see one of those interpretations come to life.
UPDATE!
May 27, 2017
It seems that many people are taking this story way too serious. Perhaps I have to be blamed for the way I presented it. Still, if you really know Mark Hamill and the way he passionately speaks about such topics, you would know that he will always share his honest opinion on such matters, which doesn’t necessarily mean that this is the best/worst and only scenario for the story.
Here’s what he had to say on the topic:
#WaitForVIII pic.twitter.com/d9N5c2mRnC
— Mark Hamill (@HamillHimself) May 26, 2017
Founder of SWNN, MNN and The Cantina forums.
Born on April 24, 1980.
This isn’t the first time I’ve heard/read this and I’m normally not one who gets all worked up over this kind of stuff…but..man…this one has me worried. Kudos to Mark for saying he did his best to hash out Rian’s vision, but hmmm…
Same here, this sounds like Luke may go dark or Hamill simply doesn’t like the “end of the Jedi” stuff. This is probably the most interesting tidbit in all of this Vanity Fair stuff. He didn’t like JJ’s take because he essentially was not in the film but this sounds different, like something that may change Luke’s character in a more fundamental way.
Mark had different ideas for Luke in ROTJ too, remember? He wanted Luke to go dark then
Absolutely. People should go read an interview with Mark Hamill in Bantha Tracks back in 1983, He wanted Luke in RotJ to have a new a haircut with “shaved widow’s peaks and an eagle’s claw earring”. Ford wanted Solo dead. None of it happened. This is all just the normal cut and thrust of the creative process people. Nothing to see here, keep your powder dry and, until December, move along, move along…
It will be a shame if its not along the lines of : Luke is tired and broken but comes back one last time to help save the galaxy.
If they have strayed too much from that i think people will be disappointed .
Had I watched Clone Wars and the prequels first it would have been unfathomable that hero and general Obi Wan Kenobi would give up fighting the empire just to watch over a boy. However when you watch the originals it is clear how important his job is even if it is not the role you would have imagined of a decorated General and Jedi Knight.
That’s a good point.
I’m sure Disney loves this story…
Mark has always been an outspoken guy so this doesn’t surprise me but it also doesn’t mean that Rian Johnson’s story won’t be great. I thought Looper was a great film so I hope some of that carries over here.
It has been how many years since the audience has seen Luke? 30? A lot of things change in that amount of time
What I love about this potential story is Luke DID try to be the person we as fans and people in a galaxy far far away wanted him to be. He took up the mantle of Jedi and tried to train others and it ended up blowing up in his face. It is wonderfully sad and offers the potential for his own redemption by training Rey.
Good point. It will be interesting to see how Luke has dealt with this emotionally. Does he blame himself at all? Because so far it seems like everyone is leaning toward blaming the Jedi doctrine in general and not Luke’s potential training
When I think of where I was 30 years ago compared to who I am now, a lot has happened and a lot has changed.
Imagine how much Luke has been through and how that would affect who he becomes 30 years later.
Yes! I want to have a ‘Holy $hit!” moment while watching this movie. I don’t remember finding out that Vader was Luke’s father. It has just always been a fact. I want to feel that kind of surprise in a Star Wars movie. Sometime after Ep XI I desperately want to know what Lucas’ vision was for this trilogy.
Yes! I want to have a ‘Holy $hit!” moment while watching this movie. I don’t remember finding out that Vader was Luke’s father. It has just always been a fact. I want to feel that kind of surprise in a Star Wars movie. Sometime after Ep IX I desperately want to know what Lucas’ vision was for this trilogy.
Mark had different ideas for Luke in ROTJ too, remember?
Could you explain further please what they were.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FseAUKmBpeo
Thanks!!
Luke turns to the Darkside.
How does that make sense?
It doesn’t. But if you read the article, it says that Mark didn’t like what Rian did with Luke. I mean, people have been talking about a ‘big’ twist for this movie..
So why would you take the time to say something that you can’t even justify?
I don’t have to ‘justify’ it because I’m not the one making the movie.
No, you are the one putting forth a theory.
Exactly. It’s a theory. Why are you people confused by it? Lol.
We are not confused by just dropping “Luke will turn to the darkside” based on the story above his kind of weird.
I guess the issue is with you, then.
Nope I do have an issue you are the one who put forth your thoughts with no backing.
I don’t owe you anything.
Its not a theory. Theories are backed by reasons, explanations, facts, etc. You are just speculating, not theorizing. Anyway, this is a pointless rethoric discussion, and in my opinion you can speculate all you want.
Thank you. I stand corrected, speculation it is.
Okay so you are the one with the problem lol.
Sorry to hurt your feelings.
Not hurting my feelings one bit lol.
Then why are you dignifying my posts?
https://68.media.tumblr.com/20224dd776775d4a2f794dcf40294aa8/tumblr_n5a8gsrwhg1saewy4o1_500.gif
Doesn’t take much to entertain the simple-minded, I guess.
You seem to not owe us meaningful discussion of your own theory haha.
You are right, I don’t owe you clueless cretins anything.
triggered
You easily are.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
No one is confused. But you base it on nothing.
I don’t have to, it’s speculation, moron.
It’s only speculation because someone just told you that is it what is. You didn’t know what you were even doing before then. So you resort to childish namecalling?
You clearly didn’t know it was speculation, either. Troll.
I still maintain it is a theory. You are speculating a theory. I am not trolling you. I even gave you other reasons Luke might be the way he is. You ignore them. Sad!
I’ll let you have the last word, if it’ll help bolster your self-esteem.
Well there it is. Flagged and screenshot lol.
Yep. This is a fun site, with lively discussion that CAN get heated at times, but there is no place for this kind of behavior. Junior, behave yourself!
You can dish it out, but can’t take it when it is dished back.
I do not believe he lowered himself to school yard name calling.
I never said he did. Put he choose to pick a fight, nonetheless.
He was debating you but no one was fighting with you. You tried to take it to another level with name calling though.
“You can dish it out, but can’t take it when it is dished back.”
That implies that I “dished it out” which would mean I called you a name. But I did not. But you implied it. Which is what we meant.
Well you are wrong, then.
I didn’t call you a moron. I said you said a moronic thing. Hardly the same. The distinction, of course, is lost on you.
What was that ‘moronic thing’?
lol, guess you can’t keep track of your own discussions. Before, it was just the thing about Abrams and Kennedy “meddling” with zero proof that they did such a thing (just b/c she is executive producer doesn’t mean she did the thing that person was saying.)
But since then, you have said too many moronic things to keep track of. I will let you have the last word bc I need a good laugh.
Nowhere in THIS discussion did I mention Abrams or Kennedy. You are grasping at straws. GET. A. LIFE.
Snowflake seeks a ‘safe place’?
Well you are building all kind of stuff for me to screenshot and send to a mod lol.
Yeah, it’s not like you aren’t creating a hostile environment either, lol.
Smug, don’t bother. He is a Trump troll. Nothing worth arguing over. Mad about gays and women like so many insecure manbabies.
How the HELL does homosexuality and women and politics have anything to do with this? You really are lost! Lol.
Oh..well no need expending any more of energy.
At least you admit defeat with class.
If challenging your baseless statements is hostile then by all means. However if you find people questioning your reasoning to be hostile then my friend we have uncovered a deeper problem here.
But you’re making a claim that Luke goes to the Dark Side. Why would you make a claim when you don’t even know why you’re doing so? You must just walk around endlessly confused and bewildered not only by what other people say and do, but even by your own actions.
Testy, huh? It’s just a THEORY, get that through your THICK skull.
It’s not a theory. It was a simple question. Why are you so defensive? You shared a thought and I asked you where that thought came from because this is a discussion board where ideas are shared through dialogue. Your response indicated that you have no idea what you say or why you say things and that you’re easily agitated when people ask you follow up questions to things that are obviously unclear if you yourself don’t understand them.
And I’m confused?! What I stated that had you up-at-arms wasn’t a claim, but a theory. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
No, you made a statement. A statement is not a theory. A theory requires some sort of explanation. I asked for your explanation and you were unable and/or unwilling to provide any.
Okay, then. Since I made a STATEMENT, it doesn’t require an explanation, like a theory does. Happy now?
I was never unhappy. I just asked a question lol. You admitted you made a statement that didn’t make sense and you’re steadfast on your refusal to explain why you make statements that you admit make no sense. Don’t you see how I find that odd? Don’t you see how I can find your behavior odd without it making me angry?
Well, you were pretty unhappy I didn’t give you an ‘explanation’, hence your persistence that I give you one. Frankly, You need a checkup from the neck up.
Why is that? Is that a statement or a theory? lol
It’s called ADVICE.
It was just a question, bro.
Well the people making the movie don’t have to justify anything that has not been revealed lol. You are the one who said luke was going to the dark side.
I am NOT saying he will, it’s just an idea. Lol.
By people teasing a big twist are you referring to that pamphlet from Asia that no one at lucasfilm had any involvement with?
Don’t know anything about that one.
Never mind Smuggy, Star Wars nerds are anal retentive.
Of that I am immeasurably proud, kind of thing that serves you well in your career aspirations.
You sure have a ‘lot’ to be proud of, son.
There are other paths that don’t involve that which he might disagree with.
Uh.. okay.
See above. Okay.
Perhaps so. And what would be those other ‘paths’?
He could be disillusioned by the Jedi being wiped out again, he could be weary of death, he could have find something out that makes question his beliefs in the Force, etc…
So many things.
No point getting worried on the direction of Star Wars until after watching the film.
Never worry about things you can’t change, and don’t bother changing things you aren’t even worried about.
As one of my favorite songs says “I’m never gonna stop the rain by complaining”
Right.
You’re just not complaining hard enough!
If he disagreed means that it was surprising to him, that’s not necessary bad news.
This isn’t good news in my opinion. It means they are doing something radically different with Luke. My childhood hero continued his greatness in The Legends. Sounds like that may not be the case in ST. And that may just ruin the ST for me. It’s a wait and see thing I guess.
It just means his ideas were different and there is nothing in stone that his ideas are good.
Just remember one thing… he *did* become the character that you wanted him to be. He started the Jedi Academy & all that. But in real life, we change as people over time, and I think this new saga reflects that. It’s kind of cool in a way, it makes the films seem more realistic.
But what’s cool is that we’ve gone beyond that time now (where legends would have taken place). If the character of Luke challenges our expectations, it will be a good thing in the long run when we look back on this new saga.
Another thing to keep in mind is that perhaps the Legends weren’t as good as we remember. I didn’t read Zhan when I was a teenager, but I did play all the old Lucasfilm games. When I play those games now the stories are so corny. I felt the same way about Thrawn trilogy, a year before TFA I for the first time listened to the audiobooks. If those had been the story in the movies, I would have been disappointed.
At this point, the only thing that would disappoint me about Luke in 8 would be if he doesn’t wip out his green light saber to take down some baddies. But if that doesn’t happen, I’ll trust that it’s for a good reason.
One other thing that I thought about… imagine if he has his old X-wing on Achto… that would give me the chills. I’m actually wondering if maybe he got marooned on Achto & perhaps that’s why he couldn’t intervene in Episode VII.
My childhood hero didn’t turn to the darkside. That was the precise moment I knew the EU wasn’t canon, honestly. And while I still read everything, I consider that the low point of the entire saga.
I didn’t say anything about Luke turning to the darkside, what I mean is that he might just be different than what we expect. For example… when he says “it’s time for the Jedi to end” it might not mean that he’s turned his back on the light side. It could be that there were things about the Jedi order that are no longer compatible with the nature of the force. Can the Jedi order exist while people as powerful as skywalker blood wander the galaxy?
No, I know you didn’t, but he did in Legends… that’s all I was referring to.
Why Hamill’s ideas would be automatically better than Johnsons’? Remember that the way Mark would have introduced Luke in TFA (the appearance in the forest in the middle of Kylo and Rey duel) is one of the dumbest ideas ever suggested.
Let’s the director take his own risks and portrait his own chatacter.
I agree. Actors can offer input but let the directors direct, writers write, and actors act. A movie is a collaboration of thousands and each person has his or her role.
Plus, he called Johnson “a God”, so we might conclude that his disagreement is only a natural, personal, legit disagreement on an intellectual work from an intelligent person, like when ou read a novel and think: “I would have done this way”.
If Luke HAD appeared and fought at some point in TFA, i would almost guarantee you your statement would be different. I would bet you wouldn’t call that the dumbest scene in the movie. Now that we’ve seen the movie and the story is in our heads that way, it’s hard to imagine different scenarios.
Some of his ideas sound stupid, but hey…hindsight is 20/20. I personally thought his idea of Leia reaching out to him in the force and showing up to see Han die would’ve been an excellent scene.
Well, it was disappointing to see Luke for half a minute, that’s true. But I’m glad they didn’t make him fight. TFA is not Luke’s story, and his appearance would have distracted from Rey.
Nope, people would’ve been drooling over it like the Vader scene in R1.
Exactly, it would’ve been the greatest thing ever for people. OMG OMG Luke in action! It’s just “dumb” now as an after thought. Think about it…how bummed were people when MSW said Luke would be in the movie for a minute. Majority of people were in denial and bashed it to death.
“If you really think they’re gonna have Luke be in a Star Wars movie for less than a minute you must be stupid.”
-Most fans after the MSW rumor.
Lol…and now it’s, “It would’ve been really stupid to have Luke in the movie more than he was.”
He said with TFA’s decision on how to handle Luke, “I’ve never been so glad to be wrong.” I’m sure it will be similar here. This isn’t really anything to worry about. It’s just Mark talking about the creative process that goes into making ANY film. That Rian Johnson heard him, and understood him, is GREAT news. It means we have a director who knows how to communicate with their cast.
Don’t really care. So long as the movie is good and original.
Stay on target guys
No problem. I totally understand the need to do so, especially in light of some pissing contests. Keep up the great work, because I can understand just how hard it can be to be a moderator. 🙂
Is that a statement, theory, or speculation? J/K..
It’s legends now.
It was recanonized recently, excuse you.
This is a most peculiar story. I can understand why Hamill would disagree. This character made his career. That is obvious. And while he has had an amazing career in voice acting(my favorite Joker. 🙂 ), Luke will always be a part of him, much like Shatner is Krik and Nimoy was Spock. And when one considers Legends(which I loved that path, though some of the post ROTJ was really bad. Dark Empire sucked),
Plus, TFA I could see Hamill being disappointed in. Personally, I didn’t mind him not being in most of the movie, but I do think his presence could have been hinted more.
And I’d be remiss if I didn’t say one (of many) issues I had with TFA was not seeing the Jedi in full. Because, really I always loved that as a book end. However, that said, while Hamill’s words do make me a bit nervous, I do trust Rian Johnson. Some may call me naive, but having met the guy and listened to his many talks on Screenwriting, I can tell you he no doubt has some cool things planned with Luke.
Because, Luke going to seek out the First Jedi temple, that is going to be a big plot point. I mean why even include that fact in TFA? That said, my hope is that Luke is his own mentor to Rey and really showcase just how much he has learned, because 30 years have gone by. So yeah, overall, I trust Rian Johnson, but I totally get where Mark is coming from.
The movie is obviously done and Mark saw the script. We haven’t. I’m not sure how you can understand where mark is coming from regarding Luke’s character in this movie without having seen the movie or read the script.
I can understand where he is coming from having this character has made his career and him being married to the character. Thick and thin, he supported the franchise and GL. And where did I say I saw the screenplay? I suggest you read more carefully.
And if you were referring to TFA, that disappointment has been well documented as well as what he wished would have happened. And even so, I can understand why he would be. Though, personally, I didn’t mind he wasn’t in the movie much. It would have been distracting to the new cast, underdeveloped as I felt they were.
I certainly never indicated that you claimed to have seen the script. What I’m saying is simple. Mark said he fundamentally disagreed with what Rian did with Luke. Now until I see what Rian did with Luke, how can I say I understand where he’s coming from? If Luke does something in the movie that just seems completely out of character, has no justification, contradicts things we know, then I might understand where Mark is coming from. In other words, when someone expresses an opinion on X and I haven’t seen X, I have no way of knowing if I understand that opinion or not. I certainly have no issue with them voicing an opinion but without any knowledge of X, I have no way to judge whether the opinion is reasonable, justified, insightful, out of left field, etc.
I’ll admit; I was a bit irritable when I said that. So my bad. On one hand, I do agree that we do not know much about this movie. As such we do not have a maxim to which to see if Hamill’s view is valid. And even if we are to compare something to say Hamill’s comments in the 90s about how he pictured Luke, that in of itself could be shady, because unless he still agrees with those statements, then yeah; it is hard to compare Hamill’s complaints. As such, we will need to wait until the movie.
As for your point about the movie, I’ll clarify. I meant about the history of the character before the ST movies. I can sympathize with Hamill’s reluctance due to him wanting to please the fans. As this character, did make his career and perhaps he doesn’t want the character tarnished. This is all speculation on my part, but overall I can see potentially why he would voice his disagreement.
As for whether or not his concerns will hold validity, we’ll need to wait and see. 🙂
It’s all good. I can understand, and find it endearing, that Mark is so connected and protective of that character. All I was saying is that I may walk out of the theater think what they did with Luke was incredible and wondering how Mark disagreed with Rian’s choices or I may walk out thinking Rian did something with Luke that just felt wrong, in which case I’d completely understand what Mark was saying. Without seeing the movie or script though, I simply have know way of knowing.
And that is a perfectly reasonable take. And I do agree with that. Contextless information cannot be fully evaluated unless we have all the pieces. And on a side note, thank you for being so reasonable. It is so nice to see someone be polite and not a jerk towards others. This site honestly seems to crawl with them. So you have my respect. 🙂
Didn’t it say that Ach-To IS the location of the first Jedi Temple in the Vanity Fair article? or did i misread that part. If that’s the case, then he has found it and has been there for a bit. So i mean, the searching for first jedi temple part won’t be in the movie (unless forceback). So Luke going to seek out the first Jedi Temple most likely won’t be a big plot point in that aspect, obviously more of a “what he has learned from this temple”. I’m not sure if that’s what you meant or if you meant the journey itself would be a big plot point.
Regardless, i still have some concern if he was that concerned with Luke’s direction.
The revelation of what he found at the First Jedi temple will no doubt be a focus of the movie in terms of Luke’s character. Unless there is a sequence filmed of Luke arriving Ach-too before TFA, I doubt we’ll see him locate the temple(that would make for an excellent comic or book, though). But what Luke found about the First Jedi Temple and their history, I’ll be curious to see how that affects the story for the movie.
This is all speculation, but I hope it is like Legend of Korra Second Season, where the history and lore expansion tie into the main plot. Thus, making it not only an amazing standalone story but really adds a lot of depth to the franchise.
Okay, yeah i figured that’s what you meant. Sure, it definitely will be a major aspect of this movie. I’m curious how it plays out as well.
These next two films need to be drenched with Luke while Hamill’s still physically active. TFA was already a colossal missed opportunity. Not interested in the ‘impact’ of a sparingly used Luke. At all.
I think the main reason why we had so little Luke was because the “old characters” would have been stealing the show from the new characters. I think they “forced” the audience to befriend Finn and Rey first before reintroducing Han Solo, an already beloved an well known character who doesn’t require much of an exposition. Another reason for keeping Luke hidden for so long was for him to serve as a cliffhanger which seems to have worked quite well.
Yep it was not a happy little accident that cliffhanger worked so well.
I wonder what Luke’s first words will be after all these years of solitude. Maybe something like this: “People look at me like I’m a little strange, when I go around talking to squirrels and rabbits and stuff. That’s ok. Thaaaat’s just ok.”
Lol he was the best.
IF the old characters can “steal the spotlight” from the newbies, that shows the newbies ARENT READY for it.
Okay so you expect a completely new character in a movie the audience is watching for the first time ever to beat a character who had his first appearence more than 40 years ago in a number of iconic movies you have probably seen dozens if not hundreds of times by now? Yeah seems reasonable. That’s like comparing someone you’ve just met to your best friend whom you’ve known for years only to come to the conclusion that the new guy just ISN’T READY for it.
When reading through your comments I am sensing a pretty hostile attitude towards anything new Lucasfilm comes up with while simultaneously judging them for copying too much from the OT. I am working as a 3D artist so I am to some degree familiar with the creative process behind digital mediums such as movies and games. I frequently browse through message boards on websites that deal with digital entertainment to stay informed about trends and so on. On every message board there’s this one guy who’s constantly complaining without offering any usable solution to the alleged problems.
So please enlighten me how would you have introduced new characters to the franchise? What would they have looked like? What would their roles have been in your movie? How would you have tied “old” and “new” together? Write a profile of your maincharacter or give us a rough layout of your storyline. Let’s see how well you take it when someone destroys your ideas without giving a sh*t about how much work and heart you’ve been putting into it.
I don’t know what you do for a living but I can say with almost 100% certainty that you are not working in the entertainment industry. Otherwise you critizism wouldn’t be so vacuous and your expectations wouldn’t be so ridiculously high.
Eh I would rather the new characters take the stage for 90% of the time in 9. It is their trilogy after all. I think after Mark’s extensive role in 8 the torch will officially be passed.
This is why they must go on and not listen to the fans. My major worry about TFA was to have a movie “drenched” with old characters that would have stolen the show to the new ones. It didn’t happen, and I’m glad because, as a fan, I don’t want this new trilogy to be a ceremony about how good the old movies were. TFA was partially this, it’s true, but it did introduce some very good new stuff, and I hope they continue in that way. I want these new characters to grow up, and the old ones to slowly exit from the range. It’s the only way to not waste the ST the same way they wasted Rogue One.
Face it. Mark Hamill is too old to last past the trilogy. I’m not interested in seeing an old man taking up most of the movie time. Hell it was cringe-worthy just watching Harrison ford running for his life in TFA. I was so worried that his heart will give up any moment. It’s time for the new generation to shine and inspire. Luke had his trilogy already. Don’t be greedy.
One only has to browse through Mark Hamill’s Twitter feed to see that he’s not always someone who has the best ideas. Rian Johnson, however, is an accomplished writer, and he’s taking risks by thwarting seemingly predictable plot lines — I gotta give him credit for that.
I’ll venture to guess this will be the most divisive Star Wars film yet… at least until the very next one.
Being a good actor is one thing but that doesn’t give Mark Hamill any qualification in terms of story writing. I am not saying he isn’t allowed to voice his own opinion because obviously there’s this little thing called freedom of speech and his personal thoughts on Luke will always be important to his fans. However, in many cases when actors wanted to have a say in directing a movie they ruined their characters by making them too onedimensional and/or too predictable. Because of this Mark Hamill’s statement doesn’t bother me at all. I am however worried about Episode 9 to be honest. Trevorrow’s Jurassic World was an average Blockbuster but nowhere near the epic finale the new Star Wars trilogy deserves…
I wouldn’t want Trevorrow doing EpVIII but he could certainly handle EpIX. It’s the “easiest” of the three films to make.
I’d love to someday see how Lucas envisioned it! Personally, I think the EU got Luke’s story right! And TFA was way off… But that’s just my opinion.
I am sure Lucas’ story would be nothing similar to the EU knowing his feelings toward the post Jedi stuff. I would be curious to know as well though.
We know for a fact in his version Luke had an established Jedi order and was doing his Jedi thing, and it introduced a younger new generation as well. So there’s that. Maybe they will release his version after the ST.
I really doubt he had a full ST in mind, probably just a few ideas and fragments.
Pretty much this. Lucas was pretty mercurial as far as what his “grand vision” was. As someone who’s messed around with the idea of making a fictional universe myself, I can get why.
– Pomojema
They should definitely make a comic series like The Star Wars once the sequels are done.
Granted, Mark Hamill is an actor and not a writer/director, but what worries me is that he and George Lucas (you know…that guy who created this thing we all love) had an idea of what Luke would become and hearing that he is disappointed with how Luke turns out makes me wince a bit. Now, that being said, it still can be a great movie and story and Mark’s ideas may not always be the best, but all this “Jedi must end” and Mark not liking the direction of his character makes me think we departing much further from the Luke we knew (and maybe expected) and will get a character we may not recognize (not visually obviously).
Idk, it won’t stop be from being excited or enjoying the movie, but it has to make you wonder why the guy who IS Luke Skywalker and has lived his character basically for 40 years isn’t happy with the direction he is going. I mean..again, may not be a writer, director, storyteller, or a man with the best ideas…but he still may be one of, if not THE best person to understand the character he plays and have an idea of where he should be going. Just my opinion.
Mark already said this on SW celebration… He doesnt like how jar jar managed his appereance, and he also dont like what johnson did with luke, we have to wait and see… it worries me
Mark already said this on SW celebration… He doesnt like how jar jar managed his appereance, and he also dont like what johnson did with luke, we have to wait and see… it worries me
He also said that he was wrong about how “Jar Jar” managed to introduce his character…
It’s a win-win for you anyways. If the movie fails, you can continue to moan about it on the internet.
Mark Hamil”s proposed ending for TFA is far superior to what we got. Having Luke “show up” to assist Leia on Starkiller would have been a WRESTLEMANIA-style run in. Luke and Leia witnessing Han’s death, alongside Rey and Finn, would have been the most emotionally-impactful moment most viewers had ever felt in a cinema. Absolutely SHAMEFUL that this idea was ignored.
It was ignored because it would’ve thrown the whole plot of the movie into the garbage. The movie is all about the Resistance tracking down Luke before Kylo Ren does. If Luke simply leaves the island on his own accord, you have no payoff whatsoever to the objective of the film’s main characters. There is a reason why Rey needs to be the one to find him and train with him on that island – which we will see in this upcoming movie.
Luke showing up on StarKiller would have lit up movie theaters like wrestlemania.
If what you want is some generic stadium-like shouting, then yeah, it would have been far better. But if what you want is some at least meaningful storytelling, then your idea of Luke showing up on Starkiller is garbage. And it is for one simple reason: it would have vanified everything the movie was built on: the search for Luke; the introduction of new heroes; the building up of a new story that runs around the mistery of the main hero’s disappearance and what the hell he was looking for.
Sorry, but the movie is far more intriguing this way.
And this is why fans aren’t screenwriters. It’s part of the tragedy of Han’s death that Luke and Leia weren’t there. The tragedy that it was out of their control and this could in fact push Luke to an even darker place in Episode VIII.
Who says that Han Solo needed to become a “tragic figure?”
Personally, I have trouble now, enjoying watching the O.T., knowing that it all eventually goes to crap… Oh, well…
Mark Hamil rocks… He said what he honestly thought… then, he said he warmed to the idea. We’ll see how it plays out…
There HAD better be REALLY good reasons, why Luke went into exile… If they screw up Luke Skywalker, the entire new trilogy is ruined.
That said, Mark Hamil originally wanted Luke to go to the Dark Side. I’ve never wanted THAT.
So… We’ll see… Rian Johnson & Mark Hamil are both very talented. Let’s wait and see what they’ve created,TOGETHER, shall we?
I AM a little concerned that Mark keeps saying, “Don’t get your hopes up… It’s only a movie… Ugg… The stress. LOL
To each their own. Guys like George Lucas have always described Star Wars as a space opera so the idea that Han becomes a tragic figure plays into that.
But yes, I really truly agree that if they screw up Luke as well as solid explanations as to who Rey is and some other things, that this trilogy will be questionable in the grand scheme of things. I trust Rian Johnson as much as any director. Love his work so I trust he will take Luke in a direction that makes sense. It may not be something that may not sit right with us as we all are huge fans and have our own hopes and dreams for the characters, but if it’s something that makes sense for the character given everything that has happened to him, I think it will be a success. Either way, Rian Johnson has one hell of a task ahead of him with everything Ep VII could have done better.
Either way.. there will be sections of fans that hate anything he does.
Wrong – the death would be more tragic if Luke and Leia witnessed it.
Shud have been moar Darth Vader.
MoAr VADER is LIKE moe BUTTER
tHe oNly goOd vaDeR Is MoAr vAdEr.
True.
It’s hard to make this:
“Having Luke “show up” to assist Leia on Starkiller would have been a WRESTLEMANIA-style run in”
match with this:
“Mark Hamil”s proposed ending for TFA is far superior to what we got.”
Expecially for the “Wrestlemania” stuff. Transformers generation, I guess…
Not sure how you don’t understand.
The fact that you really believe Luke was not in TFA because of some plot point blows my mind. He wasn’t in it because JJ and probably Kathleen Kennedy didn’t want him to overshadow THEIR new characters. Period. End of story. JJ didn’t have an idea for what happens after TFA. There was not some greater plan that prevented the story of TFA to not be different.
I find more mind blowing the fact that you pretend to be right ignoring one very simple plot point: Luke was in search of the first Jedi temple. Not much as a backstory, but enough to guess that JJ and Kennedy know more things than you about the ST plot.
Yes, TFA was about new characters, and having Luke around would have shadowed Rey & co. It’s not a matter of poor characters (actually they are not), but a matter of: “If I give the fans exactly what they want from the old movies, they will never notice the new things”. Something similar happened in Rogue One: who cares if there’s a bunch of undeveloped main characters, when you can masturbate with Vader! Tarkin! Lightsabers! AT- STs! AT-STs! Star destroyers!
Actually, nobody cares about the flaws of R1 characters, because it gave the fans exactly-what-they-want, but there are gans who can’t stop nitpicking about Rey or Kylo. TFA was much more couragious than R1 in this: it integrated the old and the new, giving both old and new the same dignity.
So Luke could come and go to Dagobah, but he couldn’t come and go because he is looking for a Temple?
How nitpicking!
The entire Ahch-To story line depends on what Luke found on the island, and more specifically, what he was searching in the Temple and why. If he hid himself by splitting the map there may be a very valid reason to him to not come back for the holydays. He may even crashed there with his ship, or be locked for some reason.
Is it so difficult to wait until december instead of thinking about stupid reasons to be bothered?
The old characters are better though and FAR more significant box office draws. If TFA has been “Rey and Finn are buddies”, without Han Solo, I would have stayed home and just read spoilers.
Of course the old ones are more significant in terms of cash. But without new “buddies” the saga would be a static repetition of itself, don’t you think? The fact that there are fans who actually care about Finn, Rey and Kylo means that, after all, these new characters brought something refreshing to the saga.
I think Mark is being childish and selfish about this issue. He should keep that for himself. He’s not Luke Skywalker. He plays Luke Skywalker. The new trilogy is about bringing new characters to the story. Han had his moments in TFa and that was fine. Luke will have his in ep8.
To me his reveal at the end of TFA was the best thing. It made me want to see more and more. It drove me crazy. It’s the reason I cannot wait anymore for TLJ to come out.
Mark Hamill knows the character better than Rian Johnson.
Why’s that ?
Mark didn’t know what happened to Luke before he read the script, you know ?
Luke is like butter. “Buke” if you will. Or wait, that’s uncomfortably close to ‘bukake’, so maybe not.
This is stupid. The character belongs to the actual writer, or writers. An actor can be replaced (see 007), but a character must be developed in a way or another, despite who “wears” its costumes. We all love Hamill, but I believe you’re confusing the character with the actual person. He’s not a real Jedi Knight, you know? He didn’t pass the last 30 years walking around on Skelling Michael. So, he didn’t know what happened to his character before someone wrote the screenplay for the ST, and, like it or not, he has to accept what Abrams and Johnson wrote for him.
So that scene excited you the most but you think it’s wrong of Mark to share his opinions on the character he brought to life? Luke Skywalker pretty much defined his career and for that he’s associated largely with that character, in everyday life. If anybody deserves to share their opinions on a character’s story, Mark Hamill does. Besides that, this ain’t a prison, anyone can share their ideas, especially when they’re the ones responsible for bringing it to life.
It’s not good for the franchise. Having the main actor telling everyone that he doesn’t agree with the story is not a smart move. It’s pretty useless if you want my opinion.
I appreciate Mark’s HONESTY instead of being an “Everything is glorious” PR shill. GO MARK !
Dude, the film isn’t out yet. The main actor saying he doesn’t like a movie that most people can’t watch yet is more than just a PR blunder, it says “the guy thought it was so bad that he had to spill the beans before anyone had the chance to form their own opinion”. Whether or not that turns out to be the case remains to be seen, and whether or not you see it that way is up to you. But this is exactly why PR is a thing.
Do you have some personal or financial investment in the film that makes you sound like such a corporate shill?
Don’t do personal attack pls.
If this is PR than it’s by far easely the worst PR ever in the history of Hollywood…
Maybe just kill him off then since Mark dislike his character so much. Why would he wants to play a character he hates? Don’t like it? Don’t accept the role. Nobody forced him to.
Mark loves his character — which is why he disagreed with Rian’s weirdness such as having Luke have ‘pet bird pals’ on AchTo.
Someone has to say it. What have they not fucked up? Anything awesome that could have been covered in this trilogy has been destroyed. Jedi academy? Nope. Leia trained as a jedi. Nope. Lando and Han bantering it up once again? Nope. We would at least get one last adventure with the originals one more time right? Hell no.
I disagree. There are certain traits that define who Luke Skywalker is in GL’s original vision. If RJ’s writing betrays this original vision and takes the character into a complete different direction, which seems to be the case in TLJ, then Mark Hamill is right to complain.
luke is like superman. a boy scout, always trying to do the right thing. he’s a good guy to the core. not a coward who runs when the going gets tough. he stood up to vader and the emperor. his going into hiding make little sense. especially with the half-assed back story we were given about what happened with the knights of ren and his academy. . without knowing what happened to make luke run and hide we can never really empathize with lukes decisions…but, catch-22- .. spending a lot of time explaining it is a bad way to make a film. i really don’t like this dark luke possibility. i like TFA, its grown on me…but story, plot and character-wise it forced us to accept A LOT of things without any real context. I’m all for jumping in to the middle of a story and not over-explaining…but imagine a new viewer going from Jedi to TFA .. talk about a jarring head scratcher. new order? huh? resistance? Huh? luke missing? huh? if luke is hiding why does the resistance want him so bad? huh?? what’d I miss???? way too much…thats what. JJ made the huge, MASSIVE, error of saying “i wanted to re-introduce people to what star wars is”…absurd.. as if we don’t know what star wars is. its re-boot aspect was 100% unnecessary. fingers crossed for the new one..but i suspect too much of an un-original empire echo…i mean its already evident: the at-ats versus speeders, the training..some sort of “twist” no doubt, “DJ” the lando type guy who’s kinda good kinda bad. sigh. we’ll see.
Not sure your point, but I agree with much of what you say. We will need to wait and see what the Luke back-story.
But I really hope we don’t see Luke as morally ambiguous, fallen, playing with the dark side, etc. Disgruntled, dejected…OK…weak in the force, disconnected…OK…but damn I hate this “dark jedi, cool!” talk.
Wow I cant believe people are attacking Mark Hamill now. Just wow
It was kind of obvious. “What do you like more, the franchise or its actors?” Most will pick the franchise.
I agreed. Initially I just let Mark Hamill rambled on with his displeasure but recently there seems to be lots of news regarding it. Dear Mark you’re an actor. Not a writer. Not a director. Not a producer. Just do your job well. Otherwise just let the studio kill his character off please. Since now Mark doesn’t like his character anymore just let him go. Star wars made Mark Hamill. Not vice versa.
Well, the choice should not be “attack Hamill” or “attack Johnson”. I may answer you that those fans who didn’t “attack” Hamill, have suddenly shown a certain, sarcastic distrust about the production of the movie.
An intelligent way to take the question might be this: we all love Luke Skywalker as a character, but Hamill is a real person, with hopefully his own brain and his own thoughts, and he can disagree on what Johnson did with his character, but: 1) we haven’t seen the movie yet, neither heard Hamill’s suggestions; 2) Rian Johnson is the actual author of the movie, so he has the power, and the rights, of doing what he want and taking his own risks, with the SW intellectual material; 3) we’re not supposed to have an opinion about this, even because [see point 1].
So, not a matter of “who attacks who”. The movie isn’t out yet; we don’t know what Luke is going to do; we donit know how this movie will be. The fans that manipulate these “news” to blame Disney, Abrams, Kennedy, Trump, the universe, God himself, are just annoying fanboys. Ignore them, and your life will be delicious.
Sounds pretty par for the course. He did this for Force Awakens and he’s doing the same thing for The Last Jedi. It’s natural for creative people to voice their opinions and, to often disagree with something if it doesn’t jive with their own vision. This probably happens all of the time in the war room, when writers are crafting their scripts for TV shows. Hamill noted that he is pleased with how both films have turned out. It’s not a big deal. If he said he still fundamentally disagrees, I would maybe worry some but he did state that he likes to get these things off of his chest.
Let’s not forget, Rain Johnson is a writer and a good story teller. I would no more want a writer who has no business acting act. Not saying Mark Hamill has no business writing, but I haven’t seen anything to prove that he does.
True…. I respect Mark Hamill but the way he keep hammering how displeased he is about the way the character goes is slightly pissing me off.
Mark Hamill has not proven in anyway that he is a writer, much less a good writer.
Lawrence Kasdan is a writer, and a pretty good one actually. Well, he said RJ’s script for TLJ was “weird” and weirdness is what I personally expect too (even more so after seeing the teaser trailer).
“He keep(s) hammering….” : careful, you’re commenting on one element of one interview. As with ‘bad news’ stories, we’re always going to unfairly focus on the negatives. What if this was one negative – read creative disagreement – comment amongst a hundred positive comments ? :o)
Since when does one need to be a writer, much less a good writer, to write screenplays, comics or novels?
I would say based on averages, if you want a job in Hollywood, it’s a job qualification to not be a writer or a good writer.
This is not uncommon for actors to think they can rewrite scripts and enhance their character. Mark Hamill is a core Star Wars figure, I’m sure KK and RJ are happy to let him give his “opinion”, but no actor can expect to show up and change a story that’s got a $1-2 billion price tag.
Like many of us, Mark has had 40 years to contemplate this character. When the actual direction of the character differs from the version we have fantasized about, or that Mark has used to create Luke Skywalker, there is going to be conflict and disappointment. I don’t think that necessarily means they are bad or even questionable decisions, it’s just different. We’ll see in a few months. Fingers crossed the choices that were made are intriguing and drive the story in unexpected directions.
I have a bad feeling about this…
I agree, and not.
Luke is the MacGuffin of TFA, so it’s even right that the movie starts from there and then expands itself to other goals. But the tension never goes down, the “object” is always on the horizon, and everything happens because of the search of the map. I would have liked a “Mad Max Fury Road-style” film, but there were so many things to introduce that it was quite impossible to not deviate from the main line. Mad Max was a much more simple and linear movie than TFA.
On the other side, we don’t know WHY R2 woke up. He did because he saw Rey? He did because Kylo passed to the dark side? because Luke gave him special instructions? We don’t know. Anyway, he showed only a part of the map, so not everything was useless.
Yes mad max is exactly what I was thinking! But I agree with your points, it probably wouldn’t have worked.
Sigh. Sounds like more Disney-sponsored destruction of the Star Wars legacy. So so sad. We’ll see how it turns out in December, I guess.
Well said! This is a terrible era to be a Star Wars fan… I mean where are the gungans? Why no mention of midichlorians so far? Where is the terrible acting and cartoonish visual style we all love? I miss the 2000s too…
One thing is for sure. Many people, including myself are on the fence with the quality of this trilogy. To me, Luke Skywalker IS Star Wars at its core. When TLJ comes out, I feel I will know everything I need to know about the future of Star Wars.
Maybe for the oldies fans but for new fans Luke Skywalker is the past. I’ve watched all the past star wars films and I find that the Skywalker belongs to the past era. Luke can try to start a new order but he will never be able to lead new future films. Face it. MH is getting too old. By the time the new trilogy started, MH will probably in his 70s,80s. Just watch Harrision Ford run in TFA gives me grief. He barely could run fast enough. I don’t want to see Luke in such situation.
Ah, but what if the ‘Skywalker’ name continued ? The beauty of the ‘Family Saga’ is that it could be regarded like a TV soap opera, and, if well planned and well written, could run and run, with new moral choices being placed before the Skywalker Hero…… within a politico-social context inspired by our real historical events…..
Mark Hamill has more Box Office Draw as Luke Skywalker than ANYONE in the Last Jedi. Period. And Harrison was AMAZING in TFA as Han — even the film critics agreed. Ford made the film.
I think I just died a little inside 🙁
Just wanted to add my perspective bc I think it’s different from other peoples. I grew up at a time where I didn’t notice the bad acting of the prequels. To me, they were so cool and the sense that the universe was so wide made Star Wars exciting for me. The the Clone Wars came out when I was older and to me that is why I love Star Wars. I love MH, he awesome. But the core of Star Wars to me is the Jedi Order. And to me the core of SW is Filoni. So this new Trilogy which I am very hopeful for also concerns me because MH falls in with Dave Filoni I think as people who really know this universe well. I saw with TFA what can happen when a director doesn’t understand the universe, in contrast to someone who does like Gareth Edwards. Just my thought.
TFA was excellent and I believe TLJ will be brilliant. I am more worried about Treverow ‘s contribution though
Treverow scares the S**t out of me. But all we can do is wait and hope hope hope.
I mean if Jurassic World was in development hell for so long, Trevorrow did a pretty good job saving it if you ask me. Don’t think its his fault
I am sure, Johnson and Hamill debated not about MH selfish wishes as a movie star, but more about how to translate in movies and characters the different sources they manage, as they are aware.
I have bad feeling about this. I hadn’t given Mark Hamill much thought in thirty years, but I watched all of his talks from the recent Star Wars celebration, and I found him to be very empathetic and in tune with the fans, the universe, and the character. He clearly gets that Lucas had faults as a writer and director, but still appreciates and respects the man and his vision. And he’s one of the few people from inside the franchise that seems to be able to see the good things in the prequel trilogy. He’s Disney’s best spokesperson for the entire franchise and that’s why Kathleen Kennedy (rightly) gets freaked out anytime he says something even obliquely critical.
So, I wouldn’t write off his misgivings as the ramblings of a disgruntled movie star. Frankly, I agree with his initial take on TFA. Upon subsequent viewings, I think the way Abrams introduced Luke at the end of the movie was pretty lame. Hamill thought the character should have been brought back in during early Act III (Starkiller Base), and I agree. Now that Carrie is gone, and the Han Solo character has been written out, there can be no reunion of the three main characters, which hugely cheats the old-school fans.
Look at that VF portrait of Hamill and Fisher, and tell me you don’t think it was a huge miss to not have the big three together at least for a short time. For crying out loud, Abrams didn’t even get a publicity shot of the three characters together. And please don’t tell me that having “Luke as the McGuffin” revealed at the end “was the story so it couldn’t be changed.” Unlike Lucas, Abrams had no freakin’ clue how the story was going to play out in the next movie. In due course, I think we’re likely to find that “Luke as the McGuffin” (and killing Han Solo in the first movie) was just a lazy man’s plot device, like the JJ-verse in Star Trek. It seems novel at the time, but leaves the franchise in a creative cul-de-sac.
Anyway, I hope Hamill is wrong and I am wrong. Rian Johnson is a very creative filmmaker (Looper was great), so I feel assured that his film will at least be interesting. But I couldn’t help thinking while watching Guardians of the Galaxy 2, that Star Wars had been surpassed in almost every respect by a paper thin super hero franchise, and it made me a little sad.
I get the feeling, that while it won’t be the direction Hamill expected or wanted that it will still be a good direction. I’m sure he expected more of an all powerful master akin to Obi wan or Yoda, but got a disgruntled, broken down Jedi instead.
I don’t want “broken down” Luke — I want awesome SUPERHERO Luke.
Go watch ROTJ, then.
In what part of Return Of The Jedi was he Superhero Luke? Was it the part where he fell into the Rancor pit? The part where he couldn’t deflect the laser from some minion of Jabas? Or the part where daddy had to save him from the Emperor?
The only Superhero Luke we had has been deleted.
So rescuing the crew on the sail barge and blowing the ever loving shit out of it wasn’t heroic?
Not superhero. That’s not star wars. Star wars never have any superhero.
Yeah he had a cool plan, and got lucky that Jabas sail barge was such a piece of shit that a blaster canon could take it out in one shot, but it’s not like he used the force to grab it out of the air and slam it into the Sarlac pit.
Give me a break. Luke took on Jabba’s entire entourage and safely rescued everyone. If you think any ordinary person could’ve done that, and his actions weren’t heroic, then I have no idea what impossible requirements you have to consider someone a hero.
That doesn’t mean he can’t be super strong in the force still.
Luckily, no one cares what you think.
Considering my # of twitter followers, methinks you are incorrect.
People follow you on Twitter because they want you to follow them back. They all probably have you muted, and for good reason.
So far, I’ve agreed with alot of Hamill’s thoughts about TFA, and that’s why his comment about TLJ is so scary. Vader showing up and kicking A was the highlight of Rouge One, and Skywalker doing it in TFA would have been incredible if done well. Plus, try as people might, I’ve never been convinced that Rey should’ve won that fight with Kylo. However, having Skywalker there would have fixed alot of plot weaknesses. And it wasn’t too much to ask to have at least one brief clip of the 3 old school stars in one scene (even if it was at Han’s funeral). Just my two cents.
Couldn’t they have Hans funeral in TLJ?
They certainly could, but after we’ve waited 30 years, it was disappointing to have to wait till the next film, to “maybe” see it.
Pretty much this.
What is the update in this? I am seeing stuff I have ready read.
I assume you are on mobile/tablet. The updates need some time before they appear. You can check it on desktop if you want to see it immediately.
Oh okay good to know. I am looking on my phone.
Me too
One thought in all of this is that Carrie Fisher based on interviews had meetings in her house with RJ. So if she signs off one it given how well she knows scripts, then I’m on board.
Some of you people make me sick. All you can do is complain about creative artist who work tirelessly to bring you entertainment and instead of showing appreciation you nick pick it to death. Yes, some of you just had to give your “two cents worth” but your two cents is turns out to be much much more. Any time J.J. Abrams name is brought up it is usually followed with a jab at his take on Star Trek. Any time George Lucas is brought up it is normally followed by how much you hate the prequels. Can you not just be a little optimistic about the future of the franchise. If you feel it is in such dispair, by all means, I welcome you to just wash your hands of it, walk away and take the negativity with you. Love ya
Yes, everything you said should be part of a PSA. I needed to see a comment like this.
I want to be positive about the future of SW but after TFA wich i hated btw
and disney wanting to play safe and rehashing everything i dont know what to think anymore
Rogue One played it safe?…. interesting…..
rogue one played safe, yes… they told a story that everybody know how it was going to end, more death star , they covered a plothole from episode 4, theres nothing new in the movie except for jedha and k2so
I thought R1 was one of the riskiest Star Wars movies. But hey that’s just me.
And the fact that EVERYONE DIED.
You seem to ave left that out. I wonder why.
dear lord…… curious to what you would have wanted to see in VII…. i loved the film. say it 7 times in theaters. i am super psyched for TLJ, and i love the direction they are going in.
I partially agree with you, this time. R1 wanted to do something new with SW but it turned to be a massive celebration of the old trilogy, much more than TFA. I didn’t like it very much, or better: I liked the third act, but the rest is quite nothing, a very technically well executed bunch of nothing. If they had better written the main characters (or even just Jyn) they would have done the ultimate SW movie. But not…
I agree insofar as they chose a safe time period, with familiar environments. However they crafted a film that I really enjoyed and have watched a number of times now.
Rogue One turned out to be a be a good film against the odds.
Don’t let this very vocal minority bring you down.
So your complaining about people complaining? Hmm.
And what about the creative artists over the last 30+ years who’s work was thrown in the trash because the new “creatives” were to lazy to work within the already established universe.
And since all I hear is people bitching cause they want new characters, they could have had this trilogy take place after the EU. The originals characters are all just token characters in these new movies anyways.
Except there wasn’t any established universe. Just a wild collection of fanfiction tied up in a loose continuity…
But even considering that, the new canon is still incorporating many elements from the old EU.
“Except there wasn’t any established universe. Just a wild collection of fanfiction tied up in a loose continuity…”
lol. It’s obvious you didn’t read it so there is no point commenting.
Lol, “It”.
You mean “it” as some whole and unique entity? Don’t be laughable please. The old EU even contradicted the prequels many times.
You can’t seriously think you can start a new trilogy by leaving out dozen books worth of backstory. That’s not how things work.
Oh I see so you are a salty EU fanboy. Hey I read all of them too but I knew from the start that George Lucas himself never treated any of them as canon and I am sure his story treatments would have bulldozed them as well. You still have those books and can read them at anytime as I do. Who cares if someone says a fictional story in a fictional universe did not really happen? All that matters is if the story is good. No need to come rain on someone who likes these new stories just because your favorite version is “non canon”
No I am a fucking pissed of EU fanboy. But you know what? I still bought every new book and comic because I wanted to believe they would give us something new and amazing. And so far the only ones that can pass as Star Wars books are the Junior Novels and and the pre-empire books. Yes Lost Stars was a good BOOK, but that story could have easily been set in Star Trek or any other generic science fiction universe.
And are you going to sit here, with a straight face and tell me you are happy that instead of the Thrawn trilogy being the follow up to Jedi, we now have the garbage known as Aftermath? Give me one plot point in the Thrawn Trilogy or Shadows of the Empire that would have interfered with TFA? They could have kept those two stories, but out of greed and their own agenda, they chose not to.
Like I said those were always good stories that were ALWAYS non canon. The same as they are today.
That is absolutely not true. They were all canon, except when there was a conflict with a movie, then the movie took precedence.
“Canon refers to an authoritative list of books that the Lucas Licensing editors consider an authentic part of the official Star Wars history. Our goal is to present a continuous and unified history of the Star Wars galaxy, insofar as that history does not conflict with, or undermine the meaning of Mr. Lucas’s Star Wars saga of films and screenplays. Things that Lucas Licensing does not consider official parts of the continuous Star Wars history show an Infinities logo or are contained in Star Wars Tales. Everything else is considered canon.”
– Sue Rostoni, LucasBooks/LL Managing Editor, October/November 2001 – Star Wars Gamer #6
Lucas himself said very different things. He said that the EU word is “different than his” even though he did try to keep some things consistent. http://furiousfanboys.com/2016/06/george-lucas-think-old-star-wars-eu/
Hey, man, I don’t mind if people disagree with me. We all have different tastes. For some fans, the direction of new Star Wars trilogy is rosy and entertaining. I’m happy for those folks. However,that doesn’t mean the rest of us should be removed from the Star Wars fandom nor should our complaints be dismissed as simply nick picking. Regardless of it’s overall worth, TFA has some issues, and Hamill finally spoke about some of them (Thank you, Mark). I hoped TLJ would right the ship just as Rouge One and some episodes of Rebels have been a vast improvement over TFA. However, this article doesn’t restore my confidence. That’s all.
While I agree, it’s actually somewhat tame compared to other fandoms (looking at you, ‘Doctor Who’).
As long as people aren’t being trolls its fine. I do get tired of hearing about the distain for the prequels when I want to discuss them. But I do have to admit to thinking JJ couldn’t direct his way out of a paper bag. I have never liked anything he did except for Star Wars 7. Lost, Star Trek, Fringe? No.
I would love to hear what are Your predictions. I have 1 prediction, and it is pretty crazy, so here we go:
Since Mark Hamill said he doesn’t agree what they did with his character in ep 7 and 8, and he said he couldn’t believe that Rian thinks about Luke as that, and in The Last Jedi teaser Luke said: It is time for the Jedi to end, here are my predictions:
– Luke created his new Jedi order as we know, he trained many students same as Ben and Rey (known by different name back than). Snoke, one of the most powerful ancient force users is sending visions to Luke, very dark ones, visions about his students doing terrible things in the future or terrible things it’s done to them, and Luke is slowly falling to the darkness, more twisted mind than dark mind. He killed all of his students,to save them from worse things than death thinking, Jedi needs to end for greater good. Ben saved Rey and he dropped her on Jakku and wiped her mind. Ben believed in new Jedi order, but seeing what Luke, The Last Jedi has done, he joined Snoke to destroy him. Now Ben has fallen to the Dark Side, and Luke doesn’t forgive himself what he has done. He knows now Snoke played with his mind, and games in the background only to use Ben as his apprentice. That’s the reason Luke went into exile, knowing he is too dangerous for everyone.
– Rey finds out everything what happened in duel with Kylo, he told her what happened and that she is on wrong side, and that he dropped her on Jakku after Luke also killed her parents, because they were force users in his new academy.
– This is why Kylo knows Rey, in TFA when First Order officer told Kylo BB unit escaped with Finn and a girl, Kylo had reaction ”What girl” reaction as he is afraid that he knows her, time has come when they will meet again, but as enemies, and now he is afraid of her, because she will see Kylo as a threat now and on, and that’s the reason he didn’t want to kill her in TFA, but to teach her the ways of the force.
– Or, since timeline doesn’t match with Ben dropping Rey, I think her father is Benicio’s character ”DJ” and since he lives on ”Casino planet” he cares only about money, and he sold Rey to Unkar Plutt for big money, since he knew she is force sensitive, and he could get big money for her. (I also believe he is Ezra,just look at his scar, same as Ezra)
– This will be very complex story, cause there is no actually right side, but there is chance for Ben and for Luke for redemption.
This is also great opportunity for Ben to redeem himself, and to be main protagonist in another trilogy in the future.
Please don’t hate me for this, it’s only theory, not saying I want this to happen or not, but I somehow tried to connect pieces of puzzle
Only problem with this theory is Rey’s age when she was dropped off and when Luke’s jedi temple was destroyed by Kylo.
As far as Han knows, maybe he doesn’t know the truth, but I mentioned problem with Rey,there is other theory about her
Rey thought Luke and Jedi were myths until Han Solo told her otherwise. So all of that is a no go unless they do some god awful someone erased her memories plot device.
They CAN invent new Force powers like they did for Kylo in TFA. Maybe there’s something to this theory….
Doubt it. They did not create Kylos powers for the sole purpose of twists and plot convenience.
Well I think him being able to stop, torture, and freeze people AND blaster bolts in mid-air was pretty convenient, personally.
No that is cool power that showed his Force prowess and is no different than Vader choking people. Force mind wiping is a plot device that is a lazy way of making things that do not connect go together.
That I can agree with.
Well, if they can get into someone’s head, and control someone’s mind, it’s just ridiculous to think they can’t mind-wipe someone,that’s just another level of force power
Well it is a lazy plot device for making things fit well even though they contradict with VII. They do not have to resort to such lowly things. They tell you in Force that she is not Luke’s daughter but fanboys want to have a way to say nah she just had all her memories wiped and got some new ones because of the “Force” That is just horrendous story telling in my opinion.
They obviously had a plan for Rey since 2013, it’s not like, in ep7 we will do this and in ep8 we will change everything, it’s fucking company worth billions of dollars, if we don’t know the answer since the first movie, it doesn’t mean they don’t have a plan
Yes but it is still lazy writing for the sole purpose of having a twist. If they wanted to tell a story about Rey being a Skywalker for a while then they should have wrote 7 to support that. Now only way she was a previous Jedi or Skywalker is by using cheap plot tricks that is as I have stated would be lazy writing.
There is zero chance Luke Skywalker killed a bunch of Jedi students. It’d be a rip off of Ep 3. And others would know.
Lucasfilm doesn’t have the Cojones for this.
Why should they? Do you really want to see a story where Luke is a psychopathic killer of children?
Well Episode III is my favorite.
That was Darth Vader not Luke but if child murdering is something you enjoy to see then we have uncovered a deeper probe here lol.
See we were having a conversation… but if you just want to exchange jabs. I’ll just note you as a troll and move on.
Nice fresh theory, well done! I don’t know why people bother resorting to trolling, it’s a fun conversation. To note, Luke is Vader son after all! I like it!
Well…it’s not like he would continue to say, “I really hate the direction Rian brought my character.” considering the movie isn’t even that close to being released yet…I’m sure LFL and Disney would tear him to pieces. That would be like.. horrible anti-promotion
Mark Hamill is an excellent actor. His role as one of the greatest heroes ever was perfectly executed. However, the director is still the director, and the actor is still the actor. After we see the film, we may agree with him, but it is only fair to give Rian Johnson a shot at telling the story he envisioned. Mark Hamill’s talent will always be appreciated, nevertheless.
the only thing i’m worried about is possibly not seeing luke kick ass. it’s fine with me if he’s a broken down man, but if i don’t see him pick up his lightsaber and wreck some fools, i will be sad.
also, i’m curious about how they will kill him off. i hope they wait until the next movie, because it would suck if episode ix didn’t have at least 1 person from the original trio. whatever way he meets his end, i hope it won’t detract from his legacy.
I loved TFA and watched it 6 times in the theater. I am optimistic about Rian doing an even better job than JJ. Not sure about Treverrow but very optimistic about Rian.
How many Directing and screen writing credits does Mr. Hamil have under his name?
I like Mark quite a bit, and while I will always listen to what he has to say, I don’t necessarily think his opinion would be the right one in this situation.
I’d probably have problems with the script myself, and no experience or talent to back up those opinions.
Rian and Mark’s replies are great.
Remember guys, Luke Hamill is not actually Luke Skywalker.
His opinion is not the final word.
He really was tho, just the lifes both have lived turned out to be different 🙂
Luke will follow the middle path, neither perfectly good or evil.
I fundamentally disagreed with the direction Disney took with 3 different directors, Granted Empire by far one of the greatest Episodes was not directed by Lucas, however Lucas did have executive say in most scenarios to the overall script and creative vision. Lucas every time pushed the envelope, where as this new trilogy just wants to tell the story. So why not just have one director for the whole trilogy?
This worries me a little Because..Mark Disagreed totally with Return of the Jedi..and hates it..and I agree with everything he wanted his character to evolve to..He disagreed with JJ in TFA…and i agreed with all of Marks ideas and points about what should have happened with Luke,Leia and Han…i agreed 100 % with what he wanted to happen…and i actually felt cheated with how they handled Hans death..and how nobody seemed to even care at the end…Leia walking passed Chewie like it was no big deal…Luke should have been there for Leia.Luke is so powerful now…there is no way he could not have forseen what was going to happen to Han…especially since what happened in ESB when he had a vision and ran to their rescue on cloud city…there is no way Luke did not sense it and just say “: eh..screw it”….and now we are going to get an old bitter Luke who is going to follow the ways of the Bendu and instead of resurecting the Jedi he is going to end it…it just not the Luke Skywalker we all know or want and oi agree 100% with Hamill… ” Luke is a Jedi Knight..like his father before him..The Jedi have been a part of people lives for 40 years…and they are just going to do away with it like it aint no thang..and have Luke a Bendu or Gray Jedi…..i think its a mistake.ALl the crap they are doing with Luke in the ST totally contradicts Lukes character in the OT…they may as well have just written him out of the story and created and entire trilogy WITHOUT the Big 3. Because they are making him an entire new character all together