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Star Wars Rebels: “Twilight of the Apprentice”, What Did You Think?

rebelsThe last episode of Star Wars Rebels aired today. Tell us what you thought about the episode in the comments section and check out StarWars.com’s new video Rebels Recon #2.20: Inside “Twilight of the Apprentice” …

 

 

 

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  • Robert

    Pure amazement. I can’t believe all the stuff that went down in this episode. So many things to ponder about where Season 3 will go, very satisfying overall. Especially with the added little tid-bits in the rebels recon that hint at even more legends content getting put back into canon.

    • Cw

      That was what I loved the most…I picked up on so many EU elements that I was going nuts! They will make a lot of fans happy if they begin incorporating more legends (EU) material!

      • Robert

        the first big piece of which is who the heck is going to pop out of that sith holocron?

  • Travis Moore

    This was a passion-filled episode that was obviously planned for and carefully carried out. For a Star Wars Cartoon finale, I really don’t know what more you could have asked for. There are now tons of questions, and the Star Wars universe and lore continues to grow and intrigue.

  • Yoomazir

    That ending, daaaaaaamn, finally the show is starting to get serious, it got me hyped for the next season.

    • TUD

      Hopefully it won’t be like TCW. When that series got dark (AKA good) viewership went down a lot.

  • Matthew Williamson

    im sure i saw revans mask on a body as ezra picked up the fross blade

    • Cw

      let’s hope they find a way to bring Revan back in the new films…the cross-guard is from that time period…who knows, maybe snoke is revan…

      • Matthew Williamson

        as cool as that would be the true reven is a jedi

    • TUD

      That was probably a Temple Guard mask.

  • Luz

    I have a good feeling about this!

  • NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

    I’m confused..so did Vader let Ahsoka live? And I’m assuming her walking inside that cave thing at the end was a self imposed exile similar to Yoda? AHHH SO MANY QUESTIONS!!!

    • Jacob Andrew Hollander

      Did you miss that huge explosion in the temple when they were inside? They’re both lucky to be alive and that’s it anything less is pure speculation.

      • NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

        Yea, I guess at that point they both just wanted to get the Fk out of there lol..hopefully Vader comes back to finish her off though, I can’t see them killing her off any other way.

    • Cw

      that was my biggest problem with the episode…vader should have killed her off!

  • srph25

    Goood… now time for some filler episodes

  • SonOfConstantDiligence

    Excellent episode, very dramatic, I loved the closing minute or so showing all of the characters in their respective situation. Although leaving Ahsoka alive was kind of a cop out to ending her character.

    I guess that means we could potentially see more of her character in the future though until the story group finally figures out what they want to do with her character.

  • Luis Petrizzo Rengel

    Damn…I never thought Rebels could get any darker…

  • Venaborn

    I think they leaved Ashoka alive because they have already planned her participations in same future projects. Either new TV Show – perhaps Luke Academy. Or maybe some new game.

    Either way it was not Rebels place to kill her off.

    • The Original Drew #BAEROD

      You don’t think she could have helped, like at all? She just became a coward and stood by while a genocidal mad man blew up a planet and killed millions of people. Yeah bc that’s totally so much better than her dying trying to redeem the person she cared about the most.

      • SonOfConstantDiligence

        Luke did the same thing in TFA, and Yoda was stuck on Dagobah during ep. 4 while Alderaan was blown up. It’s the jedi way not to get emotionally involved but granted she’s no longer a jedi.

      • Saudade

        Perhaps she was still stranded at that time–if she cannot leave the planet she cannot help.

  • Clayman515

    GODDAMNIT just kill Maul already

    • obijuanmartinez

      Yep. REALLY had him pegged to go. Does that mean there’ll still be a Vader / Maul showdown somewhere down the line?

      • Jeff

        I hope so. I know Palps will be none too happy that he escaped, seeing as there was an Inquisitor there specifically to hunt him down.

        • obijuanmartinez

          So did that noob Inquisitor w/ the damaged heli-saber die from his (seeming) crash & burn off the Sith pyramid? Never can tell w/ Force folks when it comes to surviving falls from great heights…

          • regeekery – JD

            yeah, he’s dead. from starwars.com:

            “Nimble and menacing, the Eighth Brother was a deadly Terrelian Jango Jumper Inquisitor. Dispatched by Darth Vader, he was sent to Malachor to attempt to find and capture Maul, and instead found himself face to face with Ezra Bridger, Kanan Jarrus, and Ahsoka Tano. The Eighth Brother often used his double-bladed, spinning lightsaber to propel himself through the air, making for sneak attacks and quick escapes. This method proved unwise, however, when he jumped off the edge of the Malachor Sith Temple with his damaged lightsaber, and fell to his death.”

          • Jeff

            I am pretty sure implication is that he is dead. The bigger mystery is what happens to Ahsoka now…

          • TUD

            starwars.com says that he died.

  • Korry Shepard

    I just want to say that this was the best episode of Rebels I’ve seen yet. This meeting between Vader and Ahsoka was worth the hype. Not too much, not too little, just enough to get you emotionally involved.

    Vader’s reaction to Ahsoka’s statement to the effect of “I won’t leave you, not this time” or something like that… you can see the conflict in Vader’s eyes. Oh should I say Anakin’s eyes…

    The broken mask is symbolic. In Sub-Saharan African tribal symbolism, a mask can symbolizes shame, hypocrisy, discontent and jealousy… all traits that made Anakin emotionally weak as a Jedi, but fed his strength in the dark side as a Sith Lord. A broken mask can be an indication of treason… could be a bit of foreshadowing future events there… other cultures and societies have their own versions of what masks mean, the Mayans, Venetians, Greeks, Native Americans, Chinese etc. If you study the themes, they are basically similar to each other.

    When you see Anakin’s eyes it just means so much to me, personally. I like how they focused on both of their eyes, but specifically Vader (one eye anyway). Vader’s eye went everywhere, his facial expressions are hidden some what, buy you can feel his conflict! I won’t go any further, just watch it!

    We all know that his animosity towards Ahsoka is twisted, as is his animosity towards the Jedi is period. Ashoka knows he hates her for leaving him and I wonder if her staying to complete the fight was a way to confront her own guilt.

    • Luz

      You are right about the eyes shape… it would have been more descriptive if the color would have changed too from yellow to the original.

      • Korry Shepard

        I like how they kept the Sith eye coloring. But to go further, they use Anakin’s real voice when he speaks at that point… you don’t hear Earl Jone’s classic deep rumbling voice. It’s his own voice. To me, that was more dynamic than changing the eye color. I think Ahsoka recognizing Anakin’s voice was very powerful.

        • Luz

          Yes the whole set was nice.
          He also picked not to kill Ezra.
          And it was cool how Maul was feeling his presence coming, because I was feeling it too.

    • The Original Drew #BAEROD

      “The Vader that we encounter in Rebels was always meant to be the one devoid of emotions, except for anger, hate and suffering. That he was so trapped inside himself because of the terrible things that happened. Anakin never thinks of himself as betraying his friends. He sees it as his friends betrayed him and the Republic. He has to live on that side of the fence because the truth is just too damming.

      “So he wants to destroy Ahsoka because she represents his past. She represents knowledge of who he was and he wants to wipe that out. His son represents a potential future because his son wouldn’t know who he was. So he could build a new galaxy together with his son. His apprentice is his past and he needs to destroy her.”

      straight from Feloni’s mouth.

  • obijuanmartinez

    DAMN!
    DAMN!
    DAMN!
    DAMN!
    DAMN!
    DAMN!
    DAMN!

    (Did I mention I hate cliffhangers?)

  • FrodoB

    This episode has made me rethink Vadar. I think he is even more of a confused mess than I had thought. He truly is only a shell of his former greatness as Anakin in TCWs and ROTS prior to his fall.

    • Longstar

      Ya, I know in everyone’s imagination, Vader is in his absolute prime and the baddest of the BADDEST, but imo, that’s not the Vader we’re looking at. I believe he IS indeed a shell of his former greatness, and he’s not in his prime but just fueled by so much evil that he goes around wrecking.

      As I said in a earlier post, I believe Ashoka bested him, as Obi Wan did, but couldn’t kill him off because they still saw Anakin Skywalker and not Vader. The way Kylo Ren is walking around wrecking, with Luke Skywalker hiding in some island because theres still people who believe there is good in him, like Leia, or just see Ben Solo, and not Kylo Ren.

      • FrodoB

        I totally agree with you. It is becoming obvious now in Rebels, and looking back I think that it was plainly apparent to us even in esb and rotj decades ago as well that Vadar was a failure in much of what he tried to do from his fall to the dark side in ROTS until he finally redeemed himself in ROTJ. Vadar was never the ultimate badass that I thought he was and paled in comparison to Anakin the Jedi. It’s interesting in ROTS Anakin’s fears he shared with Padme about not becoming the Jedi he should be were then actualized as Darth Vadar.

  • obijuanmartinez

    Cool – So Kanan is now Zatoichi, the Blind Swordsman? (Love to see a modded walking stick / quick-draw Iaido lightsaber…)

    • Luz

      In this episode…
      in the future…
      May be a sight prothesis?

      • obijuanmartinez

        Obi-wan: ‘Your eyes can deceive you…’

        Disagree – think he’ll go full Daredevil w/ remaining senses Force-amped!

        • Luz

          Ok, ok
          If it is like that he deserves a special appearance in Ep. VIII, even in Rogue I :))

    • The Original Drew #BAEROD

      I drew the comparisons to General Rom Kota from TFU to be honest.

      • obijuanmartinez

        Ha! (Who himself is a cribbed Zatoichi, especially when he starts drinking!)

    • Jeff

      Yup. He even changes his hand grip.

  • The Original Drew #BAEROD

    I liked the episode and it had its cool moments but aside from offing some inquisitors, there was nothing at stake. Ezra dabbled with the darkside and before and continues to do it. Everyone including Maul is still alive! I guess he’s going to be the new antagonist for next season bc you can’t diminish Vader. Ahsoka sacrificing herself to try and redeem Anakin would have been such a powerful moment. I get she isn’t a “Jedi” but she has to be gone by the OT bc then it just makes her a coward by not helping the Rebels out anymore. Lots of loose ends still to be tied up. For all the hype that surrounded this episode it couldn’t live up to expectations but I still enjoyed it. 7.5/10

    • nooneimportant

      If my personal prediction comes true, she’ll be dead before the timeline of the OT. Guess we’ll see…

  • regeekery – JD

    I wonder how many more Inquisitors are out there? I assume some new ones will be introduced in season 3.

    • Hard Case

      When I watched the episode, I used the captions to make sure I caught every spoken word. Even though its not mentioned in the episode, the captions identified the new Inquisitor as the 8th Brother. So one can assume that there are at at least 8 and probably 16, depending on how their numbering system works.

  • Hard Case

    What an amazing episode! I’m also super excited for the Rebels panel at Celebration now and I can’t wait to see where they go with season 3! From the Recon video, it’s clear that big things are coming and I like how they are starting to shift their focus more to ANH, especially considering Rogue One in December. I could talk all day about this episode but I just thought I’d make a list of just a couple of things I didn’t love about the episode and a few that I really loved about it…

    What didn’t work for me:

    1. No ancient Sith Lord – Okay, so admittedly this is just a failure of the show to live up to my personal hopes and expectations. I thought the episode was great. But considering that he wasn’t able to actually open the holocron until the final few seconds of the episode, I see why they didn’t go there. It may have been too much. Cue the speculation about Revan or Bane for season 3…

    2. Whirly Bird Inquisitors – I thought this element was just a little strange. Maybe it would have been better if it was just used one time for a few seconds. However, the fact that the Inquisitors seemed to use this as their main method of transportation throughout the episode was weird. Why didn’t they do this all season? How does it even work? For me it was kind of like the moment where I first saw R2 fly in the prequels…but nonetheless, I may not have been ready for it, but in the words of Marty McFly, “Your kids are gonna love it.”

    What I loved:

    1. Maul! – I loved his introduction. It was very reminiscent of Luke’s first encounter with Yoda in TESB. They even used similar lines. His progression throughout the episode to reveal his motivation was nice as well. He was also a beast in combat, killing the Inquisitors and maiming Kanan.

    2. Ahsoka V Vader! – One word…epic.

    3. The Blinding of Kanan – This will add a whole new depth to his character and hopefully we will see the Force open up to him even more as the series progresses. Although it was very brief, I thought the scene where Kanan goes all Daredevil on Maul was nice.

    4. Ezra taps into the Darkness – that ending was very ominous. Can’t wait to see what happens.

  • Cw

    An episode of Rebels that for the first time, I enjoyed! To begin with, the nod at the EU universe with Ahsoka’s statement about legends in the beginning really pleased me! And just by having an old EU planet with some facts intact was a wonderful treat!

    Vaders entrance was epic and the half helmet moment was brilliant!

    I agree with Hard Case about the whirly bird Inquisitors…I really thought that was kinda lame.

    And as much as I like the episode, Ahsoka should not have escaped alive. It weakens Vader imo.

    Maul…well, I’m certain there’s going to be a connection to him and snoke, of course that’s a personal theory that I’m still working out in my head…lol!

    • Dan Robinson

      “There’s always some truth in “Legends”.

    • Saudade

      I don’t thought for sure Ahsoka was going to die–but now that I have thought about it, having her stranded might not be a bad storyline. Right now she is almost as good as dead. She may not get off the planet for years–or ever–and if she ever does will she be changed?

  • patvdaa

    Was Asohka standing there At the end? Or is That someone else?

    • Ewan Tibbetts

      It was Ahsoka.

      • The Original Drew #BAEROD

        I thought that her surviving was kind of dumb. Sacrificing herself to try and redeem Anakin would have been a really powerful moment. Everyone except the inquisitors (which lets be real nobody really saw as a threat) are all alive. This episode may have lasting effects but it doesn’t seem like anything of real consequence happened.

        • Rover’s Chocolate Log

          The Clone Wars show was cancelled so they never had a chance to kill her off, so it’s not dumb from that point of view.

  • Oscar

    Holy Crap Dave Filoni pretty much just confirmed in the Rebels Recon Episode that next season Maul and Vader will showdown.

    I say this because of his end comments. And there’s another video where he said that he and the writers for rebels were originally talking about having Maul battle Vader in this finale but they had other plans for Maul.

    And at least we lmk he’s thinking about it.

  • Cw

    One last item….it would have been the best if they would have brought Revan back into canon by having him in the sith holocron and the one speaking to Ezra as everything else on that planet points towards his existence in canon.

    • Clone11038

      I hoped that the cross guard lightsaber ezra finds is Revan’s.

      • Rover’s Chocolate Log

        Why would it be Revan’s? Clearly it was dropped by one of the petrified Jedi who fought in the attack on the Sith Temple.

      • CD_PNx

        It seems it was a comon desing back in the old days, and now since ezra got is lighsaber smashed maybe he builds a crosshilted one

        • Rover’s Chocolate Log

          £5 says he builds a red one….

          • CD_PNx

            I don’t think it’s going to be red,just because it would be to much of a teller that he is going dark side. He may change the kyber christal later down the line when he goes full dark side and assumes the persona of supreme leader snoke :D

        • There was a rumor about Ezra’s look in season 3. He’ll have a new haircut and a new lightsaber that looks like Obi-Wan’s.

          http://makingstarwars.net/2016/01/rumor-the-largest-cameo-in-star-wars-rebels-chistory/

          • Rover’s Chocolate Log

            Will he have a little adolescent half-beard? :)

          • Cw

            hoping not….Ezra needs to die soon as the show really doesn’t need him anymore now that we have better characters and stories running. Maybe Maul will use him for something and cut him down. Or better….Vader shows up and wipes him and Maul out at the same time.

            • No Disintegrations

              Ezra is the character the intended viewing audience is meant to experience the story through. The intended viewing audience being 8-14 years old. In this case, Ezra is very important to the way the story is told.

              • Cw

                the story has evolved past him at this point.

                • psiloRen

                  so it may seem, but he surely has a very important role with more to be revealed.

            • TUD

              Sadly he’s the main character.

              • Cw

                Sadly indeed.

        • Clone11038

          Yeah, I figured. That would mean that at the time Revan could have had a such lightsaber. But I believe Ezra might get a red lightsaber

      • Cw

        just hoping that Revan finds his way into a current story line. I liked the original rumors that Luke was guarding a sith grave, how awesome if it would have been Revans!

    • TUD

      I’m sure we’ll get Revan in the Season 3 finale after slogging through 21 episodes of slapstick filler.

  • Clone11038

    Just…wow! I already loved this series, but this episode made certainly escalate it much higher than a kids show wich it seemed in various episodes. Kanan just became more like Kota, wich is something I love, Maul came back and will certainly keep on doing his schemes for some time, Vader under the mask, Ezra starting a journey to the dark side…. that’s just really epic! The ending was very cinematic and well done too!

    • Hard Case

      I don’t know that she actually died. I don’t know why she would have been a force ghost at the end. I speculate that it was actually her physical body we see at the end after the explosion.

      • Jeff

        Completely agree. She didn’t die.

  • Rover’s Chocolate Log

    Best episode of the season for me, and I found the last few minutes genuinely cinematic.

    My only issue is that we should not have to wait until the last episode for some truly plot forwarding stuff. I felt that a lot of this could’ve been dealt with earlier….at least by the mid season break. I would like to see a more structured and impactful arc next season. That said, I think the quality of the show has improved immensely since the first season.

    Oh, and I reckon that’s Asokha’s force ghost at the end…..

    • Jeff

      Filoni mentioned in the Recon that the episodes everyone has been calling fillers (pretty much pointed at many in this thread) will be surprisingly important as we get later in the show.

      Ahsoka didn’t die. Watch it again.

      • Rover’s Chocolate Log

        Does this mean the space whales will go to Tatooine and tell Obi-Wan it’s time to find Luke???

        I think so!!!! ;)

      • Rover’s Chocolate Log

        I know we don’t see her die, but unless they were separated by the blast I can’t see Vader letting her live….and there’s no reason that can’t be a force ghost at the end.

    • TUD

      Force Ghosts are blue and floaty.

  • Petar Ramljak

    Holly shit,this episode was better than most movies,I swear,I cried soooo much,especially when Chopper lead blind Kanan. If Disney doesn’t acknowledge Rebels as canon in future movies,I will be so mad,and give Dave Filoni to direct STAR WARS Movie,that man is amazing!!!

    • Cw

      ok with some canon from this show…but for the most part, Filoni has created more issues with his ideas and adding them in than he has done good.

      • JediDan

        Completely disagree, he learned straight from Lucas.

        • Cw

          he always had an issue with Lucas and has been waiting to do things his way since Georges departure. Lucas had to keep him on a chain when they were working on TCW. Unchained….blahhhh

          • TUD

            Are you for real? Lucas was the one who up and decided that Anakin suddenly had an apprentice despite not even being e Jedi Master. He is the one who has no respect for continuity.

            • Cw

              Lucas caused some issues….but Filoni unchecked…..equals Rebels. Enough said.

  • Darthsquid

    Link please? Can’t wait until the weekend here in the UK!!

    • TR-8R

      kisscartoon.me

      • Darthsquid

        Ta m8! great link too.. might have to watch the lot!

  • Venaborn

    Now i was thinking. Could be that sith temple weapon Mass Shadow Generator ?

    • Rover’s Chocolate Log

      Interesting idea.

    • TUD

      It certainly looks like it is. And that female voice could be the canon voice of Traya.

  • KyloRen

    Goddamn it, if anything that finale just got me super hyped to see Vader in Rogue One!

  • Russ Dale

    Was the voice of the temple Asajj Ventress?

    • Rover’s Chocolate Log

      It was the actress, but not the character according to Filoni.

      • Russ Dale

        Whoa. Confusing

        • Rover’s Chocolate Log

          He says it’s the voice of an ancient Sith Lord/Lady.

          • TUD

            TRAYA!!!!!

        • Darth Necris

          Very confusing as she has a very unique voice and I haven’t seen a whole lot of range from the actress. It’s cool they got her voice but that does make things a bit on the confusing side.

          I know Mark Hamill did the voice of Darth Bane, but he didn’t sound like Luke Skywalker when he did it. Some actors have the range and others don’t.

          • obijuanmartinez

            That & Ventress (in canon) is a goner now too…and her body’s on Dathomir, courtesy of one Quinlan Vos

  • CD_PNx

    My theory: Rex is going to the dark side, you can see his pain at the end after not seeing ahsoka. And when his pain turns to anger you will see him wielding a red crosshilted lightsaber and force choking some spiders

    • Rover’s Chocolate Log

      Filoni says the Rex is an old guy you see on Endor in ROTJ so the answer to that seems to be no.

      • CD_PNx

        Yeah i saw that too. I was just throwing some crazy ideas at the wall to see if it sticks xD

        • Rover’s Chocolate Log

          Chopper turns to the Dark Side!

  • Darth Necris

    Anybody have a download link? I haven’t been able to see it yet.

    • TR-8R

      Kisscartoon.me

  • Elliot Fabiani

    Glad they didn’t kill anyone off , though ahsoka is up in the air , felt like it would have been too early and they would lose potential good story lines, did anyone else notice at the end Ezra opens the sith holocron , didnt maul say only a sith can open it or am I missing something?

    • Longstar

      That’s the big cliffhanger in the season. Ezra looking shocked as he opens the holocron in the closing shots, and considering what Maul said, it serves as a huge tease for Season 3

      • By Whedon’s Lisp!

        I liked that his eyes transitioned from red to purple to his normal blue. I think the show could have gone further. They really need to push it with some twists and turns. They spoiled Maul coming, so would have been cool at the end if Ezra left with Maul or something.

    • Nate

      Only a Sith, or someone who thinks like one.

    • Hard Case

      I think when he let his emotions over the whole ordeal rise to the surface, especially concerning Kanan’s blinding and Ahsoka’s presumed death, he was able to open the holocron. Letting your emotions take control is the very essence of how the Sith operate. Using the powers available through the (as Palpatine would put it) narrow minded and dogmatic view of the Force that the Jedi hold would not be sufficient to open the Sith holocron. Therefore in theory, a Jedi would be unable to open it. But when Ezra embraces emotion, he harnesses the power to open the Sith holocron. Just my take.

    • bob sherman

      “they didn’t kill anyone off”
      THEY KILLED OFF ALL THREE INQUISITOR’S!

    • TUD

      Someone who is a Sith, *or thinks like one*.

  • By Whedon’s Lisp!

    While not as good or as well written as Seige of Lothal, it was one of the better episodes this season. Maul, as is the case with most of the supporting characters and expanding cast, was much better written/drawn than the original Ghost crew. The Vader/Ahsoka reunion, though a little too quick, was still great… especially when we saw Anakin under the Vader mask.
    IMO, the episode was way too Force/Jedi/Sith heavy. At times, on this show it feels like the Jedi/Sith are more active now than they were during the prequels/Clone Wars and I think that’s the opposite of the way it feels at the end of ROTS and beginning of ANH. Since this show is canon, it’s a shame for it to destroy that feeling from the movies. But at least they killed of two – possible three? – of the inquisitors. I say three because we didn’t see his body and everyone else who fell survived. Speaking of falling, how did Ahsoka, Ezra, and Kanan survive the fall into the Sith Temple without using the Force to break their fall?? It’s times like that that I’m reminded this is just a cartoon – and that’s also a shame.

    I’m glad they didn’t show the face of the new Inquisitor – I like him/her better as a faceless threat and didn’t need to see their face… UNLESS it turns out to be someone like Barris Offee (who I’m expecting to show up on the show at some point to continue her storyline with Ahsoka that was left open by the cancellation of Clone Wars). Maybe Ahsoka and Barris will meet up in the ruins of the Sith Temple?

    Going forward, I really would like to see the Jedi stuff scaled back. We need less Jedi/Inquisitors running around, not more. The episode made constant reference to the Rule of Two, and then would cut back THREE dark-siders/Sith attacking our heroes. BUT I’d really like to see more Vader, if not an episode or two from the Empire’s perspective. General Veers, Piett, ground assaults… all ripe for exploration. I’d like to see less of the bumbling Empire so far seen and more of the dangerous, scary Empire we saw in Empire Strikes Back.

    I’d also like to see Rex training Rebel soldiers and more movement toward an end game (formation of Rebel Alliance??).

    Watching the episode, I’m glad they didn’t actually kill Kanan (yet) as I originally wanted, but the group still suffered greatly by Kanan losing his sight (permanently I hope or else it’s meaningless). That is actually a great development for his character and puts even more weight on Ezra’s shoulders.

    • Venaborn

      Well Star Wars are about Jedi and Sith. And most episode which wasn’t about them are here called filler here. And evan i agree that many of them are fillerish.

      So yeah scaling down Jedi/Sith. That truly horrible idea.

      • By Whedon’s Lisp!

        Um… no Star Wars is NOT all about the Jedi and Sith. That’s debatable, at best. And isn’t Ezra, Kanan, Vader, the Emperor and now Maul enough for you without something like 16 inquisitors!

        • Venaborn

          Force users are one element which make Star Wars stand out from long line of other sci-fi shows and movies.

          So yes they most interesting part of that universe.

          And yes there are some interesting non force-users character.

          But they are just same as hundreds of other non-force users from other shows and movies.
          Personally i love Star Wars for Force. Without it there could be good stories but never amazing stories. At least for me.

          • By Whedon’s Lisp!

            I and many, many others disagree with you. I too love Jedi/Sith, but like I said not for this era so much.

            I guess you’ll be skipping Rogue One then?

            • Venaborn

              I just love when someone use their invisible army which agree with them on everything.

              And i don’t skip it. But Rouge one is not exactly my taste that for sure. New Han Solo movie is one which i probably skip.

              And yeah taking out most interesting element (jedi/sith) is truly ingenious idea. Numbers of people who watched that show would probably drop like rock.

              • By Whedon’s Lisp!

                Invisible army? What are you taking about dude? And you just proved my point… You are biased which makes your original statement about Star Wars stories about non force users not “amazing”. You don’t like those kinds of stories so no matter how awesome they are you won’t even give them a chance. I’m glad they don’t make this show just for you.

    • Dan Robinson

      The Rule of Two applies to Sith Lords not any dark side user.

      • By Whedon’s Lisp!

        Most people don’t know the difference and associate the dark-siders, inquisitors with the Sith. They sure have made a mess of it with all these dark siders running around. I would be cool in any other time line.

        • Dan Robinson

          This is true. How it was even asked as a question on Rebel’s recon this week shows that confusion. But they can’t spoon feed all the facts in 22 minutes.They’be been hitting it hard a few times Ahsoka is not a Jedi anymore though.

          • By Whedon’s Lisp!

            I didn’t say they didn’t nail that with Ahsoka, I said the problem was with the Sith vs. Inquisitors. If they really wanted to clear it up they should just have Palpatine decide it was time to end the rule of 2 and build an army of Sith or something, and then Ezra and Kanan have to stop that. But it would have to be super secret so the galaxy at large would still think it was a big deal when they learn about Luke Skywalker.

            Surly, everyone must understand that if Ezra, Kanan and Ahsoka were still around Bail Organa would have gone to them instead or at least in addition to Obi-wan??

            But to address you’re mentioning of Ahsoka, they handled that well partly because there’s just one of Ahsoka and they mention it often on the show. But mainly because they had a whole arc devoted to her leaving the Jedi order in TCW.

            • Dan Robinson

              Sorry, I guess my comment wasn’t clear. I was just saying they were taking the time to address Ahsoka unlike Sith vs Dark Side users. Some additional dialog here and there would help just like the Ahsoka dialog.

              • By Whedon’s Lisp!

                I agree. They have made references to it but it doesn’t seems to stick

    • Bruce Amberson

      I don’t understand how anything Star Wars could be too Jedi/Sith heavy. The episodes that don’t include them just aren’t as interesting to me.

      • By Whedon’s Lisp!

        I didn’t say Star Wars could be… I said Rebels, specifically. And what I mean is that it conflicts with the rules/universe established by the end of episode 3 and the beginning of a new hope.

        And the reason the non Force-user episodes aren’t interesting to you… well that may have more to do with the writing/direction of the show than not having Force users. it’s sad that this show would need a few flashy light saber battles to maintain interest.

        Personally, I would like to see more story lines akin to what Rogue One sounds to be about.

  • Longstar

    I believe Ashoka got the best of Vader in their duel and decided not to kill him, because she couldn’t bring herself to, so she goes into exile which would end her story in Rebels and start to make some sense of her existence entering the Rouge One period as we move closer and closer to A New Hope.

    • LastOfTheDeji

      Ahsoka didn’t get his best, however she held her own. I’m of the opinion that out of all of the people in the galaxy aside from Luke, she is the only person he would be willing to show mercy to once which I believe happened and even then it was because his helm was damaged. I think it’s a scenario of if he ever sees her again he will finish her. As for kanan’s blindness, I don’t think it’s the end of his arc. I think this was the catalyst to get him to being a real master of the force. Remember from AotC Younglings are trained to hone their force senses with a blast shield covering their eyes while they deflect blaster bolts. Even Obi-Wan used this method as Luke’s first light saber training as seen in ANH. I’m of the opinion that Kanan is going to clearly become stronger with his force senses which in turn will probably make it easier for him to notice the dark side growing within Ezra as he will be more attuned to his senses.

    • By Whedon’s Lisp!

      Seriously, you think the show is done with Ahsoka just like that… with a vague shot of her going into a temple (which I didn’t even catch) … after bringing her back just this year? She’s one of the most popular animated characters, so… no. Rebels is not done with her. Although with her not technically being a Jedi they may try to keep her around by the time of A New Hope, which would be a mistake. Honestly, if the Rebel Alliance had her skillset she would have been used and Luke wouldn’t have had to handle things on his own.

      • Longstar

        It’s my thought or opinion, not blasphemy lol. I just wouldn’t be mad at all if that’s how Ahsoka’s story ended in the REBELS series. I wouldn’t be mad at her surviving and going into exile. The hard question to answer in all these newly canon stuff is why Yoda and Obi Wan, one who nearly defeated the emperor and the other who defeated a prime Darth Vader, didn’t join the Rebellion and destroy abunch of inquisitors and Darth Vader, aiding the rebellion against the Empire in all that time.. We know the answer is… “cause story” but that just adds to my point. Ahsoka could also be added to that tight knit circle of people who cared about Anakin, and just couldn’t kill him when he was at his darkest moments, I just believe it isn’t shown, but Ahsoka actually got the best of vader and I don’t think it weakens the character (Unless fans want godmode) but just adds more depth and a different element to the whole thing.

        Yoda even lost faith in Ezra almost right away.. “How Jedi choose to win” Ezra said they’re fighting. Yoda probably lost hope in THAT moment. These guys are going to fight… and tackle the situation head strong, notice they lie to Luke and try to fuel his passion…. It was a totally different approach. Obi Wan and Yoda kept Luke in the dark(As we know it now) to rally Luke. They were lying to him, he was the only hope left, to do it the JEDI way. it all makes sense to me imo… It just takes alot of thinking lol

    • Last Hawkeye

      That blast from the temple probably threw Vader and Ahsoka apart, ending the duel. She went into the temple for whatever reason, and he left to chase the Rebels. I heard a great theory that all of these characters die on Alderaan at the beginning of ANH, but the Galaxy is a big place, they could be anywhere.

  • Bluemilk7

    loved the episode. what happened to ahsoka?? the fact that maul survived REALLY gives me hope there will be an obi-wan anthology film with a final confrontation between those two. PLEASE let it happen.

    • Plagus

      Some people say she is now a force ghost , some say she is now going to be like Obiwan and be a hermit in hiding , I think she could now be possessed by the spirit of the S
      ith temple.

      • LastOfTheDeji

        She can’t be a force ghost. Remember how they look. Pale blue with faded hints of their color in life. Ahsoka didn’t look pale blue at all, she looked the same to me

        • obijuanmartinez

          Plus she didn’t get the secret-squirrel Qui-gon training (that we know of) like Obi-wan & Yoda did, to allow them to manifest as Force ghosts…

          • bob sherman

            wait did you forget the older Ashoka on mortis she could be a full body force ghost

            • TUD

              That was a vision, not a Force Ghost.

    • By Whedon’s Lisp!

      Why a film? Why not just do it on the show. I’m SO NOT a fan of starting something in one area and then finishing it in another medium. It’s not financial practical either.

      • Bluemilk7

        you just contradicted yourself completely. i said i want a final showdown between obi-wan kenobi and darth maul- their initial confrontation/conflict started on FILM. and i’m suggesting it ends with a FILM. i wouldn’t be anywhere near satisfied if they did it on the tv show… i don’t understand what point you’re trying to make.

        • By Whedon’s Lisp!

          He died in the film. Show brought him back and he should be contained to the show. Too confusing for movie audiences. Contrary to your belief Star Wars wasn’t made just for you! Lol

          • Bluemilk7

            you’d be surprised how many fans support the idea.. if you aren’t aware of that, then i suggest you do some more research. it’s been all over news headlines this past week that darth maul is back on rebels, and i’m sure the exact same thing happened when he was brought back for clone wars. i understand your point, but i’m saying now that they’ve brought him back in multiple mediums, they should give a proper finale to him.

            • By Whedon’s Lisp!

              Big difference between some fans and mass audiences. I believe the proper finale is the Rebels show, rather than cop out and put it in a movie. And it looks like Dave and Co. agree.

  • Ddan

    So Ezra showed dark powers just at the end as well. Can they truly continue with a blind Kanan? Will Ezra be turned off by his masters new weakness and eventually kill him, as most sith lords do? Is Ashoka dead? So much to be talked about. Great Episode. Was rooting for Maul until…..yea until that WTF moment. Great episode

    • mabruno

      Ashoka is still alive from what I understand.

      • Mike176

        I could have sworn the last shot of Ashoka was her falling to her knees in defeat/death……

        • TUD

          Descending back into the Temple according to starwars.com.

    • Dani Català

      She’s alive, but I don’t know what that shot of her entering the temple means…

    • Feels like they’ll sort of be pulling a Rahm Kota with this.

    • nooneimportant

      I think she’s alive. I also think Vader will kill her in Rogue One. I’ll be the first to admit it if I’m wrong though…

      • TUD

        I don’t think Ahsoka will be in Rogue One. I think she’ll die in Rebls Season 3, which will spark some event in Catalyst or Rogue One.

  • Dani Català
    • regeekery – JD

      I’m not going to the point out the obvious reason that Donnie Yen won’t be Kanan Jarrus in the movie. But I will say I don’t seen any reason to assume there can’t be more than one blind Rebel warrior running around the galaxy.

      • Dani Català

        Because he’s asian, I know… But I see so many reasons the Rebels wouldn’t send a blind dude in their most important mission… Unless R1 is a comedy.

        • The Original Drew #BAEROD

          I dont see any scars that would clearly be left from a lightsaber being smashed into his face. This is beyond a stretch.

        • regeekery – JD

          well blind doesn’t mean useless

        • TUD

          Maybe he’d Daredevil – the Jedi.

    • TUD

      Kanan isn’t Asian. Sry.

  • Dani Català

    The Return of the eyebrows…………

    • The Original Drew #BAEROD

      He is also looking pretty tan for someone who has been under that mask for 16 years.

      • Cw

        that’s from being extra crispy!

        • Steven

          think it should of been less though.I

    • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

      But why are his eyes orange?

      • TUD

        Are you color blind by any chance? Not to be mean or anything, but this color is not orange.

        http://img.lum.dolimg.com/v1/images/221-trivia-gallery-8_af38b4e9.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1280%2C720

        • Dani Català

          I must be color blind as well, because I do see orange too. IMO is the reflex of the burnt metal of the helmet.

          • Humberto Jose Cao

            umm.. they are yellow with a red outer ring – because.. Sith.

            • TUD

              I see what you mean. In the dark lighting, that could be seen as orange.

        • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

          I haven’t seen it yet but it looks amber to me and his eyes were very dark in Jedi compared to that.

      • Last Hawkeye

        Exactly how they looked at the end of ROTS.

        • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

          Not when the helmet went on though.

  • John Mackay

    I imagine I’ll cop some grief for this comment lol
    With mention of Thrawn for season 3, I would genuinely love to see an animated series made from the Thrawn trilogy.
    I’m not down with the whole eu thing, but I remember the excitement at being transported back into what felt like the world I loved when reading the books. Definitely would like to see them realised on screen

    • The MacGuffin Guy

      That would be pretty cool. I feel like after rebels is over we may get an animation about the rise of the first order/resistance conflict and the fall of skywalker’s academy since you can’t do that in live action without recasting everyone and that is a very important story in a similar vein to the thrawn trilogy. Then again they may stick to novels since it seems like a dark affair

      • TUD

        By the time Rebels ends, the sequel trilogy would be over, so that could definitely happen.

    • By Whedon’s Lisp!

      You might like the Dark Horse adaptations they did a while back. The art had a slightly animated feel, if I recall.

  • Irvin Lira

    I did not see the episode as I don’t have the channel, but I did see Rebels Recon. Filoni teased some things that will be coming down the series and mentioned something that to me anyway, seems to suggest that some sort of the EU will be introduced to us as canon. Maybe they’ll introduce Thrawn, Darth Revan, etc. The possibilities in this show, and what means to the original trilogy and new trilogy going forward is exciting and endless.

    I also enjoyed the fact that the temple where they were in last, where Ashoka and Vader battled, that it used to be controlled by an ancient Sith Master. I read on IGN that it was a female voice/whisper and that’s actually the actress that plays Ventress in the Clone Wars animated show. Obviously, Ventress is dead, but the possibility of exploring that ancient Sith Master is exciting. She presumably had that temple as a weapon where ancient Jedi Knights stormed in and tried to stop it, but all were frozen in carbon which I’m not sure was shown to the audience since I’ve yet to see this season and episode. I’m buying the seasons on Blu Ray for my own collection.

    Most of what happened in the season finale, I read on IGN with a lengthy conversation with Dave Filoni. I highly recommend it.

    Needless to say, I’m excited for Star Wars Celebration later this year.

  • The MacGuffin Guy

    *spoilers in this comment*
    All the references to Legends continuity were awesome! Makes me hungrier than ever for Old Republic to come back into canon.

    -Malacore’s ancient superweapon akin to the Shadow-Mass Generator of Legend
    -Crossguard saber confirmed an an ancient design which Kylo Ren mimics
    -Sith Holocron! (still hoping it contains footage of Revan but I’m just dreaming)
    -Maul acting like the evil mirror of Yoda in ESB. Pretending to be frail and old.
    -Showdown with Vader felt very similar to the end of Force Unleashed and RotJ

    Speaking of Force Unleased. I felt like Kanan was channeling Kyle Katarn from legends continuity, but it looks like he make he could have a bit of a Rahm Kota path, becoming a wise (albiet broken) Jedi mentor to try and redeem Ezra should he go Dark.

    • Last Hawkeye

      And the fact that Ahsoka told the others in the ship “There is always some truth in Legends.” Pretty cool, right? That HAD to be an intentional line in the script.

  • Sdaniel18

    I am such a fan of Star Wars Rebels. I am happy that Ahsoka, Kanan and Ezra will all live to tell another tale. But all of them will be changed emotionally and physically (especially Kanan). I will miss Kanan’s pretty Turquoise color eyes. Looking forward to season 3.

  • bob sherman

    http://prntscr.com/aml6ib I HAVE FOUNT ASHOKA OH MY GOD!

  • Mithrandir Olórin

    Okay, I’ll say this and hope someone at Disney reads me: I want Luke Skywalker to know more about his father’s former life from an hermit called Ahsoka Tano, between ROTJ and TFA. Or even in the Sequel Trilogy. Period.

    Ahsoka loves Anakin, it even had hints of romanticism (I won’t leave you? WTF).

    I want the link between Luke and Anakin explored. We need that more than water. Even between ANH and ESB, if Anakin oficially died as a Hero, then he should have been remembered amongst the rebellion’s Clone War heroes. And Luke should have had the curiosity, right?

    Ahsoka lives. Anakin lives. Vader lives. And we have Rogue One in december.

    Fuck the sequels, there’s a lot more fabric to be cut in this era.

    • FrodoB

      I think your idea to connect Ahsoka and Luke is very interesting and would love to watch, or read, about Luke learning more about his father’s years as a Jedi Knight. Or even if was simply Luke obtaining Anakin’s holographic training videos as the connection, that would be neat.

    • Saudade

      That is an interesting idea.

    • Jones6192

      Platonic friends can’t still show that kind of loyalty?

      • Mithrandir Olórin

        Perhaps. But the overall point was that Ahsoka really loved and idealised Anakin. And that Luke as an orphan who never knew his father should have been, at some point in his life, genuinely interested in knowing more about “this” Anakins Skywalker who happened to be a war hero.

  • Vader the White

    With the exception of the lightsaber helicopter (yeah, even I, who has never flinched at the idea of R2 having rocket boosters, couldn’t handle this), this was an amazing episode. Maul was awesome. The duel between Ahsoka and Vader was awesome (especially after Vader’s mask was damaged). And the potential for next season (Kanan coping with the loss of his sight, Ezra sliding towards the dark side, etc.) really makes me want it to be fall so we can see it already!

    • ZOD

      Funny. I don’t like the droid rockets, but do like the helecopter Lightsabers.

  • ZOD

    That was the best 40 minutes or so of Star Wars animation… ever. Very well done. I’m genuinely curious to see what happens to everyone next year. Will the end of the season tie into Rogue One?

  • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

    I wonder if they will do another marathon on their site ala May the 4th? I hope he was hinting at a Rogue One tie-in episode since there would be no better opportunity to do that than here.

    • TUD

      There were some TV spots during the broadcast of the apprentice that said that a May 4th Lego Star Wars marathon would be happening on Disney XD.

      • Snark Vader (alias Grant)

        Probably on the site too.

  • Luz

    May be I am wrong, but it could happen that the delay getting a teaser of Rogue One could be related to the end of Star Wars Rebels season.

  • TUD

    BEST. REBELS. EPISODE. EVER.

    • Longstar

      TUD, brotha man. You are so right.

    • 999SickBoy666 .

      Great episode, indeed. I could’ve done without the sabre-o-copters but, oh well – nothing is perfect.

  • DarExc

    I liked it, I wish they had have killed off Darth Maul though, he’s had his time. The final battle between Vader and Ashoka would have been ruined for me had she not discovered Vader’s true identity, I want more… The only thing I didn’t like was the saber helicopters… Aside from the absurdity of it, they have the force and can jump and land to and from far places as it is…

  • Me Vil

    My thoughts.
    It was a good episode, no doubt.
    Malachor was really great, the surface and the temple. Love planets with Force importance.
    Sith Holocron thing was great.
    All inquisitors dying (i hope) was great.
    Last minutes were brilliant. Just want to know more about Kanan and Ezra.
    But I didn’t like Maul again. Yes, i can handle it here one more time but keeping him alive AGAIN is just boring.
    Didn’t like Keeping Ashoka alive knowing Anakin’s fate. (Why just don’t kill her? It was a good moment)
    Didn’t like inquisitors sabers and how Vader escape.
    Anyway, like Kanan and Ezra characters, trying to make my new sequel connections.
    Like the idea of “trying to destroy” the “sith thing” knowing everything about it. In my opinion there is something trying to destroy the old sith religion to use only the force, for good and evil reasons, without religions, to begin a new kind of “Order”. The Snoke one maybe?

  • Me Vil

    Who you think has more numbers to be Snoke?
    Kanan, with his face wounds?
    Ezra, with his evil knowledge?
    The last minutes were so interesting

    • saroban

      My money’s on the little birdie watching them all. Ezra will be the first Knight of Ren.

    • TUD

      Neither. Snoke is Snoke.

  • BobRoss

    Wow, really great episodes! I have done some 3d Animation myself (even though I am more modeller and rigger than animator :P) but the quality of those episodes was top notch. Technically and story wise.

    Ps: I have read that some were irritated by the lightsaberocopter but I actually liked them. In every Star Wars things were added to the force and its abilities. Ep IV introduced the force as being able to do mindtricks and feel disturbances in the force. In Ep V we got telekinesis and in ep VI we got forcelightning (…) and in TFA a forceuser can even stop blaster shots mid air. Adding new things Jedis/Sith can do every now and then is what keeps the Force so interesting. If you try to include “realism” and “physics” into Star Wars how about this: lightsabers radiate some amount of heat. In dense athmospheres with lots of particles to carry vibrations (and that sith planet was indeed really foggy) this effect would be even stronger. heated air has less density than cold air and is thus lighter. so like the droplet of water that hovers on a hot oven plate i think sabre-o-copters are credible in combination with forcejumping and pushing. and hey, after all we have accepterd space travelling whaleoppuses so this one isn’t too bad :D