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Adam Driver Dressed Like Han Solo on the GQ Magazine Cover.

adam driverStar Wars: Episode VII actor Adam Driver is on the September cover of GQ magazine. The actor was dressed up to look like a certain character from the Original Trilogy. Was that a hint or just a funny coincidence ? …

 

First of all I want to make it clear that I have no idea what character Adam Driver is playing in Episode VII. Just the regular rumors that all of you have also heard.

 

POTENTIAL SPOILERS AHEAD

 

When Adam Driver was first rumored to be part of the Episode VII cast he was rumored to play a villain. (6 months ago)

Sources tell Variety that while no deal is done yet, the “Girls” actor is close to signing on to play the villain in J.J. Abrams’ “Star Wars: Episode VII.” Exact details are unknown, but the character is said to be in the vein of iconic “Star Wars” villain Darth Vader.

 

When I first read that rumor I thought that the Darth Vader reference was a bit too much. But later (3 months ago) JediNews added more to the rumor:

Sounds like Adam Driver is NOT going to play a villain…sort of.

 

He will be playing the son of Han and Leia, and it seems he will be seduced to the Dark Side, and a main plot point for the movie will be their attempt to rescue him.

 

Now the parallel with Vader and the seduction by the Dark Side made more sense. Still many people refused to believe that rumor because Adam Driver didn’t look like Solo at all.

 

The next few photos will show you that Driver actually indeed has a Han Solo vibe.

 

First Driver on the September cover of GQ Magazine (via fashionstyle):

 

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White shirt, black vest, dark blue trousers and that hair! Looks familiar? Sure. Someone definitely wanted to dress Driver like Han Solo.

 

Han Solo

Now the big question is did they do this intentionally? The similarity is pretty obvious so I really doubt that they did that just to mislead the audience.

 

So, we saw the case where Driver looks like Han, and if this similarity is not enough for you, let’s check out the other case – Han Solo looking like Driver. Take a look at Solo’s appearance in the Holiday Special cartoon The Story of the Faithful Wookie. :)

 

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Pretty cool, right? And finally, remember Oscar Isaac’s Ice Bucket challenge? He humorously mentioned that the guys behind him are Adam Driver and Harrison Ford. It’s curious why he chose exactly those two names. As you know some rumors link Oscar Isaac’s character with the Millennium Falcon so these might not have been random at all.

 

 

Well, that’s it. I don’t know about you but I’m almost convinced that Adam Driver is playing  Solo’s son. And he could possible be seduced by the Dark Side so that he’ll indeed end up as a villain and probably saved at some point. Still this is just a speculation for now so treat it that way. What do you think? Who is Adam Driver playing in Episode VII?

 

 

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  • dandino8100

    lol when Viral first told me about this I thought it was our first look at a main cast member in official costume. guess we will have to keep on waiting!

    Oh and Furst :p

    • Bnon

      No one gives a sht if you posted first. We aren’t kids playing in a sandbox.

      • Name

        Who posted first, Han or Greedo?

    • Anonymous

      “Furst”

      Oh look, it’s 2006 again. Great.

  • It’s a Trap!

  • Why Wing?

    Looks more like an H&M model than Han…
    Good to be back commenting after a long weekend away :) Guess I missed a lot of good stuff while I was gone!

    • Yep.

    • Pomojema

      Mainly a bunch of rumors (some of which most people hadn’t heard of) and a huge flamewar over the PT’s quality (business as usual). But nice to have you back, in any case.

  • Anonymous

    If anyone actually thinks that these photos/tweets/’source rumours’ are genuine clues to characters or plot, than all I can say is “I’ve got these oil leases that are guaranteed to be worth millions very shortly, but because I’m urgently in need of capital, I’m willing to offer a 2% share for a small investment…”.

    • gpawnday

      Yeah, they are like UFO sightings. Ninety percent of them are probably hoaxes or could be dismissed. Still, it is all we have to go on.

      • Only Ninety percent?

        • gpawnday

          As far as UFO’s go, around 10% remain unexplained. As far as rumors go, I wasn’t planning on keeping count.

          • Oh, i thought you were getting at something else.

          • Anonymous

            That because they just haven been explained yet.

  • Anonymous

    he sure as hell didn’t get that nose from his daddy Han

    • Attila

      No? Really? Look at Ford’s nose in the picture in this article! Nearly the same shape…

      I think Driver looks awesome in the new photo.

      • If you look that other photos of Ford and Driver you can see that their noses don’t really look the same.

        • Anonymous

          Ah, this argument is ridiculous! I mean, nobody really nose?

  • Master Faus Nola

    I’m probably asking for too much but… Jacen/Darth Caedus please!!!!

  • Shawshank

    You know, for the first time I can see how he may well be Han’s son…which if the two rumors about Driver being the bad guy as well as the rumor that Han and Leia had an older son who was thought to be dead but instead is being trained by MvS are true, this could be very interesting.

  • obiwantstoknow

    They said they are not using expanded universe. But they could pull bits and pieces from it if they wanted to. This looks like it could be the case. Though I doubt they will use the name Jacen just to make it a point of not using the extended universe character. Just “loosely” basing him on Jacen. I kinda like the Lea of him falling to the dark side if it does turn out that he is solos son.

  • Anonymous

    I never understood why people thought he didn’t look like Han Solo. I honestly think he could easily pass as Han and Leia’s offspring.

    Same coloring as Carrie fisher and Harrison is definitely a little long in the the face. Harrison’s nose isn’t exactly small either.

    • He does not look like them. Unless Han as getting it on with some other woman it doesn’t work.

      • I dunno… I usually don’t put much stock into rumors but I do see a resemblance… it almost feels like they photo-shopped his face to look harrison ford. It sort of reminds me of how they made Jason Gordon Levitt look like Bruce Willis in Looper.
        Not that I think that’s what they will do… but this doesn’t seem to be the most subtle hint.

      • truth

        They tried to get Harrison and Carrie to make a kid together after ROTJ for a future Starwars film but they refused. We will have to settle for an actor that isn’t the offspring of the two OT actors and doesn’t have a perfect combination of their features. Sucks, huh?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I would say the cat is out of the bag there, going by that GQ cover. Familiar clothes or not, it is going to be so hard for the new cast to win our hearts to the same extent as the original cast, though..one easy solution- keep old master Luke around for most of the new trilogy, money in the bank.

    • Darth Vedder

      Um, actually there’s like a gazillion kids out there that the new cast could win over, just like the original cast won over our hearts when we were kids. And yes, even like the PT cast won over the kids of that generation.

      What’s more, I bet Disney’s also counting on the $$$ that a new generation will bring to their bank account. You can rest assured that they did not purchase SW only to please a few (or many) adults in their late 30s to early 50s.

      • Anonymous

        Goodlooking ‘kids’ – throw in a smouldering romance, and you might even snare the Twilight fans also.

        • Darth Vedder

          Oh, there will be romance in the ST, you can be sure of it. Han-Leia was a pretty good one, actually. Anakin-Padmé was terrible, but it is a central part of the saga, nonetheless.

          Also, I guarantee that Disney couldn’t care less if the ST brings in the Twilight crowd, the Potter crowd, the Hunger Games crowd, or anyone else, just as long as theaters are up to full capacity when the ST films are released.

          I also couldn’t care less of who’s seated beside me at the theater when I go see Ep. VII. My only concern is that I like the film.

  • DEKKA129

    Like Shawshank, the GQ cover is the first time I’ve seen Driver looking anything like Han’s son. And it’s not the clothes (though they amp up the resemblance a bit.) It’s Driver’s expression, particularly that vaguely smartassed smirk. In that one image, I can see where he might work visually as Han and Leia’s son.

    I’m still not 100% convinced, though. Unless I’m having some hallucinations that I didn’t deliberately sign on for, I’m pretty sure that I recall the JediNews rumor as being rather old, and I’m not sure that it necessarily jibes with more recent rumors we’ve heard about Driver’s character (which make it sound like he’s already a key villain at the beginning of the movie.)

    But… it could be that the older rumor ends up being the one that holds water. That GQ cover certainly lends at least a bit of support to the idea that Driver could be Han’s kid.

    • Dekka, you should really open a window, that mind altering gas leaking into your vents. But i just have one question for the people who think this could be Han and Leia’s son. The popular rumor is that Daisy Ridley is the daughter, does he look like he could be her brother ?

      • Anonymous

        Irrelevant. Luke and Leia didn’t really look alike either.

        • They do more than Dasiy And Adam, and Mark’s face got messed up pretty bad in a accident after A New Hope.

      • DEKKA129

        My window is wide open, compadre. ;^)

        Look, we see actors cast all the time in movies whose characters are supposed to be related to one another and yet who don’t look anything like each other.

        Does Adam Driver look like Harrison Ford or Carrie Fisher? Not really. Does he have some facial features/expressions that are reminiscent of Harrison Ford? In that GQ cover photo, IMHO he does. It’s possible that the thing was photoshopped a bit, or that they just happened to catch him on a good day.

        Does the notion that Driver could be Han and Leia’s son jibe with the rumor that Daisy Ridley is their daughter? I’ve certainly seen siblings that look even less alike than those two before. But then again, we’re looking at a boatload of different Episode 7 rumors these days that don’t necessarily line up with one another.

        My answer to your question is, who knows? Absent any more specific info from official sources, we’re all just kicking around ideas here anyway.

      • truth

        I agree. They should use genetic material from both actors to create a new a actor just for this film.

  • Silver

    This rumor could be completely false.

    However it’s possible to have siblings that look very different from each other.

    I have three kids, my older two take after my wife. My younger child takes after me. They don’t look all that much alike.

    Not to mention that it’s possible they just went with who impressed them acting wise and the physical look was secondary..

    • Yeah but he doesn’t look like Carrie Fisher , Harrison Ford or Daisy Ridley.

      • Dr.WhoCares

        Mark Hamill did not look like James Earl Jones :)

      • John

        It’s also possible that Daisy Ridley isn’t Han and Leia’s! That rumor is also complete speculation!

        • Name

          True

  • Silver

    Agree on Fisher and Ridley.

    Disagree a little on Ford. There are certain aspects that kind of fit. But now you’re talking Hans family tree and what they looked like and how that could play a role genetically to get the differences.

    Which would be applying an “ultra realistic ” filter to the situation. SW has never been about ultra realism. So they could do it and say screw it we’re not going to over think it.

    Or it could be false. I have given up trying to actually guess.

    Friggen mystery box.

    • Which aspects other than hair?

      • Silver

        The only major differences I see are the nose and length of the face. Everything else, while not spot on, is close enough to pass IMO.

        • Nose in length but not shape , ears are different , chin , jawline, cheek bones all different.

          • Silver

            Different yes, but not that different. Genetics don’t always add up to a mirror image between parents and children.

            It’s not an extreme difference. Least not enough of one that if they wanted him for the role and he impressed them they would pass him over.

            It’s not like say if Gleeson was rumored as a Solo child.

            • Its different enough to be immersion breaking for me.

              • Silver

                Lol

                Well that isn’t something I can debate one way or the other.

                Knock on some wood?Buy a rabbit’s foot?

  • Kerot

    When I first found this page I wrote my personal dreamsenerio regarding Ep 7. It contained Han Solo going a bitt dark trying to save his boy who had gone to the dark side. Rumorvice Im dead on so far.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve been pinning Driver as Solo’s son for a while… but if that is so, I bet he won’t be the big bad for an episode or two.

  • As him being the lost now evil son of Organa/Solo, Let put it this way. Luke never told you? I’m your son. Doesn’t really work.

  • Shawshank

    Driver: You never knew your son, did you?

    Solo: My son is dead!

    Driver: No, Solo, I am your son

    *they embrace as Driver ignites his lightsaber through Han’s stomach*

    This is obviously where they’re going with this if the rumors are true.

  • Plus the hair looks very Han Solo-ish too… this just seems way too deliberate unless if Lucasfilm PR is trying to toy with us.

    As for him not looking like Ford… (which I think He does) why not use other films with families as examples: The kids in Jurrasic park… look nothing like the parents. Kids in American Beauty… nothing like their parents. Captain Kirk vs. parents in Abrams Star Trek reboot… no similarity. I think Driver is similar enough, but I guess we’ll see. I usually don’t put any faith in rumors… particularly plot based… but this is a little different.

    • I don’t think it showed the parents in Jurrasic park? As for Chris Pine he does look like Chris Hemsworth.

      • Oh damn I think you’re right… I thought one of the people in the park with the kids was a parent… the blonde woman was the mom I thought? Or were the kids there with grandpa?

        I think the Chris Hemsworth resemblence factor is on par with Harison & Driver comparison… lets be fair haha. I like Driver… I think He’s a very talented actor and hope he gets a lead role. I don’t care if He’s Solo’s son or not, I just think this GQ cover was intentionally blunt… or else they just chose an ironic image to present for a future Star Wars star… but I don’t think they are that dumb. Well we’ll find out I guess.

        • The old man that owned the park was their grandfather, their parnets weren’t on the island.

    • Kerot

      If I Worked at Lukasart, I would fuck arrown like this. Dressing up the actors inn every way to trow the gossipsites and the fans inn all directions. i would actually hire someone to do this.

  • jj Domenech h

    The rumor is true! Now everything fits! Han dies. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Han’s son passed to the dark side, as happened with the previous generations. I think that Oscar isaac is a friend of them, and finally is who takes charge of the Millennium Falcon! Everything points to that so. Not?

    • Ceruleanlord

      I agree and Oscar is Daisy’s love interest.

      • Anonymous

        ….and Boba Fett’s son.

  • Ceruleanlord

    Adam Driver may be an older son while Daisy Ridley and Pip Andersen the younger twins.
    Anakin Solo older, Jaina and Jacen younger.

  • Anonymous

    If you take Driver out of 70s cartoon mode, the resemblance to Harrison will be more apparent. :P

    • Well, Luke looks like Brett Cullen in that cartoon photo so… recast?

  • Anonymous

    Dressed like Han? He is wearing vest, this is the evidence he is a solo? PUKE

  • Sabalan

    It will take some getting used to if it’s true that Driver will be Solo Jr. Can’t wait to see the old characters personalities bounce off each other again in another trip in the Falcon. I want to see Han and the walking carpet argue again! Has anyone wondered what our beloved blue/silver domed friend will be up to In Episode7?

    • gpawnday

      I was wondering about Artoo’s role as well. I’d like to think that he is going to be with Luke, unless Luke is on a mission to discover the origins of the Sith. In that case, I think Luke might leave him behind with Leia and possibly Threepio. Maybe Threepio helps nanny the kids like in the EU?

  • Anonymous

    Well, he certainly looks the part.

  • Joffre

    I think Carrie Fisher doesnt look like Natalie Portman at all. Perhaps the auburn hair. I think Leia looks more like Shmi Skywalker, her granny. As for Solo’s son, he is tall like Anakin, isnt it? perhaps he resembles more to his granfather, too…

  • Jim

    if any of the leads are going to be Harrison’s son…Driver is the best candidate. He has similar hair and eyes.

    They resemble each other.

    They look more similar than Connery and Ford did in Indiana Jones.

  • Anonymous

    The cartoon reference was just harsh, this isn’t TMZ.

  • Sheik Yerbouti

    Since the days of the first casting news I imagined Driver as Han’s and Leia’s son.
    And I’m almost covinced that Isaacs character will ultimately a good guy. I Imagine him as Drivers friend or co-pilot or something,and they travel around with Han. And Driver will at some point be jealous at Driver :p can totally see that coming

    • Shawshank

      Driver will be jealous of Driver? So he speaks to himself.

      Like Gollum…

      So Andy Serkis is mocapping Adam Drivers alter ego.

      Hmmm….

      • Sheik Yerbouti

        Lol,I meant that driver would be jealous of Isaacs character

  • DaveOlden

    DRIVER
    (pulling out blaster)
    Now that I have gone to the dark side, I have to tell you: I am your lost son! Prepare to die!

    SOLO
    (Pulling out his blaster)
    I know.

    As we CUT TO BLACK, we hear gunfire.

    • DaveOlden

      ….the lights come back on, showing burnt holes on the walls behind both of them.

      DRIVER & SOLO
      You missed!

      Han puts his arm around the boy’s shoulder and as they walk away from camera…

      SOLO
      Well…one thing’s for sure.

      DRIVER
      What’s that, Dad?

      SOLO
      We’ll never know who shot first…

      FADE OUT.

    • buddha

      If Driver were Han’s son, its clear to assume that he shot first, unless he got adopted

  • Alexa Chunder

    He looks like someone took a Keanu Reeves texture and mapped it onto a PlayStation 1 character model.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think GQ would have access to such privy information….

  • Anonymous

    Ha, ha. crap, vest from a suit, what blouse underneath and already everyone is excited that it looks like Han

    • Actually the whole outfit is the same. You can hardly see it but the trousers are blue as they are on Solo’s image. And that hair cut…

  • Darth Hound

    I’ve noticed the resemblance since he was announced. Here is a comparison I put together a while ago of Ford, Driver, Fisher, and Ridley. Once you see Ford and Driver beside each other, I think the resemblance is pretty clear. There is a little bit of resemblance to Fisher too.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnpBHy2IMAIhE7U.jpg:large

    It’s easy to forget how odd Ford can look at certain angles. Just look at that crooked nose. Same with Tom Cruise and his off center nose and teeth.

  • Anonymous

    Nothing against this Driver guy and i think he is a good cast but man he is a ugly dude, but with cool hair.

    • Anonymous

      By the way I never understood why Harrison Ford hated the Han Solo role, this part made him famous and a big star and with the ankle break accident he will hate the role a little bit more. It’s stupid to bite the hand who feeds. Now another thing, if you look at the last 20 years, he lost his acting ability, he did only weak/boring movies, last good movie with him was The Fugitive imo. I hope he pulls off a good acting one more time. After the Movie he can go to a retiment home, nothing against it.

    • Hope

      I agree. I’ll be disappointed if he is their son.

      • Shawshank

        Ford has always (rightfully so) thought Solo was a very one dimensional character and thought he should have been killed a long time ago.

        That’s why he dislikes the role. This is probably the most likely reason that Solo will die in this movie or at least, very early in VIII.

  • buddha

    if theres deliberate misleading, its right about there. Because its simple but still deliberate

  • Anonymous

    He looks nothing like Han or Leia or anyone from Skywalker familly.

    • Anonymous

      Correct he looks like really different.
      He don’t must a g

    • Anonymous

      I think I disagree.

      I think his long nose and crooked smirk definitely have a Harrison Ford quality to them.

  • Ian

    All it takes is a little logic and pieces start to fall into place. Ask yourselves why JJ&Co would hire several principle actors without auditioning them first. Maybe it’s because their strength in prior roles is what their hiring was based upon. If Oscar Isaac has a history of darker character studies, do you think he was brought on board to play an upbeat nice guy?…….if Gwendoline Christie is known for her tremendous physical ability, do you think she was chosen to play a regal damsel? I not giving anything away, just asking you to pay attention. It’s not starship science :)

  • Anonymous

    “Han and Leia had two children, a boy and a girl. Though they weren’t twins. The elder boy was said to have died in childbirth, but was secretly raised by Max Von Sydow’s character. A girl, “O…..” was born a few years later. The male child won’t appear until the next film [which takes place several years later]. This is why only one offspring has been cast for Episode 7.”

  • Anonymous

    Could it be that GQ is simply predicting that Adam Driver will make a big impact as a pop culture icon on the scale of say, Harrison Ford; making him the “Han Solo”-esque character of the New generation, playfully implied through the outfit they put on him?
    Whether or not he is biologically related to the Solo clan is besides the point. The point they’re trying to make is that he’s a “hunk”

    • I

      It’s easy to make someone look like a “hunk” in a photograph, or on a magazine cover; That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to come across on screen.

  • Anonymous

    Luke to Leia in Return of the Jedi ” In time you’ ll Learn to use that power too ” If Leia has Jedi powers or is learning about the force then is the whole Solo romance thing said to be a forbidden thing ? The same with Luke too and speculations about him having offspring/spouse

    • Silver

      Romance being forbidden was a Jedi of old rule.

      Luke and/or Leia would be under zero obligation to follow such a rule.

      Where they could choose to follow it who would say anything if they didn’t? They would be free to rewrite the rules as they saw fit.

      • Mr. Anonymous

        Plus, they knew absolutely nothing of that old archaic and misguided rule.

        • Darth Vedder

          Yeah, such a misguided rule that it was precisely a Jedi in love that brought the galaxy down in flames.

          I wonder how many times that could’ve happened in the past, had the Jedi been STUPID enough to let the members of their Order become vulnerable to the dark side through the fear of losing their loved ones or the pain of actually losing them…

          • Silver

            The “human element” involved makes either path one that could lead to the DS.

            There will always be individuals who won’t /can’t control those sort of emotions. You also have to look at the role Palpy played in manipulating the situation. It wasn’t simply the relationship in and of itself that caused the issue. Had that not been there Palpy would have found another way to turn him.

            • Darth Vedder

              Yes, Palpatine could have found another way to turn Anakin, alas he didn’t. Like it or not, Lucas decided for Anakin’s fall to come through attachment and the fear of losing the woman he loved. So, no offense, but I see no point in speculating further on that subject.

              As for individuals who can’t control their emotions, this is precisely the reason why any monastic Order has its potential members thoroughly tested before initiating them. And folk who were found not to be strong enough to join the order were never initiated in the first place.

              SW is not the exception in this sense. Even the Jedi would expel from their ranks those Padawans whom they felt that weren’t mentally strong or disciplined enough to be part of the order (i.e. Asohka Tano) before being raised to knighthood.

              Once initiated, warriors sworn to serve monastic orders (in fantasy and real history both) were always forced to take poverty, chastity, loyalty, etc. vows during their initiation. Examples of this from the top of my head include the Knights Templar, Shaolin Monks, and ASoIaF’s Night’s Watch and Kingsguard knights.

              Part of the reason for this was so that knights/warriors sworn to their respective orders would NOT have any vulnerabible/weak points, such as families of their own for their enemies to exploit.

              When you add to that the possibility of falling to the Dark Side (something that is obviously exclusive to the SW universe) and the damage that we all saw that a Jedi could do once fallen from grace, then the need to take these sort of vows becomes even more imperative.

              Obviously Lucas meant for the Jedi to make an exception in Anakin’s case, based on the kid’s enormous raw power. And the Jedi paid dearly for their mistake, as we all know.

              Now, again one might agree/disagree with Lucas’ choice here, but that would have nothing to do with the fact that the Jedi were supposed to be NO different to their fellow brethren from similar orders of spiritually inclined knights/warriors.

              And all the folk who keep hating on the PT Jedi for their very stern and stifling ways, would be wise to do some research in this regard, so that they all can understand the reason why Lucas designed the Jedi Order as he did. Doesn’t mean that anyone has to like it. It just means that it makes all the sense in the world, based on historical accuracy concerning this sort of order.

              • I

                And what does all this teach us? Stay away from women.

              • Silver

                Where you can put the fall of Anakin on the relationship trying to pin the fall of the Order and/or the Republic itself on it is an oversimplification. Those two things have as much, if not more, to do with Palpy spending years manipulating everything on multiple levels. It’s not a black and white issue.

                And there is plenty of reason to speculate when it comes to how/why Luke/Leia would wish to rebuild things.

                Not allowing such attachments, no matter how good the intentions, doesn’t actually solve the issue. In the case of Anakin it helped Palpy have an angle to use against him.

                Having it out in the open would allow actual communication which would limit such fear. Which is an important point of discussion when talking about the future of the order as oppose to simply walking the same path as before which was hardly perfect.

                • Shawshank

                  The PT shows us exactly why the Jedi Order had no problem with having sex, but a huge problem with severe attachments. It leads to desperation in many cases and is an easy door to the darkside.

                  That’s why I think it’s absurd that people think Luke would abandon the ways of the old Jedi Order simply because “love” redeemed his father. The only “mistake” the old Jedi made was allowing Anakin to train. ..and never addressing the serious emotional issues he had.

              • Mr. Anonymous

                I understand the historical significance of Shaolin Monks, Knight Templar, etc. and their model for the Old Jedi Order.

                But looking at the issue strictly from the story that was actually told in the GFFA, again, no one ever told Luke or Leia about this supposed rule against attachments and their own experiences taught them their attachments and love for one another conquered the dark side. So why should they be constrained by some rule that they never heard of and that goes completely against their own experiences? It makes no sense that they would be hamstrung in that way.

  • I

    “His identity could be revealed in the next movie”

    Excuse my French, but there’s no fcking way in hll they can pull off a brother/sister like secret (over the the course of two movies) in this day and age. People are just way too clever. Not to mention they’ve had over 30 years of movie conditioning to prep them. This isn’t 1977-1980.

  • Galvin

    Adam Driver as Ford’s son just feels right. It is the first rumor that seems better and better every time I think of it.

    He is an ideal candidate for the anti-hero, plus he has a great comic sensibility that reminds me sooooo much of Harrison.

    I think that he will be the crux of these films. He has the depth to cross over to the dark side and return, while being completely sympathetic the whole time.

    Han Solo’s death would cast a shadow over the new trilogy while also being tied to Driver’s character.

    My guess is that Luke saves Daisy’s character, but her brother(driver) is lost to the dark side. It would create echoes of Vader, but be completely new.

  • Darth Vedder

    @Silver,

    I know that the fall of the Republic and the Jedi is far more complicated than that indeed. Anakin’s fall was just the icing on the cake. And the Jedi were also to blame for much of what happened, due to them being blinded by their own arrogance, as Yoda would put it. But arrogance is not the same as having a faulty Code. It has nothing to do with the Jedi Code and the vows that every single spiritually inclined warrior has to take when joining a monastic Order.

    Of course there is plenty of reason to speculate about what Luke and Leia have been up to since we last saw them celebrating in the Ewok village. Especially now that the ST’s just around the corner. I never said otherwise, so I don’t get what that has to do with my original point.

    Palpatine did not take advantage of the Jedi non-attachment rule to lure Anakin to the dark side. Quite the contrary, it was the fact that Anakin was so attached to Padmé that he used against him.

    Lucas wasn’t reinventing the wheel here when he decided to make the Jedi a monastic-type Order. Buddhists have had a non-attachment rule of their own in place for nearly 3000 years now. And I don’t see their communities falling apart because of it. What they do have, however, is a choice. A Buddhist monk is free to leave his order at any given time, for any reason that he deems fit to do so. Ditto for the Jedi. Didn’t Dooku walk? Wasn’t he part of the so-called Lost Twenty?

    Anakin could’ve walked at any given time to be with his beloved Padmé too. The problem was that he wanted the best of both worlds. And I’m sure that we all know that you can’t always have it all in life. So the imperfection does not lie in the Jedi ways. I’m sorry to say this, but the imperfection lies in those fans who actually believe that the Order should’ve worked just as if it were a modern, real life entity, where employees are obviously allowed to have a life outside work.

    • Shawshank

      While I agree with much of what you said, I disagree that the Jedi were blinded by arrogance.

      It was stated many times the growing influence of the darkside clouded their ability to have foresight within the Force.

      “the darkside clouds everything.”

      Again…those who hope Luke will “learn” from the mistakes of the Old Jedi Council are fooling themselves. There wasn’t significant fault.

      • Darth Vedder

        Agreed, but Yoda did say that the Jedi had been blinded by their arrogance. I don’t think that comment was related to their inability to discover the reemergence of the Sith, but that they probably felt invincible or indestructible. And so they failed to see how vulnerable they really were.

        As for Luke, I agree. Moreover. I expect him to be gone for long periods of time, researching the whole history of the Sith and Jedi in the ST, though I don’t expect to see him gone missing, as rumor has it. Much less do I expect to see him be captured by some new Sith. If anyone knows that the Sith should never be underestimated, that’s got to be Luke, precisely.

    • Silver

      “Palpatine did not take advantage of the Jedi non-attachment rule to lure Anakin to the dark side. Quite the contrary, it was the fact that Anakin was so attached to Padmé that he used against him.”

      Anakin felt trapped. Now granted it was his own choices that got him there but it was the rule itself that set up the wall. He couldn’t go the Obi-wan or the Masters and say he needed help. It was there that Palpy got him. He was there for him. He listened to him. He didn’t judge him. So when the time came where he had to make the choice -Jedi or Sith- he went with who was “there” for him. If he had the ability to turn to Obi-wan openly how different could the situation have been? The rule was part of the puzzle and played a big role in the situation.

      My stance isn’t based on attacking the old order. Life is a forward moving process. Something being the right choice at one point in time doesn’t mean it will by default always be. The PT makes it clear that the Jedi were failing long before Anaikin fell. The DS was pushing them out because it evolved and they didn’t. Now obviously there is a lot more to that then one rule. However it seems reasonable that those raised outside the old orders rules might view the galaxy a bit differently. The risk of the DS is there no matter what. A rule doesn’t stop it.

      As for the speculation comment I misread a comment of yours. So my mistake there.

      • Darth Vedder

        I can totally see where you’re coming from, and I agree. I would only insist that Anakin was trapped only because he wasn’t smart or mature enough to do what was right: walk away with Padmé, even long before she pleaded with him to do so in Mustafar.

        So it wasn’t the non-attachment rule that was at fault here, because the rule did not forbid Jedi from leaving the Order. If you want to play for the team, then you obviously have to play by the rules. Again, it was Anakin’s own greed and desire to have it all that was his undoing, IMO. Palpatine just knew which strings to pull.

        As for Luke, I don’t see him with a wife and a kid or 2, as in the EU, though not because of the Jedi’s old non-attachment rule, obviously. I just think that he would’ve been very busy all this time, researching the mysteries of the Force, the history of the Jedi and Sith. To rebuild the Order after his own fashion, perhaps, based on his discoveries and what feels right to him, doing/following the will of the Force as opposed to living a more normal life.

        • Silver

          “Again, it was Anakin’s own greed and desire to have it all that was his undoing, IMO. Palpatine just knew which strings to pull.”

          Where I don’t disagree completely with this with in the context of the story would walking have done anything? Palpy still would have been after him.

          The rule’s flaw is IF something like Anakin happens the individual is left without a support system of those with more experience to help them. Not that it’s some evil rule.

          Would the Jedi not work with/Help a Master who had a Padawan killed? To ensure their emotions didn’t get the better of them? I don’t see a big difference personally.

          As for Luke, where I would say it’s debatable he couldn’t do both, I don’t have huge issue with the path. So long as there is an explanation as to how he came to that choice that fits the character. Would also add a personal choice he makes for himself doesn’t mean he would force(yuk yuk) it on others.

          My hang up is less he must have a wife/child and more the explanation needs to be more than “it’s the Jedi way” or “It’s what Obi-wan did”.

          • Darth Vedder

            Palpatine would still have come after Anakin, if he walked, agreed. But that doesn’t change the fact that it would’ve been the smart thing to do, IMO.

            Losing a Padawan must have been very hard on a Jedi Master indeed. But let’s not forget that all Jedi, save for Anakin, had been raised as members of the Order at a very early age. I’m sure they were taught how to overcome their pain, the way that Buddhists are taught how to deal with the pain of loss, sexual desire, greed, etc.

            That’s not the same as getting married behind the Order’s back, however. If Anakin and Padmé had been discovered, he would’ve been kicked out of the Order in a pinch, and they both knew it. He could’ve confided in Obi-Wan, off the record, as friends more than master and apprentice, if you will. But Obi-Wan was such a by-the-book stiff that Anakin knew he couldn’t trust him with his personal issues. Don’t forget that he did take his concerns to Yoda, though. He just decided to overlook Yoda’s advise because he didn’t like what he was hearing, IMO.

            Luke’s lifestyle (assuming he’s a sort of loner, recluse, a la Obi-Wan) should be easy to understand, as long as it’s a matter of personal choice, and not because he’s following a rule set by a long-gone organization that he didn’t even know the first thing about (at least as based on what we all saw him taught about the ways of the Jedi in the OT). I agree 100%.

  • Anonymous

    Not that I’m really crazy about about hearing another midichlorian count but Leia’ must be pretty damn high. I think it would be kind of cool to see her use the force in another way( other than communicating with Luke) igniting a lightsaber would not be so bad either

  • Silver

    @Shaw

    “That’s why I think it’s absurd that people think Luke would abandon the ways of the old Jedi Order…”

    Personally it has more to do with the fact that he(and Leia) both grew up outside the order/”normal”. There is a reason the Jedi took kids at a young age, so their ideas would be seen as the norm. Without that up bringing that rule seems extreme. The explanation of “that’s just what Jedi do” puts a bit too much focus on the title and not enough on what see of them as characters.

    Not that following them is not an options for the writers, they may very well go that direction.

  • Ceruleanlord

    The movie will take place 30 years after ROTJ. Adam Driver is 30 years old, assuming his character is the same age he would have been conceived and born after the battle of endor.

    30 Years would be the biggest gap between any of the movies. Disney can go in any direction they want to fill in the gaps, as long as the story is better than any other EU story written.

    To say that Luke or Leia would never produce any other heirs, in that 30 years, to Anakin’s force heritage would be disappointing. The major conflicts would need to be a family issue.

  • Ion

    Its about continuance, parallels. Only one Skywalker needs to have offspring. All of them reproducing makes for a messy storyline. There’s also the issue of intuition, and what feels right. What makes more sense, that Luke suddenly has kids after no prior relational status on screen, or that he remains disciplined to the Force (as it were) paralleling prior character traits and aligning with the classic story, which the film makers have stated they are after?

    It doesn’t matter how many years have passed, whether it’s 3 or 30. What matters is what the audience remembers about tbe characters.

    • Silver

      There really isn’t any reason it would be messy. Plenty of reasonable explanations that would work if that’s the direction they decide to go in.

      The line between parallel and rehash is thin. Now it’s a talented group so there are ways it can be done well. However, imo, Luke shouldn’t simply “be obi-wan” he needs to be the mentor while also fitting with his own character development from the films.

  • Dac-183

    Probably the most intelligent comment I’ve seen so far. Though I would disagree about the time span. A lot happen in thirty years.

  • Ceruleanlord

    The time span between TPM and ROTJ is 36 years, look at what happened in that time.

    According to the movies Luke did not know much about the Jedi order, except what Obi-Wan and Yoda told him. Other than those two the only other Jedi he knew of was his father, and he had two children. Anakin believed what Qui-Gon Told the jedi council about him being the chosen one. He was different and more powerful.

  • I

    Assuming the holocrons are still intact, Luke (and/or the sequel offspring) could find out all they needed to about the past, including those recordings of Anakin reeking havoc. In theory.

    • Darth Vedder

      I don’t even know if Holocrons are canon anymore. Not that Luke & Leia would need those holo-recordings to know all about the past, though.

      Unlike 3PO, Organa didn’t have R2’s memory wiped. And since he was Anakin’s sidekick during the Clone Wars, I’m sure Luke & Leia could find out all about their parents through recordings stored in R2’s memory.

  • Silver

    Don’t forget that he did take his concerns to Yoda, though.

    That sort of illustrates my issue with the rule honestly. Anakin went to Yoda because he was worried, about Padme and himself, and because honesty at that point would have created even bigger issues, he didn’t get the help he was looking for needed.

    Yoda gave him a generic “let go” jedi speech, which wasn’t helpful. At that point in time it was beyond beig taken care of like that. A different approach was needed which never took place.

    Now obviously Anakin was going to fall because that’s what the story called for. However as a general examination of the rule it seems open communication would have gone a long way to avoiding several key issues.

    Which does fall on Anakin as well but both his personality and the rule helped create the end result. It wasn’t just one thing.

  • Ceruleanlord

    Attachments are weaknesses. Anakin had his with his mother and Padme. Obi-Wan had his with Qui-Gon. Yoda had his with all the Jedi.
    Yoda let them go. Obi-Wan felt he had to train Anakin. Anakin redeamed himself with compassion for his son, after he knew Padme gave him a daughter also. Luke’s compassion for his sister is what made him attack Vader in ROTJ.
    I would hope that the only woman Luke ever loved or kissed would not have been his sister.

    • Silver

      I would say SW does a good job of showing attachments can be either. The question that gets raised is simply -are they worth it? Up to the individual to decide.

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