Dave Filoni Answers Questions About the Epic Star Wars Rebels Season 2 Finale and Beyond
Star Wars: Rebels season 2 just ended with a spectacular finale a few nights ago that left fans hungry for more. The series took us on a wild ride with and amazing storyline that had the crew of the The Ghost taking on the Empire and Inquisitors. The impressive finale titled ‘Twilight of the Apprentice’, had a major character finally coming face to face with her former mentor who fell from grace. The episode may prove to be one of the most talked about of the entire series.
Producer David Filoni answered questions with io9 regarding the series moving forward and how the show will tie in with the movies. Filoni also even gave io9 some great teases for season 3.
Read on for some of Filoni’s response:
*SPOILERS AHEAD* If you have not seen “Twilight Of The Apprentice”, turn back now!
From io9.gizmodo.com
What happened to Ahsoka Tano?
Is she alive? Is she dead? Unsurprisingly, since her fate was left ambiguous on the show, Filoni wouldn’t give an answer. But he would say this: “I’ve already been devising certain specifics around the future of that character, where she is, what’s happening, if she dies, how would she survive if she did? All of those questions. I think they eventually need to be answered—but I wouldn’t look to that, frankly, anytime soon.” he said.
Did Ahsoka’s battle with Darth Vader have any lasting impact on that him?
“I personally have never felt that anything changes Vader until Luke,” he said. “The Vader that we encounter in Rebels was always meant to be the one devoid of emotions, except for anger, hate and suffering. That he was so trapped inside himself because of the terrible things that happened. Anakin never thinks of himself as betraying his friends. He sees it as his friends betrayed him and the Republic. He has to live on that side of the fence because the truth is just too damming. “So he wants to destroy Ahsoka because she represents his past. She represents knowledge of who he was and he wants to wipe that out. His son represents a potential future because his son wouldn’t know who he was. So he could build a new galaxy together with his son. His apprentice is his past and he needs to destroy her.” Oh, and if you’re wondering if there was a temptation for Ahsoka to call Vader “Skyguy” in the episode, Filoni admits there was. But tonally, it was such a fine line, they decided against it.
Is Ezra Bridger turning to the Dark Side?
“He has to deal with [the Dark Side] as everyone does,” he said. “We’ll have to see. I think Ezra has been trained well by Kanan, but there are some big repercussions for them [in the finale]. No one really came out of that unscathed. Ezra was bewitched and deceived a bit by Maul, and Kanan… went down a path that lead to him being blind. But we will deal with those things pretty head on. They’re very important to the story.”
Is Darth Maul back?
Hell yes, he is. And in a big way, too. “We tend to lean more towards Maul being the foil on the Darker side of the Force for our heroes in the next season,” he said. “You will see more of Maul, which I think is a great thing for the show.”
On the identity of the Grand Inquisitor
“The Grand Inquisitor was a Jedi Knight,” he said. “He is one of the temple guards that arrests Ahsoka when she is accused of treason against the Jedi Knights. And he is also one of, more importantly, the Temple Guards in Clone Wars that is with Anakin when he fights Barriss Offee and arrests her for treason. So he is one of the two guards, I believe, that escorts her into the giant courtroom where Palpatine is overseeing everything. So he hears Barriss’ complete speech about the corruption and the state of the Senate and Jedi Order. And that is kind of like a seed that gets planted in his mind about she’s right. And when Order 66 comes out, he further realizes how right she is about all of the corruption. So it was like the beginnings of his descent into the Dark Side.”
Are Ezra and Kanan alive during the time of the Star Wars movies?
“Yoda says, ‘When gone I am, the last of the Jedi will you be.’ ‘Of the Jedi’ could be a group of Jedi. You don’t know… That’s not to say I believe there are a lot of Jedi running around by Return of the Jedi. I think there are Force-wielding people, but whether they subscribe to the Jedi philosophy of how you use the Force is another question… But fans deal in absolutes, like Sith.” “She does say ‘I am no Jedi,’ very clearly,” Filoni explained. “So if she says that and Yoda later says ‘When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be,’ he’s definitely not talking about her. There were so many options of lines to give in this episode, and one of them along the way of the season was that Ahsoka would mention that Yoda wouldn’t think of her as a Jedi because she’s not, necessarily, practicing that path any more. She’s still in the Light Side, for sure, but she’s not a Jedi practitioner per se.”
How much are they looking at the events of Rogue One?
One of the most important things that has less to do with the timeline of the story itself, is I want the awesome things in [director] Gareth [Edwards]’s movie to be special when it comes out,” he said. “I would never want our series to get ahead of that. Whatever you see in that film, with our time periods being closer, we want to make sure there are things that make sense between the two and we’re very careful about that as we’ve been with A New Hope. Things we are doing are leading towards that.”
What’s coming up in season 3?
“Season 3 introduces some titanic differences from the other seasons we had,” he said.“You’re going to start to see the struggle of this Rebellion take even stronger shape. We’ve kind of been scaling that up every season underneath the character development, but it’s clear by A New Hope that the Rebellion has gotten pretty organized and a lot larger than the Empire thinks it is. So one of the ideas running about is there’s a group within the Empire, and you kind of see this portrayed in A New Hope in the Imperial Fleet, when they say ‘These Rebels are a threat,’ and then he says ‘To your star fleet, but not this battle station.’ So there’s a division within the Empire [about] how dangerous the Rebels are. And we need to kind of get us up to earning that. So you’re going to see a little bit more of an increase to what the Rebellion is. “We are [also] going to delve a bit more into things with the Mandalorians and Sabine’s story,” Filoni said. “Sabine’s story will grow greatly in importance in the third season, and she kind of comes up to stand next to Ezra as far as being an important player on the show. And she isn’t as much a supporting character, which I think is a great transition for her as a character.”
Finally, does he know how it all ends?
“We have Rebels figured out all the way through now,” he said. “Even if things change along the way, I want to know where we’re headed in the story. That’s not to say the story can’t change as the characters reveal new things about themselves, but I need to know where the story is being delivered. If we’re telling a multiple season story, I want to know where this kid is going. Why does this kid exist for us? Why was Ezra so important we had to tell a story about him? And we’ve evolved that.”
Make sure to go to io9 for the full exciting interview.
“You’re still here? It’s over. Go home. Go.” – Ferris Bueller
Ok! You still have LOTS of questions. More questions than answers, in fact. Your in luck, Dave Filoni (executive producer), Simon Kinberg (producer, writer), Ashley Eckstein (voice of Ahsoka Tano) and Taylor Gray (voice of Ezra Bridger) answered even more questions from a Q&A session at the Walt Disney Studios in Burbank, CA during the Finale of Star Wars: Rebels, Season 2. Amy Ratcliffe, writer for The Nerdist, starwars.com and podcaster on Full of Sith moderated the event.
Check out the entire Q&A here:
Will Ezra and his ongoing efforts to avoid being tempted by the Dark Side of The Force be his downfall?
Star Wars Rebels season 3 will premiere on Disney XD later this year. The novel “Star Wars: Ahsoka” will become available for purchasing on October 11th, 2016.
Stay tuned for more Star Wars: Rebels news here at SWNN.
May the Force be with you…
I wonder in Season 3, if they have Sabine and Ezra going on adventures together without the adults. Kanan and Hera have their missions they do together without the kids. I would like to see Ezra make choices that he has to make without Kanan’s guidance. A Zeb, Chopper and Rex missions would be fun to watch. I am so excited for SWR season 3.
2010s Writers are finding that Jedi Code (90s PT) was very restrictive about male/female relationships, or any kind of relationship.
Young Anakin must be thinking “could you have though about that before!”…
No questions about the ridiculous helecoptor lightsabers ? Lol.
My kids even started giggling. Not a good sign.
I want season 3 to start out immediately following the last episode with Vadar returning to his master in his damaged state just to see the reaction. Since we have Maul wrapped fully back into the story, I would like to see him make a move against Vadar and Sidious, perhaps more carefully orchestrated than his attempt to grab power in the clone wars that ended very badly for he and his brother.
Sabine, more important, film ties… Knights of Ren……
She’s Wren not Ren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6HYzfEZPXc
Saw a vid that saw they are not force users so could they be a incarnation of the mandalors
Link please.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6laTxUe6hqU
You’re right!
That IS too much of a coincidence!
Also, when we last saw Maul, didn’t the emperor say he had plans for him?
Yea then Maul escaped in Son Of Dathomir
He said he had plans not what kind it could mean he justs has plans to destroy him as it looks like he did in season2 final
That makes no sense. Palps JUST finished killing Savage before telling Maul he had plans for him. If his plans were to destroy him, he would have done it right there and then while he was already getting his killin’ on.
Exactly.
Made to suffer before doing him in
Maul got away in Son of Dathomir, the same comic in which Mother Talzin died.
Well that explains the mystery of where we first saw The Inquisitor.
But we don’t know WHICH of the two Temple Guards he was! The mystery is killing me! JK
It’s kind of a copout. I figured he was in III.
Where?
As one of the Pau guards.
Not being what you expected/wanted doesn’t make it a copout. Do you understand what that term means?
I like Filoni but he’s the Count of copouts. He pulled the same shit by implying Rex is in Jedi. There’s no way he knew that guard would be an Inquisitor when it was animated it. It was not only a copout but anticlimactic much like Dumbledore being revealed as gay after the series was done.
My god this is one stupid show 🙂 ……or no. If it stays in cartoons and “that other Star Wars universe”, it could have unicorns and Peter Pan and I wouldn´t care 🙂 but pretending that THIS is part of the movie Star Wars universe…..please :-)))) not in mine for sure.
No one cares.
It’s part of mine and many others, if you don’t like it, then dont watch it. Simple.
Why? What part of it makes it so “stupid”? Also, there is no “that other universe” after the unified canon. These stories are as much a part of the Star Wars history as the films.
Until now Cartoons were after the trilogies, so they were covering Gaps of movies, Clone Wars is clear about that.
But now they started before the new movies and trilogy, it would not be a surprise that topics, facts, even characters were advanced in Rebels.
Good thing you own nothing of the SW universe.
“not in mine for sure.”
When will people like you and Cw realize that you don’t decide what’s canon and what’s not? You may not like it, but you don’t get to just DECLARE that it’s non-canon.
But I can DECLARE it’s CRAP ! Just my and many others opinion.
Of course you can declare that it’s crap. It’s the canonicity that can’t be contested.
Pretty much confirms that Ezra is a major player in the Star Wars universe. He has to be someone we see in the new trilogy or a tie in we don’t know about yet. He’s going to have an impact for sure though
I don’t know….
I bet if they do a poll in Rebels audiences, who they would like to appear in the New Trilogy, I think Ezra could get many voters, high %.
In Rogue One, most of the if not all characters.
No, I completely disagree. Rebels only gets over a half million viewers. Keep that kiddie cartoon stuff FAR away from ANY movie !
I agree. Though for the record, I’m sure that Rebels would get a lot more viewers if it were on Disney Channel instead of Disney XD.
About what are you disagree?
I mentioned Rebels audience, not Star Wars audience.
Read better before posting.
I have always believed (as Filoni says above) that “the last of the Jedi” that Yoda speaks of before he dies was ambiguous enough that it could have meant a minority of Jedi remaining…not just Luke. Now Filoni has also spoken of it, and it reinforces my belief that there are more that just faded into the woodwork after Order 66 and became anonymous….and I believe that we may see some of them in the upcoming movies.
“Last of the Jedi will you be” After I die, YOU will be the last of the Jedi. Nope, that’s not ambiguous. And how does “well, I guess some of the Jedi got killed off, but however many we need NOT to have been killed off weren’t” work dramatically? It lessens the Empire’s brutal rise to power, and it lessens Luke’s importance – it’s weak storytelling.
Keep in mind that statement came from a time where we all had the assumption (And to be honest Lucas probably operated under it) that a light side Force user was a Jedi. It’s just what you were.
Now canonically the Jedi are treated as a specific order of Force wielders. 30+ years later, Luke may have well been the last of the Jedi, but not Force users.
Ahsoka is no longer a Jedi, and we have no idea what becomes of Ezra and Kanan.
Yoda could have been mistaken in his statement to Luke. He also said “The Dark side clouds everything.” Yoda’s ability to reach out with the force to every single Jedi could have been blocked.
In a way, it’s more believable than what we originally thought. EVERY SINGLE Jedi getting killed by mere clones? Doesn’t seem believable.
I just love how he said ” fans deal in absolutes, like Sith.”
He hit the nail on the head.
Filoni’s only way of saving this show was to bring in as much and as many CW characters as possible. He did fine working under Lucas, because he was on a leash. For me, Filoni has created too many issues in the past and taken too many liberties with what was said in the OT as ways to be able to tell his stories. And be honest, how many good stories have come from Rebels??? you could count on one hand. He should have stuck to a 6 episode season, and probably just used Kanan and maybe a couple others minus Ezra to lead the rebellion.
Ezra was a weak character to begin with and that hasn’t changed much as time has gone on. I’ve always compared him to space Alladin and my thoughts haven’t changed much. Loved the last episode but only for reasons of inclusion of “Legends” and Maul’s part to the story.
In what way does Ezra even resemble Aladdin anymore?? that he once was a street rat and thats it. If you cant see that, then you clearly the one who is confused.
guess I’ll just have to stay confused…awful character for SW.
Have you seen his face?
http://i.stack.imgur.com/EgPVR.jpg
Im talking about characteristics. attitude, motive. Thats what makes a character not looks.
Well he’s a parent-less rogue who steals food and escapes the authority policing his home in the process (in the first episode). Seems pretty Aladdin-ish to me.
No dude, it’s the whole concept of Disneyfied characters. That will NEVER be star wars to me. Of course I’m not a 7 year old girl so I really hate most of the show. And I liked TCWs. I call crap when I see it.
He only brought in two Clone Wars characters. 2.5 if you count Maul, who is both from the films but then expanded in the TCW.
Rex will most likely stay, but Ahsoka is now gone. Vader had more impact than Ahsoka alone, or Maul, or Rex. He’s going away too.
They didn’t bring in TCW characters to save a successful show that was already renewed for a second season. They brought them in after having received the blessing from Lucas Film to use those characters. The story group had wanted to stay away from all things Prequel with the new direction they had mapped out in preparation for the launch of new films. Then they softened.
Counting cameos, we have
Anakin
Obi-Wan
Luminara Unduli
Hondo Ohnaka
Ahsoka
Captain Rex
Gregor
Wolfe
That’s a lot more than 2.5.
Cham syndulla.
keep in mind that season 2 was picked up by the same company that owns it. The highest ratings for the show peaked and then dropped sharply for season 1. I believe that is when they softened to the idea to bring back some viewers. Of course it is all theory on my end.
But an awful lot of filler episodes and only 2 or 3 decent episodes with the finale really paying off. (minus Ahsoka living). Still thinking they should cut back to 6 or 8 episodes.
Still hope that Vader slaughters Ezra (Aladdin)….lol, thought you’d like that!
Oh, I did.
But I agree. Filler episodes. Which are fine for me at least, but they didn’t pace it well. Many filler episodes at weird intervals that bogged down the story.
Thing is the are just using force jump to reach places easier. More specifically downhill
In Legends, Palpatine could fly. I loved [playing as him in Battlefront for that reason.
This episode was good, but unfortunately, it reveals that Obi-Wan Kenobi was either the most inept being to ever attain the rank of Jedi Knight, or he was a Sith so powerful that he was even manipulating Vader and the Emperor. Kenobi failed to check for a body on Naboo, and by assuming that Maul was dead, saved him to unleash mayhem further down the road. Then, instead of killing Anakin when he had the chance, Kenobi walks away and the guy goes on to murder billions. What a doofas!
that’s all thanks to Filoni writing Maul back to life…as much as I like Maul. They should have let his story end in TPM.
Ahh yes. But did not George himself have supervision over The Clone Wars, where Maul first reappeared as a nut-job Cyborg at the bottom of a garbage pit? I might also point out that Kenobi once again failed to kill Maul in that series, leading to him taking over Mandalore and killing Satine.
Though I agree from a plot perspective, I disagree from a character perspective. Maul is a much more interesting character now that he’s been fleshed out in the animated series.
Agreed!
Filoni has now managed twice to leave the most popular character in an animated series, Ahsoka, in the air. What a douche bag. No, really. The season finale was both good an disappointing at the same time. It’s like he’s getting some type of enjoyment out of doing this. Terrible writing. The best thing he has done for REbels so far is to bring back Ahsoka after terribly writing her off in TCW, and now just as terribly he left her for dead. Sigh…it’s like Star Wars can’t catch a freaking break from terrible writers who only care for their own personal agendas. I’m not asking for gratuitous fan service, but give us all a break already.
If you’re going to talk the talk, walk the walk and share your spec script please.
Uh, I don’t think she was left for dead. I’m pretty sure that’s her in the temple entrance after we leave Vader limping away.
Their own personal agendas? What, you think he’s doing this to smite YOU? What “agenda” do you think he has? Take off the tin foil hat, now.
I enjoy rebels, but I’m not going to lie I kinda hope it wraps soon, especially since these shows are being treated canonically. Trying to parse Yoda’s words to squeeze in keeping Ahsoka alive in the future is pushing it. Let’s be honest the gravity of Luke needing to succeed in his mission is predicated on the Jedi being the only ones that could stop the Emperor and Vader. You lose that sense of urgency that the Jedi are the last hope if you have former Jedi, not fully trained Jedi, and the apprentice of a technically Jedi Padawan and a plotting Maul still lurking around A New Hope…
I don’t think it’s necessarily “The Jedi” that are needed to stop Palpatine and Vader. But more specifically, Skywalker’s offspring (Luke and Leia, moreso Luke). Clearly Luke became a great threat, and has become a greater threat to the Dark Side by the time of TFA.
The Jedi Order (which could be what Yoda refers to as “the last of the Jedi”), is technically gone by Return of the Jedi. Kanan, Ezra and Ahsoka are not part of the Jedi Order. Kanan might be closer to still being considered “a Jedi”, as well as Ezra being his padawan. But Ahsoka left the order, and therefore strictly speaking ISN’T A JEDI.
You don’t need to be a Jedi to be a light side force-wielder. Rey kinda proves that in TFA.
Absolutely DT, but my point is that when ROTJ came out it was clear what Yoda’s intentions were, not what they “could be”. Trying to fill in that “could be” is what makes the prolonged existence of a canonical series problematic. Rebels isn’t serving necessarily to tell a particular story with a solid beginning middle and end, which doesn’t undercut Luke’s role. While they may have an overarching idea of where they want to take things, there’s room for things to change still and get into silly territory.
What makes the OT so compelling is that the Empire is this overwhelming power and the entire hopes of the galaxy are pinned on one person being able to make the right decisions that lead to the restoration of the Jedi and downfall of the Empire. That loses it’s power some if you have 3 heroes somewhere out there ready to take a crack at it too, because we see that even not being a Jedi Ahsoka is still in the fight, and you can theorize that Kanan and Ezra simply aren’t going to stop their fight either.
Long story short it doesn’t make sense for them to live concurrently with Luke, it undercuts what we’ve learned of them as heroes, and undercuts the importance of Luke and his path.
If they needed the son to persuade the father back to the light side then yes but they only wanted luke to kill Vader and ahska could have likely accomplished the same thing and had a familial relationship with Vader too
What, that’s ridiculous that the inquisitor wasn’t wiped out in order 66. Is Rebels trying to say that the Emperor and Vader went around asking Jedi if they were in favor of the empire and then if they said yes, they spared them?! That’s ridiculous, Dave. Totally ridiculous. Palpatine was all about the rule of 2. Now, if you want to change that now, given how they wanted to turn Luke to their side as a “power ally” then fine (in fact, that might be better since you have so many darn inquisitors out there, which is such a liability to Palpatine to be honest.)
Dave, you should make an episode that address all this, like have palpatine talk about how he is so powerful the feedble inquisitors can’t even betray him if they wanted. The Force Unleashed game did a good job of showing that and working in Vader’s Apprentice into the mix – even though it isn’t canon anymore.
Or maybe Palpatine just sensed that the Inquisitor was torn and had “special plans” for him (Maul style) so he started the Inquisitors. It’s a pretty sensible conclusion and it only took me a second to come up with, so….
I don’t believe the show should have to rely on your theory to come up with something that made a mess of the simplicity of episode 3 and 4 and the uniqueness of Vader. It reeks of fan service to stick all these dark siders in and come up with silly reasoning and work around a for them not being sith but still existing despite rule of two. Needs to be better addressed in the show. My advice is to address rule of two and have palpatine decide to move away from it so that by the time of Luke Vader thinks like will join the two of them only to be betrayed by palpatine in Jedi when he tells Luke to stride down Vader and take his place.
Maybe. That seems convoluted as well. Either one is fine.
Not really and no that would mean he started inquisitors prior to order 66. And also why wouldn’t he made he inquisitor his apprentice rather than a half burned shell of a man with no limbs. The emperor is smarter than that and makes clear by Jedi that he wants a better apprentice than Vader. Dave it rebels is full of contradictions and is overly convaluted.
Vader is more powerful than the Inquisitor, so he’s Palpatine’s apprentice. The Inquisitor is strong and susceptible to the dark side, so he becomes the first Inquisitor. It’s simple. YOU are over-complicating it.
Trust me, all these extra Jedi and dark sides running around is over complicating things enough without me. Clearly people have brought this up since the first inquisitor was announced and it’s been a big concern since it contradicts the OT. You just sound delusional defending it at this point.
You say delusional. I say “able to comprehend slightly complex concepts).
But whatever.
It’s really not that hard to comprehend. The issue is that it contradicts the OT and muddys up the waters. And it’s not necessary.
Doesn’t contradict.
Kinda does
Doesn’t.
And you can’t even spell convoluted when you have spell check available to you.
Vader is still unique. The Inquisitors don’t infringe on that. They don’t diminish that. They are also not Sith, nor do they occupy the same role as a Sith. They’re disposable Force Users trained in the Dark Side to hunt other Force Users and convert them to the Dark Side or kill them.
Frees up Vader to do important things. Like crush the Rebellion, hunt Luke Skywalker, try to kill his Master.
Are you insane? First of all you just keep arguing in circles. You’re not going to change my mind because your argument fails to grasp the point of what I was saying. You’re arguing semantics and not understanding the big picture. This is demonstrated by your constantly stating that the sith and the inquisitors are called the same thing. Well duh. They have different names but they are basically doing the same function. Because you keep pointing out that they have different names you are either insane, stupid, or can’t admit defeat.
Second of all its called autocorrect fail. Third, wow, 3 comments I must have hit a nerve. After like a week of not hearing from you I’m sad to see you crawled out of your moms bed to join me again. I recommend going back under the covers with her to play hide the lightsaber before I have to school you further.
Btw rebels takes place before Vader finds out about Luke or makes an efforts to kill his master. His role is to hunt down the Jedi. That is made clear in episode 3 and episode 4 if not elsewhere. I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned this already, which is a common theme with you, but you’re saying that Vader is so weak that he can’t hunt down a few straggling Jedi? They need 16 or so inquisitors? You know it kills the point of the rule of 2… It’s a cheap workaround based on the technically of a name. The show wanted some dark siders for kanan to fight but couldn’t use the word sith so they created the “inquisitors”. It’s plainly obvious to everyone but you.
And the empire is responsible for destroying the rebellion. Vader really doesn’t jump into that role full time until empire strikes back and even then he has time to set a trap for Luke.
Also, hunting down other force users and turning them to the dark side isn’t important? That’s such a retarded statement I don’t even know where to begin. There really is no point in speaking to someone who is as ignorant about Star Wars as you.
Vader does more than hunt down Jedi. And there’s more Force Users out in the galaxy than what’s left of the Jedi Order. He can’t find and kill them all. We’ve been over this. I’ve explained this to you.
You’ve made the incorrect assumption that any Light Side Force User is a Jedi. There are simply beings in the galaxy during this time frame that are Force emergent. The Emperor has these individuals hunted down, and there’s a lot of them. Just because he defeated the Jedi doesn’t mean that new Force sensitive individuals won’t be born across galactic civilization and discover their powers. This also does not make them instant Jedi.
The Inquisitors and Sith ARE NOT THE SAME. Not in name. Not in function. You’re the only one who keeps trying to say that’s my point, when it’s not. Again, you don’t read. You just hurl insults and babble about how you are completely unable to realize the inconsistency of your arguments. Over, and over again.
Again, having any number of Inquisitors does not affect the Rule of Two. Inquisitors are not Sith. They’re not SITH. THEY ARE NOT SITH. They are Dark Side Force Users. That’s it. The Sith are MORE than Dark Side Force Users. They are a secret cabal trained in specific ways to use the Force, ways not passed on to the Inquisitors for fear of making one or more of them too powerful and a threat to Palpatine. Get it yet? or are you just going to go on about names names names.
My guess is names.
He didn’t jump into that role full time until..when? Remember the beginning of A New Hope? What was he doing there? Capturing a Rebel ship, and fighting..the..Rebellion…He’s fought the Rebellion in legends. He’s definitely now fighting the Rebellion in the new canon. There’s a book that explores it, Rebels explores it, and Rogue One is about to explore it.
Do you..enjoy being this wrong? I mean is it fun for you?
I’m far more informed about Star Wars than you, bro. I think you might have figured that out two weeks ago when I continually stomp your lack of knowledge and patent ignorance into the ground over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
“You’ve made the incorrect assumption that any Light Side Force User is a Jedi.” Show me exactly where I say that.
“The Inquisitors and Sith ARE NOT THE SAME.”
I have always said they are basically the same. Clearly, YOU don’t read. The inquisitors are a lame work around to the rule of 2. And most people can’t tell the difference.
Dude, I don’t really need to hurl insults at you when you do such a good job of acting like a moron on your own. And sadly I do read your posts… but there’s no substance!
Two Sith.
An Inquisitor is not a Sith.
Also, stop talking to Filoni as if he actually visits these boards and reads our posts.
Actually Filoni does come to this site, and he also watches Rebel’s recap…………
He already admitted he does. And if not him someone can pass the message to him. Also don’t tell me what to do and not to do. Further, inquisitor/ sith same difference… it’s a technicality.
No, it’s not a technicality. They are not the same thing. Do some research.
And then maybe you’ll figure out that no, Dave doesn’t visit these forums. Nor does he have someone visit them for him and pass your messages along.
Dude they essentially serve the same purpose. I understand you love it but youre clearly blinded.
Further I didn’t realize you knew Dave. He has admitted he visits the fan forums and so do others at Lucas. This is a fact. But I guess you know something everyone else doesn’t and are calling Dave a liar?
No, they don’t serve the same purpose. And no, they aren’t Sith. I’m not blinded, you’re ignorant of Star Wars lore. Feel free to do some research to ground your argument rather than just telling me I’m wrong.
You’ll discover how mistaken you are.
I don’t know Dave. But I do know he’s a busy important guy, and he’s not on these forums reading your questions and preparing to answer them. So I guess if you want to look ridiculous, keep asking your imaginary friend to answer your questions about how he runs his imaginary show.
They’re basically the same thing and like I said serve the same purpose. And unless you know Dave then I suggest you crawl back into your hole with Sean Hannity.
I know Dave well enough to tell you there’s actual video available of him explaining how the Inquisitors are not Sith.
True story. You’d know that if you spent a second on the internet instead of being willfully ignorant.
Bro you’re the ignorant one here. I understand the name inquisitor is not sith but like I said they basically are the same and 99% of rationale people would understand that. Dave can say different till he’s blue in the face… What’s he supposed to do say they are he same thing. I can’t even talk to you if you don’t understand that.
Well, you are finally right about one thing. You can’t even talk, because what you just posted makes no sense.
So let’s recap here. You’re claiming the only difference between a Sith and an Inquisitor is the name. Which is wrong, as stated by Dave Filoni, the man you claim to speak to in your posts here on this site, and Pablo Hidalgo, the current God of Star Wars Lore.
99% of rationale people would understand that Sith and Inquisitors are the same, even though the people who have created and introduced them into the Star Wars Universe state, quite clearly, that they are very different? That there are only two Sith? That the Inquisitors are Dark Side Force Users who are only given a limited amount of training so they can perform a singular task, hunting other Force Users and lost Jedi? That this limited power is bestowed upon them for the singular reason that they not become a threat to Palpatine?
But now the guy who created the Inquisitors, and introduced them into *his* show, that *you* talk to because he comes and reads your questions, can speak until he’s blue in the face about what an Inquisitor is in relation to a Sith and it counts for nothing because YOU said they’re basically the same?
You should probably stop talking now. Like, forever.
It’s like having the same conversation over and over with you mr self proclaimed ignorant. By your logic lets hit have a billion people running around the galaxy with dark side powers and red light sabers and same thing with people with light side and green light sabers.. As long as they don’t call themselves sith or Jedi? Do you think the galaxy at large knows the difference between inquisitor and sith and so forth? Oh hey look it’s darth Vader! So what I saw another one of those guys last week? Oh hey look it’s like sky walker? So what there’s a bunch of those guys around? But he’s a Jedi? So? But cadets a sith? What’s a sith? Someone who uses a red lightsaber and the dark side of force and will likely kill you? You mean an inquisitor? No a sith? What’s the difference? I don’t know.
You probably can’t understand any of this though.
Are you a troll? Seriously? Reading your jibberish makes me think you’re a troll.
Because you can’t possibly believe what you’re saying in it. It’s borderline insane.
And you do understand there’s a dedicated team of individuals called “The Lucasfilm Story Group” which looks over any introduction of new story elements and characters into Star Wars and makes it canon?
And they’re the ones who approved this? And also explain it in videos outside of Filoni’s?
The only one making a mistake is you; Inquisitor’s are not Sith. You’re welcome to research on the nature of a Sith and the history of their order. It exists, it’s easy to find. It’s even canon.
Luke is a Jedi because he was trained by Jedi in the ways of the Force. Had he never come into contact with a Jedi but started to hone his own abilities, he would be a Force User, not a Jedi.
Lucas already tore up the idea that Vader alone murdered all the Jedi with the introduction of Order 66. Now they’ve introduced the Emperor and Vader training Dark Side acolytes to continue to pursue the remnants of the Jedi Order and to find and put down any emerging Force Users.
Makes sense. Vader can’t be everywhere at once. It’s a fun concept. Also. Canon. Sorry you’re mad, brah, but it’s reality.
The show isn’t necessarily phasing out Inquisitors, there were more than just those three. But if they do, it’s to put the Dark Side focus on Maul now. Who you may have heard no longer considers himself a Sith, either. Just a Dark Side Force user.
Never suggested there were billions of Force Users out there, but there are probably quite a few. If not trained by a Jedi or a Sith, they are neither.
The galaxy has no idea the Sith have returned. And you’re just being willfully ignorant and angry that some of the Expanded Universe has been trashed and replaced with new, and actual canon.
Cry more. And harder. Doesn’t change how wrong you are. Rebels is canon. What you are talking about? Is not. And it’s also crazy.
Oh the irony of a good dude with a picture of Shawn Hannitty calling others trolls and insane! You do realize how stupid you sound that you can’t realize that I know sith and inquisitors do not share the same name right? That is not the argument. The argument again is that they serve the same function and having a lucasfilm story group go on and on how they serve different roles doesn’t change what is shown on screen. Besides if the story group came out and told you Vader was actually a woman would you buy it? Do you just buy everything you are told. Oh right you listen to Sean hannity… So yeah you do!
Now why would Vader need to be everywhere at once? The role of the inquisitor is to pretty much hunt down the remaining Jedi… But there aren’t that many and that’s basically vaders role. I don’t remember obiwan telling Luke that Vader AND the inquisitors helped the emperor hunt down and destroy the Jedi. Certainly not like 16 of them. See I get that you think they are “fun” and that’s why you are incapable of being critical and seeing how bloated and sidetracked the inquisitors plot has gotten.
I’m glad you assume my feelings toward the EU. Can’t come up with anything else to say so you just make stuff up. No surprise… Again, Sean hannity.
Dont even start on maul that’s nothing compared to the inquisitors.
Finally, moron I wasn’t arguing whether rebels was canon or not I was stating and giving examples of why the inquisitors are unnecessary, convoluted and ultimately a misstep to the show – canon or not. You’re argument of its canon so accept it and enjoy it is plain dumb. If only this show had the balls to ditch or cut back heavily on the force user stuff and live up to its promise. But you wouldn’t know anything about that.
Yes. You’re denying actual evidence from the people who create and canonize characters and story elements for Lucasfilm. That makes you certifiable and in complete denial.
And you’re changing the whole basis of your argument now that you understand you do sound crazy, which is funny. I’m laughing. Out loud. At you.
Maybe you should make another post asking Dave a question. I’m sure he’ll get right back to you.
You take the cake here for poorly constructed arguments, and that’s an impressive feat to accomplish if you’ve read some of these other peoples notions and supposed birthrights they possess that dictate how Star Wars should exist.
So again, you’re wrong. Inquisitors are not Sith. In name or function. I’m sorry you don’t like that, but it’s what it is. Also, it’s not a new concept, it’s something that’s existed in Star Wars lore literally for decades, they’ve just decided to bring it into the story proper.
Snoke? Not a Sith. Kylo Ren? Not a Sith. Going forward in the sequel trilogy Force Users will not be categorized into just Jedi and Sith. It’s the future of the saga, which is why they’re playing around with the concept in Rebels now. One, to get people used to Force Users not being apart of either of those two orders, two to expand the universe and make it more diverse rather than so narrow.
And finally, since you are so ASTUTE in your observations of my love for Sean Hannity.
Maybe.
Just maybe.
You should take a closer look at my profile picture.
You know what they say about assumptions. Which is all you run on, since you don’t seem to believe in facts.
TTFN!
What the heck are you even talking about? denying evidence? You mean where I said that because it’s canon it doesn’t make it a good idea? At this point you are simply talking to yourself because clearly you have forgotten the previous posts and are just making up talking points to debate that have nothing to do with what I’m actually talking about. I realize the futility of talking to someone who can’t even keep track of the discussion and yet I enjoy upsetting you so much.
It’s really pathetic that you are trying to reference snoke and kylo ren since that is like 35 years after Rebels and clearly I’m not saying there can’t be anything but sith. Im saying how the inquisitors diminish for me the impact that the sith have… You know what I have made my point time and time again. As far as addressing Dave read some of the other posts if you don’t believe daves own words… They also acknowledge that he does read the forums. And even if he didn’t it’s still a common way of addressing something which is to address the creator, which you would know if you had more than an eighth grade education.
You didn’t make that point time and time again.
YOU Were the one who changed your argument from the beginning of all this. Now you’ve finally started sounding like an actual human being with valid statements but you’re still wrong.
Inquisitors aren’t Sith. Which is what this WHOLE debate you started was about.
Now it’s “The inquisitors diminish…”
No, you said the Inquisitors are Sith. I told you no, they’re not. You said yes, they are, and it took you more than a week to finally formulate a cohesive argument that makes sense.
Filoni isn’t reading your posts. Inquisitors aren’t Sith. Do you want to continue to be wrong?
By all means. Post again.
Sad that your intellect has no ability to grow and learn and that you throw back the same “insults” I already hurled at you.
Again My point was that the inquisitors and sith are “basically” the same thing. I never changed that argument and the fact that you can’t read or comprehend isn’t my fault.
As far as Dave actually reading the forums clearly you don’t understand the concept of an open letter which has been done since the formation of newspapers if not before. How old are you? Btw there’s a comment below mine where someone confirms that Dave has admitting to reading the fan forums (which isn’t the point of an open letter) but since you don’t understand the concept, I thought I throw that it. Or you can just go to google. It’s ironic that someone who mentions it so much clearly doesn’t use it (or know how to).
At this point you turned a point I was making very clearly into an argument. And clearly you have no ability to argue your point or even make a point because you fail to understand the one I was making. Anyone reading these posts will see that you are an idiot and therefore I see no reason to continue trying to talk with someone so dumb they don’t understand the conversation. So from now on I’m not even going to attempt to help you understand. I’ll simply speak in terms you will understand.
Go back to school bud you need more education.
Posting an open letter in a forum where it won’t be read by the person it is addressed to is a silly thing to do.
You’re changing your argument again.
I’ve made my point multiple times. You’re welcome to scroll up and read it. Again, you resort to calling names and changing your argument. Again.
You’re hilarious. Thanks for the experience.
Are you just cutting and pasting my statements back to me? Wow. Once again you can’t prove Dave doesn’t read these forums. I choose to believe him when he says he does. Beyond that it’s a style of writing. Get over it.
Wait… Never mind… I just talked to Dave and said he reads the fan forums. So now go away troll.
Didn’t you just write me a post stating you never expected a response from Dave? Now you’re again defending the off chance that Dave Filoni reads these forums and is going to answer your ill informed questions when you haven’t even done the research on why he made the decisions he did?
Or the fact you still can’t comprehend that an Inquisitor is not a Sith.
Question Dave – if Ahsoka is no longer a Jedi (and I’m fine with that) what makes her different than a Jedi. I ask because she still, acts, talks and walks like a Jedi… and you know what they say…
My advice… set her apart. Show us how she isn’t a Jedi. It’s lazy to say she isn’t a Jedi but just have her act like one.
She’s not a Jedi because she left the Order, just like how not every Christian is Catholic. she’s still a Light Side user. But if she’s not a Jedi, then she’s not a Jedi. It’s as simple as that.
Yeah if Catholics had the same powers lol. You’re making an arguement that the show doesn’t have to distinguish her? Why? It’s a good opportunityto make her really unique in her outlook.
Why would she have some unique outlook? She WAS a Jedi. She’s not a part of the Order and therefore doesn’t follow its rules. That part has always been clear.
Exactly she SHOULDNt be following its rules yet she pretty much is. She needs a viewpoint that is different from kanan and the Jedi. Makes for better drama which is the point of tv.
And she does. She gets to take revenge and all that. but just because she’s not a Jedi, that doesn’t mean that she’s now a murderer who doesn’t have morals or anything like that. She’s still the same old Ahsoka. Acting out of character just for the fun of it would be stupid.
You’re delusional if you think walking away from the Jedi order and everything that happened after wouldn’t have changed her. And who says she has to be a murderer? There’s a big area between murderer and Jedi.
Well it would “set her apart”! LIke seriously, what do you want her to be doing?!
I’m not going to write the episode but maybe a little less stoic. A little more reckless perhaps. She acts like more of a Jedi now than she did as a Palawan.
She’s older and wiser. A stoic personality does not a Jedi make.
How about she form some attachments. How about that? Do you not have the ability to think outside the box and be critical? Or do you just go along with everything they spoon feed you. This show is a disaster compared to clone wars. It was rushed into production and looks pathetic when compared to rogue one which is what it should have been.
She’s clearly attached to Anakin. Lol, try to keep up. I know that Rebels is nothing compared to TCW, but Ahsoka is not a problem. Calm the fuck down.
Not a problem to you but i would call her attachment to Anakin tepid at best. I was thinking more a love interest as an example. Let’s use Assaj ventress as an example when she left the sith she was clearly a whole different person. I would like to see Ashoka be given that treatment and I’m guessing most people would agree, even those who don’t realize it. See the problem is many people ahem don’t have the vision to see beyond what they are shown so until the show takes ahsola to that level certain people ahem can’t imagine just how much better it would be.
All the Jedi Order is is a collection of individuals who have agreed upon a set of rules in how to use the Force to serve and protect the galaxy for the greater good and the Light.
She set herself apart in that last episode by stating she would avenge Anakin, who responded aptly “That is not the Jedi way.”
She wasn’t fighting in defense, she was fighting to kill, to put him down. That is not Jedi.
And how do you explain obiwan and yoda sending Luke off to kill Vader?
To balance the Force?
Proves my point.
Actually, it doesn’t. Far and away from it.
You think you’re much smarter than you actually are. Sorry to break it to you; but you’re not.
Listen moron all I know is I’m smarter than you. Because I use examples. You made a point that sending someone to kill another isn’t the Jedi way. Then I countered with both obi wan and yoda sending luke to kill Vader. Your response was No no no. Hence… You dumb.
That wasn’t what I said, nor was it my point. There’s no using in citing examples with someone who decides he is right, makes things up on the fly mid argument and provides no evidence to back up any of his own points.
And now you’ve resorted to calling me names. Because you’re wrong, and you can’t prove otherwise.
Good game.
You realize you are describing yourself right?
Haven’t called you any names. I’ve cited actual examples you can pop into Google and experience yourself on Youtube. What, do you want me to actually post the links here so you don’t have to work at all for it?
Again, wrong. Can’t prove otherwise. Hilariously in denial. Your tears taste like honey.
Calling you a moron isn’t a name it’s a description that fits based upon the content of your comments.
Still hurling childish insults instead of hosting an actual debate with any sort of fact.
Write an open letter to someone who cares, see if they respond.
2 things:
1. Read the posts. I held off on outing you as a moron until YOU dropped the first insult. Not my fault you got in over your head and can’t get out.
2. When did I ever say I expected a response from Dave? And obviously you care because you keep going on and on about it
LOL Are you kidding? Read YOUR posts.
They were cool, just laughably stupid. That’s all.
I don’t buy this whole “of the Jedi” nonsense…..that is bullshit. Yoda CLEARLY meant Luke was the LAST JEDI, and told him to pass on what he learned…Because he is the last Jedi…Period…. stop trying to milk these characters and,do what must be done Lord Vaydah…Wipe them out…. don’t try to retcon that shit like you did with Rex, Filoni! Kanan and Ezra were not helping Luke train new Jedi..and for crying out loud, Yoda and Obi Wan would have revealed their existence to Luke….” Well if you insist on going to Bespin to face the most powerful sith Lord whoever lived…Maybe you should go find my boy”s Kanan and Ezra, you don’t want to lose a limb or something!”…. it would make no damn sense! cmon Filoni! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!