Andy Serkis Talks Supreme Leader Snoke with Entertainment Weekly!
In their second exclusive story for the day, Entertainment Weekly speak with Andy Serkis about his villainous character Snoke in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, revealing many interesting and new details…
Excerpt from Entertainment Weekly:
Each character is always a collaborative process with the filmmakers and visual effects artists, but in the case of Snoke, the character’s look, voice, and movements evolved based on how far Serkis and director and co-writer J.J. Abrams could push the tech.
Snoke kept changing, not only through principle photography, but even after. (So any “early concept art” that may be floating around online is probably nowhere near what this dark-hearted character looks like.)
“Supreme Leader Snoke is quite an enigmatic character, and strangely vulnerable at the same time as being quite powerful,” Serkis says. “Obviously he has a huge agenda. He has suffered a lot of damage. As I said, there is a strange vulnerability to him, which belies his true agenda, I suppose.”
While Abrams has emphasized a return to practical effects on The Force Awakens, is Snoke perhaps a character who could have been played by Serkis in make-up?
“No, no,” the actor says. “The scale of him, for instance, is one reason. He is large. He appears tall. And also just the facial design – you couldn’t have gotten there with prosthetics. It’s too extreme. Without giving too much away at this point, he has a very distinctive, idiosyncratic bone structure and facial structure. You could never have done it [in real life.]”
If Snoke is a “damaged” character, that raises the question: Did his wounds come from the clash between the Rebellion and the Empire, seen in the original Star Wars trilogy? Serkis hesitates here, but then says he believes Snoke was outside of that conflict.
“No, he’s a new character in this universe. It is very much a newly-introduced character,” Serkis says. “He’s aware of what’s gone on, in the respect that he has been around and is aware of prior events. I think it’d be fair to say that he is aware of the past to a great degree.”
Stay tuned to Entertainment Weekly for their last piece later today about “Why is Luke Skywalker missing?”
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Up to this point I have no problem indulging in officially released materials. But since they havn’t shown anything about Snoke or Maz yet I have hesitated to read these two articles. So if someone reads this could you let me know if this is safe to read. Thanks
It’s safe to read. They don’t give much away.
Yep. Here’s a summary: Snoke is CGI and he’s a new character that we haven’t seen before.
yep, Plagueis has never been shown on screen before. that should change Dec 17th/18th. 😉
don’t read, gives a bit away about appearance and more, stay clear bud
Appreciate it! I looked at that early concept art that came out recently but in terms of who he is and his motivations are I don’t want to know. Snoke and Maz seem like two super interetsing characters so I don’t want to know too much about them.
so he IS that lizard guy?
Where is this from?
its concept art thats floated around for a while, dear God i hope this isnt the direction they go in… but snoke/snake? … same movie were getting a character called Captain Phasma
Thanks i thought i’d seen all the concept art,this escaped me it seems…..doesnt look legit to me,at least i pray it isn’t !
It is “legit”, however it is one of the very first concept art of Snoke. And like it is stated has changed many times over time. So it won’t look like that in the movie 😉
If it is I will fall over laughing. I can see snoke being “snakelike” and terrifying, but this is literally a snake head on a man’s body.
http://postimg.org/image/vd8c5ijaf/
JJ be trollin’
Cobra-La-La-La-La!
If this was the look of the character, he would need to be fully CGI. There would be no need for motion capture. Every character that Serkis has done is somewhat human looking to allow for expressions. #plagueis
“No, he’s a new character in this universe. It is very much a newly-introduced character,”
It would appear this is the final nail in Darth Plagueis’ coffin?
I’m not sure…
His being damaged and this quote, “He’s aware of what’s gone on, in the respect that he has been around and is aware of prior events. I think it’d be fair to say that he is aware of the past to a great degree.” make me think otherwise.
I kind of want him to be Plagueis but who knows maybe his character will be so good we’ll think of him in the same vein as the Emperor in years to come………
Exactly. Right now I really want him to be Plagueis just because it makes a lot of sense as the progression of the story, but there is always the off chance that a new character can become equally or even more iconic than any EU character. The “new character” seems to conflict with that theory, but him being very tall and having a distinct bone structure on his head seems to be in line with it being him. All we know is that he is ‘damaged’ and ‘strong in the dark side’. I see 2 possibilities:
1.) Snoke is a resurrected ancient Sith lord like Plagueis or Ruin.
2.) Snoke is not a sith and comes from the far outer regions of unknown space which was hinted to be the “source” of the dark side.
I’ll take number one please
Plagueis was mentioned in Episode 3…he has never been introduced. Just the description he gave completely sold me to the fact that this is Plagueis.
AHHHH IF HE IS PLAGUEIS THAT WOULD BE SO BADASS AND IRONIC I’M SO EXCITED!!!!!! He’s probably messed up caused Palpatine tried to kill him and failed!!
YES!!!
He is the only logical villain… To show that he defied death and Palpatine didn’t just shows how threatening this sith lord truly is…
It seems like he revises his statement to say he’s a “newly introduced character” – as in we’ve never seen Plagueis portrayed in the canon before
Is there any mention in Canon on how tall Plagueis was? Also, the fact he says that Snoke is “damaged” and “vulnerable” leads me to believe that he may have died already at some point, or is somewhat physically unstable.
There’s nothing in the canon that states definitively anything about Plagueis’ physical description. He’s Sidious’ master and that’s ALL that’s known about him, he’s just a name and everything else is a mystery… he could be anyone or anything with any name.
Plaguis has never been formally introduced, only just mentioned, so that statement is true.
hell no, this is not a nail in that coffin. quite oppositely in my mind, this is the helium that moves the balloon higher.
I can’t..
I’m so damn excited about this it’s ridiculous, I so badly want Snoke to turn out to be the presumed-dead master of Palpatine, and this interview makes me ever more hopeful it’s true.
YESS!! FUCKING YESS!!
It’s true. All of it.
And Jakku turns out to be Tatooine with one sun (just look at Battle of Jakku Battlefront teaser, where you can see twin suns).
Those people who have been so sure about everything happening in this movie since they are born, will have to accept that they are wrong, because little by little our stupid, non-sensical atrocious theories are turning out to be true.
I’m gonna have to avoid the “Why is Luke Missing” article as best I can. I feel ANY explanation at this point would be too spoilerish.
***Article Spoilers****
“The scale of him, for instance, is one reason. He is large. He appears tall. And also just the facial design – you couldn’t have gotten there with prosthetics.”
“Did his wounds come from the clash between the Rebellion and the Empire, seen in the original Star Wars trilogy? Serkis hesitates here, but then says he believes Snoke was outside of that conflict.”
“He has been around and is aware of prior events. I think it’d be fair to say that he is aware of the past to a great degree.”
I am sorry, with this description combined with the almost near identical staff, if he is not Darth Plagueis, then they are blatantly pulling stuff from the expanded universe just to copy it.
Because Plagueis is the only character that fits that description??? And how do you know the staff is his?
Because Plagueis is the only character that fits this description that is an already established Canon character. Because the staff is an almost exact replica of his.
His staff looks NOTHING like that staff. As for the character description: that description also applies to Yuuzhan Vong, Kaminoans, Besalisks, Lasats, etc.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ace40e34add3d318b8175c342939e9b31704af00c3ca6ddf287a8e7be12615b0.jpg
If they aren’t identical they are as close as you can get.
None of the characters you mentioned already have an established, canonical, unresolved, storyline.
Yeah. Those are not identical at all. Similar colors. That’s it. You turn something on a lathe and it will end up looking like either of those to some degree.
He never said it was based on an existing character. In fact, he said it was a new character entirely. You’re the one saying it’s a ripoff of Plagueis. All I’m saying is “tall” and “unique bone structure” can describe any one of a hundred different existing species in Star Wars. Or it could describe an entirely new one.
There is no way those staffs are that close to be an accident. I would say you are in the minority if you don’t think they look alike.
He said it was a “newly introduced character”. Which Plagueis would be to the movies.
Why is there so much focus on his staff? He used lightsabers, not a saber staff.
Call me stupid but what staff?, have we seen a picture of it from the film?
The one Rey is carrying around. Which could be what Kylo Ren is hunting her down for.
ahh ok well I’m not convinced of that to be honest but Serkis has certainly stirred the pot
In Rey’s interview she confirms it’s not Plagueis’ staff. It’s just an ordinary staff. Useful for desert stuff on Jakku. Nothing more.
R.I.P Snoke is Plagueis Rumour
not hardly. if anything, this kind of adds more fuel to that fiery speculation (IMO)
What do you see that kills that rumor?
Thank goodness.
This article basically describes darth plagueis.
That rumour ain’t gonna be dead and buried until the movie’s release.
I was one of the hopefuls. I agree I no longer think Snoke is Plagueis. Still doesn’t mean Snoke isn’t the Sith apprentice and Plagueis is the Sith Lord. Meaning Kylo isn’t yet a Sith for a reason. Only 2. Heh.
Sounds… awesome! =D
yes it sure as hell does
Well I didn’t believe he was Plaugeis until today. Just the fact he is tall, and a weird head shape.. that’s Plaugeis
I’ve been hopeful all along that it would be Plagueis and now I’m all but certain of it
Except Plagueis had already been fully designed and this character’s design has been evolving through the whole production.
Nope, there is no official look of Plaguis. Nothing that is canon atleast. So Plaguis could look like anything.
For the Plaguis believers: his design could be deliberately be “evolved”, just to trow people of.
exactly.
Didn’t they come out with a book with him on the cover?
Don”t hey have several comics that feature his established image?
Didn’t Lucas say he was the same race as that Count Chocula-looking Banking Clan leader from AOTC?
You’re right, however those books are no longer officially canon. Although I doubt they would throw all his back story/looks away. My guess is that the people at Disney/Lucasfilm will respect Lucas’ word, so if they were to bring back Plagues, they will use Lucas’ story.
A Muun appeared in the PT too. Rule Plagueis out guys! Snoke is a new character who I’m sure is more interesting and far more aggressive looking.
That book is not canon.. so technically they could make him look different or have a different background. He was only mentioned by name in the prequels.
Quoting Serkis:
“No, he’s a new character in this universe. It is very much a newly-introduced character.”
Sure, cause he would say “Yes, he is Plagueis”
A new character could easily be one we haven’t seen before. He’s only been mentioned in the prequels.
Plagueis doesn’t qualify as a “newly-introduced character” . It seems to be that the quote above puts an end to the speculation that Snoke might be Plagueis.
There are intriguing questions about Snoke though. First, how is/was he “seriously damaged” ? And what is his “true agenda” we keep hearing about ? I also wonder how much screen time Snoke will actually have in Episode VII. Maybe we’ll just see him briefly.
I’m not saying Snoke is Plagueis, I’m also not saying he’s not. But the statement “newly-introduced character” is not as unambiguous as you are stating.
Think he won’t feature much in TFA, think he’ll feature more in Episodes 8 and 9. General Hux appears to be his second in command, my money is on Hux doesn’t make it to the next episode.
Like Khan in star trek 2..isn’t?
Darth Plagueis never appeared in canon. He was only mentioned.
I still believe there’s more to Rey’s staff than we currently know. Rey is a scavenger and like Luke and Anakin Skywalker before her, is an expert mechanic. Think she built the staff herself, with items scavenged on Jakku. Most of it is junk except 1 maybe 2 parts, of which were remnants from some kind of imperial spacecraft, possibly connected to the dark side. She’s most likely unaware of that these are, but was subconsciously attracted to them.
Daisy Ridley said it is just a plain staff.
Wouldn’t be the first time an actor has told a porky before the movies release.
Who’s climbing the stairs in the background of the Stormtrooper shot? Kylo?
Looks like Kylo and a black stormtrooper? or an another member of the Knights.
It looks like Kylo in the foreground. Whoever is in the lead looks taller. Maybe thats the first look at Snoke? I would assume that Kylo would be first up the stairs if it was another knight
Only 35 days.
I think there is too much information from EW exclusive. I haven’t read the aricles. I will do the same with this one. I have enough with potos. 😛
I can’t believe the attachment people have to this Plagueis thing. It’s completely ridiculous. You are seeing and reading what you want not what is. Look at Maz for example, shes a totally new character who is OLDER than Yoda! There are going to be new characters in these movies that you know NOTHING about! Snoke is one of them guys!
Then why haven’t we seen Snoke?? We’ve seen Maz. We’ve seen Kylo. We’ve seen Max Von Sydow’s character. They’re all new. Why are they keeping Snoke a secret? Perhaps because he’s an 8 foot tall bald, half man half alien looking being?
I cant wait to come in here on the 17th and throw it in everyones faces
Just hold off until the 18th! I have my tickets for that morning. Haha
Scratch that. I have to wait until the 23rd to see it. Although, I’m going off the grid that whole week to avoid spoilers. Don’t worry, though. Dave is likely wrong, so he won’t be coming on here to say anything. Unless he’s fond of crow. 🙂
Can we just get an original character? Why do so many people want it to be Plaugeis so badly? Rey is new, Finn is new, Poe is new, BB-8 is new, Kylo Ren is new, Maz Kanata is new, General Hux is new, Captain Phasma is new, and HOPEFULLY Snoke is new…they are all way more interesting than a character pulled from non-canon EU stuff that people already know about…but that’s just my opinion of course
PREACH! Look at how many new characters there are guys! They aren’t using old characters who barely even exist at this point. They had multiple people write this for a reason. They had A LOT of work to do not re-use old dead characters and force them into the story.
Probably because Darth Plagueis is the most important character in the Skywalker saga and we have yet to see him or how his plan plays out maybe??? Darth Plagueis created Anakin Skywalker with the dark side of the force…(virgin birth)…so yeah…I would say that he is pretty crucial to the story at this point.Luke shit himself when he found out Vader was his father…can you imagine how he felt when he found out that His father and his bloodline were created by the darkside of the force and that is why he is so powerful?? So yeah…and BTW…Darth Plagueis IS CANON buddy..He was Palpatines master…………………………………..
“Darth Plagueis created Anakin Skywalker with the dark side of the force…(virgin birth)…so yeah…I would say that he is pretty crucial to the story at this point.”
We don’t know this to be a fact.
lol..yeah ok
The only time George Lucas has ever managed to convey a concept in the prequels without feeling the need to spell it out. Perfectly subtle dialogue that fits very well with Sith tactics. I would love Plagueis to be the ‘father’ of Anakin, and buy that theory whole-heartedly, until canon addresses it one way or the other. It would be the ultimate Revenge on the Jedi though. The Sith new about the prophecy, and went ahead and made it happen. And the Jedi bought and brought about their own destruction.
Anyway, nothing of this means Snoke is Plagueis of course. But it would be a nice connection to the rest of the saga.
I would prefer no connections to the prequel trilogy whatsoever. I hope the new trilogy complete ignores its existence as I have tried to do (unsuccessfully). In fact, I hope beyond hope that someday Disney will remake the prequels. Padme needs to be an antagonist. Just sayin…
Cmon man…it is not Rocket science…and it is pretty much a no brainer. In Episode 1, Schmi Skywalker claims that Anakin has no father and her pregnancy just happened and she cannot explain it. Claiming a virgin birth that matches up with the prophecy of the chosen one…. In Episode 3, Palpatine describes his master as being able to manipulate the force to create life, and sustain life.. Do you really think they threw that in there, accidently out of nowhere for no reason other than to tell Anakin there is a way to save Padme? lol,Something like that is completely intentional, a seed that not many people even picked up on. There is a reason why Lucas was so keen on keeping the PLagueis character around and revealing his story in episode 3 and claims that Plagueis is an extremely important character. People really just want to make it more complicated than it actually is.
I’m not saying that it couldn’t be true. Nor am I saying that it would necessarily be a bad idea. But it’s hardly a foregone conclusion that that’s how things went down. The Jedi sort of float the idea that Anakin may have been conceived by the midichlorians. Palpatine mentions that Plagueis had the ability to manipulate midichlorians to create life, but we really have no inherent reason to trust anything he says. Certainly the temptation, and maybe even evidence, is there to draw that conclusion. But I’m not totally sold.
But again, it’s not that I don’t like the idea. One thought kicking around in my head was of who Kylo Ren was addressing in the trailer. He states, “I will finish what you have started.” Because we’re looking at the remains of Vader’s mask when we hear that, it’s easy to assume he speaking to Vader. Perhaps he’s not. Maybe he’s actually speaking with Plagueis and referencing Plagueis’s plans that were aborted when Sidious intervened and stole the show for a few decades…
“People really just want to make it more complicated than it actually is.” – No. People just have their own ideas regarding what would make a compelling story.
That’s exactly what you’re doing: reading too much into Palpatine’s tale and making it far more complicated than it is.
The only reason why he brought up the whole Plagueis thing was to lure Anakin to the dark side. And obviously, Anakin wouldn’t have crossed the line just to learn Plagueis’ alleged power to create life.
That was only a way for Palpatine to introduce the point he REALLY wanted to ram home: Plagueis’ alleged power to save people from dying. And we don’t even know if Palpatine was telling the truth or if he made it all up just to have Anakin cross that line.
Thank you. I’d like to give you 10 likes for this.
Plagueis is not old at all. It was introduced in a dialog in the last of the films, and felt very WTF that such a character was alive during the prequels and we never get to see it. So yes, Serkys just gives more evidences that Plagueis is the baddy of the film.
And remember how JJ and Kasdan reacted when asked about this.
The only thing canon about your last paragraph is that Plagueis is a character (fictional or otherwise) in the Star Wars universe that was a Sith. Nowhere in canon media is Plagueis described as Palpatine’s old master. In fact, the entire story could have been made up by Palpatine.
Untrue Robb – the new Tarkin novel mentions Plagueis being Palpy’s master.
I stand corrected on that point then. The rest of it is just fan theory, and my guess is that JJ and crew completely ignored it.
yep, they are just going to ignore the fact that everything was all Plagueis’s plan all along..and just lead people to believe that it was all Palpatines grand scheme the whole time and pretend he never existed and was never mentioned ever…even though the trailer pretty much confirms the whole Plagueis theory. I am sure people such as yourself think that Kylo Ren is just batshit crazy and was just talking to Vader’s melted helmet like Osborne talked tot he green Goblin’s mask in Spider-man..He couldn’t possibly have been talking to Snoke/plagueis or anything…When he says” I am going to fulfill our destiny and finish what you started” as they show Vader’s helmet at that exact moment, it could not possibly mean that Snoke/Plagueis’s plan Started with Vader and the virgin birth. That would be impossible..i mean he was obviously just crazy and talking to Vader’s helmet right? he was going to finish what Vader started…even though Vader did not start anything and was nothing but a pawn following his master’s orders…that is still more plausible then some silly Plagueis theory that actually makes sense.
yep, they are just going to ignore the fact that everything was all Plagueis’s plan all along..and just lead people to believe that it was all Palpatines grand scheme the whole time and pretend he never existed and was never mentioned ever…even though the trailer pretty much confirms the whole Plagueis theory. I am sure people such as yourself think that Kylo Ren is just batshit crazy and was just talking to Vader’s melted helmet like Osborne talked tot he green Goblin’s mask in Spider-man..He couldn’t possibly have been talking to Snoke/plagueis or anything…When he says” I am going to fulfill our destiny and finish what you started” as they show Vader’s helmet at that exact moment, it could not possibly mean that Snoke/Plagueis’s plan Started with Vader and the virgin birth. That would be impossible..i mean he was obviously just crazy and talking to Vader’s helmet right? It was just a coincidence that they show vaders helmet exactly after he says I am going to finish what you started in two trailers because he was going to finish what VADER started right?…even though Vader did not start anything ( EVER) and was nothing but a pawn following his master’s orders…that is still more plausible then some silly Plagueis theory that actually makes sense.
Please come back at me when you actually know what you are talking about. thanks
I really think there are 2 factions of Star Wars fans, the ones that just watch the movies, and those of us that consume anything Star Wars (books, Short Stories, comics games, shows etc). And unless you have spent the last 3 plus decades invested in the EU, you wouldn’t understand why it’s important.
I’ve been a Star Wars fan since the late 80s. I’ve read and own many EU books/video games/etc. Got turned off big time by the Prequels, and haven’t really touched the Prequel-era EU. Loved the Clone Wars TV series, but everything else in the Prequel era is just a mess that needs to go away, IMO. JJ is NOT a fan of the prequels either, so I’d be very, very surprised to see any plot points from the Prequel era included in this new movie. I could be wrong, I just think I’m likely right.
Eh. Not cool. I like your ideas about Plagueis, but Robb does make some very valid points regarding exactly what we know (and what we don’t know) to be true at this point. Just because you guys disagree hardly means that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. This is a fun debate. Don’t derail it with insults.
Dave, yes, yes and YES!! I have been saying this all along! Plus, why haven’t we seen Snoke if he is a totally new character? My money is on Plagueis!
Plagueis is canon only because Palpatine told his story to Anakin. Nothing more.
Anakin was miraculously born to a virgin mother. That’s as far as our knowledge of his conception goes. There is absolutely no mention at any point in the 6 existing films of Anakin being created by a Sith Lord using the dark side.
If that were true, it means Plagueis would’ve had to do exactly as Palpatine described: influence the Midichlorians to create life. And since only Binks gets more hate from most fans than Midichlorians, this pretty much means that your theory is dead in the water.
So Shimi is like the Mary of the Bible in Star Wars and Ani is Jesus O_O
Or Shmi is like Cuatlicue and Anakin is like her son, Huitzilopochtli, God of War of the Aztecs, who was also supposed to have been conceived without a father. This Chosen One Born to a Virgin Mother concept isn’t exclusive to Christian lore. Not my problem that’s all you know on the subject.
Except one happened and one didn’t. 😉
I like that part about Luke’s bloodline. That would also give some weight to the question that apparently got JJ interested in directing: “Who is Luke Skywalker?”
What you said is exactly why I hope it IS plaugeis. We have dozens of new characters: Rey, Finn, Poe, phasma, hux, Maz, all the new droids and planets. We have plenty of NEW characters, we have one or two legacy character in Han and Leia with a bit of Luke… lets get a little love for the people who liked the EU, so far we have NONE of that and Plaugeis is the perfect character since he connects all the the PT, OT, EU and ST together. If he is a new character then he is just another new face that they have to build up. Sure he might be awesome as a new character, but I hope he isn’t.
Darth Plagueis the Wise. Yes it is him. Yes he is a new character. No you are wrong. If you don’t like it. Tough titties.
Snoke being Plagueis would be one of the greatest set up and pay offs in cinematic history. Kasdan, Abrams, and Arndt would be foolish not to have taken advantage of it.
The scene where Palpatine told the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise to Anakin may be the most intriguing scene in the entire prequel trilogy. If you were going to connect to the whole saga, Plageuis is certainly a more interesting part of the prequel story.
“…he has a huge agenda. He has suffered a lot of damage”; “The scale of him… He is large… the facial design… It’s too extreme…he has a very distinctive, idiosyncratic bone structure
and facial structure.”
OMG! It´s Rancor! He survived and has been plotting to take revenge from Luke after what happened on ROTJ!!
Mystery solved!
For Snoke to be Plagueis:
-Abrams has to be lying about him not being in the movie.
-Serkis has to be lying about it being a new character.
-Kasdan had to pretend to not have any clue who Plagueis was when someone asked about him.
-the design has to be new, not based on any previous depictions of Plagueis, since the design was evolving through the production.
All of which point to it NOT being Plaqueis. I would be VERY surprised if anything from this new movie has ANYTHING to do with the prequels at all. It’s clear that almost everyone involved in the film doesn’t want to touch those with a ten-foot pole.
Bringing Plagueis to VII is the best gift you can do to Star Wars so far. You avoid the prequels because you want to stay true to the OT, but you take one of the most important, unexplored elements (which by the way, gave a whole new perspective to the force) and you play with that. It’s just a perfect move.
THANK YOU!!! I 100% agree with you Dani. It is a perfect way to tie all three trilogies together. Stick with recreating the feel and atmosphere of the OT, whilst using arguably the most interesting story element of the PT, it just makes sense! No matter which direction they go I am going to love it because, hey, its freakin STAR WARS…but as you said, its just a perfect move to do it that way!
In the words of Nute Gunray, “You assume to much.”
Assumption is precisely what all this Snoke is Plagues crap really is.
You don’t like Plagueis or maybe the prequels I’m guessing?
– Abrams lyes, all the time.
– Serkis meditates before answering. Then he says it’s new, and then he specifies it’s newly introduced.
– Kasdan’s joke about Plagueis is so bad for such a good writer, that shows how nervous he was when answering that question.
– He has never been on-screen, his design can be re-designed as much as they want. Isn’t Anakin different when he turns Darth Vader? Plagueis is very damaged.
The minute Kasdan made that joke I knew something was wrong… very awkward moment. And now Daisy Ridley did something similar when she addressed the rumours. First she acknowledged knowing of the speculation, and then she went way overboard saying not only is it not Plagueis staff, but it is meaningless. Whether it is Plagueis’ staff or not, you can’t call it meaningless, seeing how much it is featured in all the promo material. That thing is important, whatever it is. My money is on Plagueis for now, although the evidence is of course very circumstantial…
Hey Geert I’m one of those crazy people who believes Snoke=Plagueis and Jakku=Tatooine. Nonetheless, I think the only importance of that staff is the fact that she knows how to fight with this kind of weapon, so that her logical lightsaber in eight will be a double-bladedo ne.
Finn would be good with a single lightsaber and Rey does not need a lightsaber many people in star wars have fought force users with Swords and Guns Rey’s staff is most likey a lightsaber resistance one
It may not be Plagueis, but if you are honest about the evidence thus far, it certainly looks that way.
In the words of J.J. Abrams, “Kahn will not be in Star Trek”.
Kahn was a well-known character in the Star Trek universe. He was the main villain in Star Trek 2. Keeping his identity secret was a lot more important for that film.
Only some fans know or give a crap about Darth Plagueis other than the mention of him in Revenge of The Sith. I doubt Kasdan and Abrams care about him, and considering how much they trying to distance themselves from anything prequel-related, I don’t see him being plugged into the 30 years post-Jedi universe after having been totally absent from the events of 4-6.
i would argue that the majority of Star Wars fans would shit themselves right there in the theater if he turns out to be Plagueis.
More than a few of us would groan.
Maybe a baker’s dozen?
I do remember a real long while back it being partially confirmed before we really knew much about production….that there would be a character thrown in that would be a nod to many true fans but others would probably not know this character…does kind of sound like Plaguies…Not that I really gave it much thought that it was him.
When has JJ ever lied about a character not being in a movie, eh? Personally, I thought they did a poor job selling they didn’t know who Plagueis was. Doesn’t mean he is Plagueis of course. He has never appeared in canon though, so Serkis wouldn’t be necessarily lying when he says he’s a new character. That also means they can give him any design they want. He has been around for a long time and knows of everything that has gone down in the universe, and he has been damaged. That could fit Plaqueis very well. Again, I’m not saying he is Plagueis, but nothing they’ve said so far rules it out either.
So that means he’ll lie about a character on every movie he works on forever? And Kasdan pretended to not have any clue who the guy who asked about Plagueis was?
We are talking about the same Star Wars movie?? Without a doubt the most guarded movie of all time
No of course not, but it does mean that you cannot make assumptions one way or the other about his movie at this point. If he is indeed Plagueis, of course everybody is instructed not to say that. Kasdan was just bad at pretending he didn’t know (I read his reaction like that), and he didn’t want to flat out lie.
Daisy Ridley coming out now saying that it’s not Plagueis stick is another example. Had she just said that, it would be fine. But she continues, and says no, it’s just a stick. And given the prominence of that stick in every trailer and piece of art work, I find it very hard to believe it is ‘just a stick’, which leads me to think there might be merit in the theory that she’s trying to disprove.
These are just the ideas I have, it is all speculation and not proof of any kind. Just a feeling they’re trying hard not to spill the beans, and avoiding any mention of Plagueis.
Kasdan couldn’t not know who Plagueis is. He watched Revenge Of The Sith.
Look at every bit of star trek into darkness what all the actors said not khan not khan jj knows how to lie about the identity of a major character
I don’t buy it though – you’re going to have story group meetings, have literally Star Wars experts at your beck and call, and an understanding of everything that came prior. No way Plagueis never came up…so for Kasdan, JJ, etc. to act all clueless about the name and stuff – I’m calling their bluff.
Hell, I will go a step further and say this. They had to have looked at a story of George’s at probably early stages and I’d bet a fair amount that Plagueis was in it…it would fit into George’s mythology.
Father created from the Force itself falls to the dark side.
Son redeems the Father.
Grand Daughter defeats the creator.
Kasdan was pretending. Otherwise, he wrote the script not being familiar with one important plot point of the saga.
Darth Plagueis would be a new character. He was mentioned once. He never appeared.
In canon, we have no reference to what he looks like.
All three of those things you just said contrast to one another, laughs.
So hows he get so powerful,who trained him and why wasn’t he around last time….answer me JJ.
It’s like Voldemort.
Sidious thought he killed him in his sleep, but Plagueis… ehm, Snoke, was prepared for this eventuality, and retained his spirit in a Horcruxish way, wondering around the galaxy, and waiting for a new body.
He then found one, but is still weak, and needs to use other people (Kylo) to proceed with his plan (total annhilation of the Light Side via the Skywalker bloodline/dinasty).
Very good.
Probabably no one trained him, just as Anakin had no father. His abilities just ‘came into being.’ Which works for absolutes, as far as ultimate villains go.
Snoke is actually Captain Panaka. He was lured by Darth Jar Jar into the depths of the Gungan City where his physical body drowned. Jar Jar used his force abilities to raise Panaka’s force ghost and install it into the body of Snoke, an ancient Gungan god buried beneath the city.
You chose the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
I like to think that Snoke is Keira Knightly’s character. She got severly damaged during the explosion in the first minutes of AOTC and now with fully reconstructed body Darth Sabé is back to take her revenge on Amidala’s grandchildren
that’s why kylo ren is indeed talking to Plagueis “I will fulfill our destiny, I will finish what you started” : plagueis created Anakin and trained Palpatine…
Wow that’s scary. He doesn’t give a sh*T about Vader other than Snoke was able to create him with the force, he’s just obeying Snoke/Plagueis.
Star Wars is about a Anakin, his son, his grandson (Kylo), and Snoke being Plagueis is a way to link the “Father” of Anakin with his grandson. Imagine Plagueis to Rey (Kylo’s sister) : “I am your great grandfather !”
Rey is actually Kylo’s cousin.
Yeah
Which is why Plei…..Snoke is probably merely letting Kylo talk to his mask artifact the way a parent tolerates a child’s attachment to a favorite stuffed animal. / Eventually though, the child has to relinquish such things.
Kylo Ren admires Vader, he wants to be the new Vader, and wants Plagueis/Snoke to see him like a new Vader.
“A/ Snoke’s look actually came about from an encounter I had with George Miller a couple of years ago. He said you ‘if you’re going to top the Emperor, mate [his favorite character] you got to go really out there.’ So that led us to exploring a more diabolical character design. I was a huge fan of Weta and what they did for Peter and I hadn’t really worked in motion capture so that was sort of a logical place to go. And so when you decide to push the envelope, your next concern is getting the right actor, and Andy was first and only.”
“Snoke’s look actually came about from an encounter I had with George Miller a couple of years ago. He said you ‘if you’re going to top the Emperor, mate [his favorite character] you got to go really out there.’ So that led us to exploring a more diabolical character design. I was a huge fan of Weta and what they did for Peter and I hadn’t really worked in motion capture so that was sort of a logical place to go. And so when you decide to push the envelope, your next concern is getting the right actor, and Andy was first and only.”
Omg, Darth Jar Jar confirmed
Everything said about snoke is getting better and better soon this character will be better then the emperor also strange facial structures well a certain character named plagueis has an odd facial structure.
Just about every non-human character in the Star Wars universe has an odd facial structure.
Yes but the asymmetrical shape is Darth plagueis
Also if snoke is the supreme leader and the villain were hoping for the trilogy then who is Benicio Del Toro playing a new leader in the first order?
maybe a tarkin type villain important for the one movie only .I think snoke and kylo are our main villains of the trilogy
I think Hux will meet his demise in Starkiller Base explosion, they’ll need another First Order high rank to replace him.
Yeah your probably right excited to see what Rian Johnson will be able to do with Andy Serkis and Adam Driver.
Ernesto Che Gueverra in space.
Hux and/or phasma will die in episode 7 and del toro will be a thrawn type character who will rise in his place
This Darth Plagueis stuff is like a conspiracy theory; the more evidence stacks up against it, the more it must be true!
Except, there isn’t any evidence ‘stacked up’ against it…
Ridley saying there is nothing special about her staff. Serkis saying Snoke is a new character. Abrams flatly answering “no” to the question about Darth Plagueis at the con. Palpatine saying he killed Plagueis in his sleep.
one should ask JJ or main cast a simple question like ” we all know force awakens is strongly connected to the look , feel and characters of the original trilogy but will the film also have links (other then Darth Vader) with the prequels making these films still feel like one big saga” i really really wonder what they would answer to that.
They have electrostaffs.
“Supreme Leader Snoke is quite an enigmatic character, and strangely vulnerable at the same time as being quite powerful,”
He just gave away a lot there.
[spoiler caution]
The report bout Pleigus/Snoke being a Voldomortlike character appears to ring true. It was said that he’s still not ‘whole’ yet. As if needs something to complete his transformation back from the netherworld. / Something I heard recently on pretty good authority is that Del Toro is actually playing the fully formed Snoke in Ep8. Interesting stuff!
“Supreme Leader Snoke is quite an enigmatic character, and strangely vulnerable at the same time as being quite powerful,”
still think it’s more likely that he is plagueis
That’s not from the movie, is it?
i think it is. Andy serkis posted the photo on his twiiter on the 14th of august when the movie was shooting and this is the only movie he is doing motion capture this year.It is possible that it is an old photo but i think it is from sw7
So he walks (or at least stands up) and has a staff? That doesn’t seem fragile…
the thing that is important form this picture if indeed it is from the sw7 is the staff and that is a key part of the character of darh plagueis that is in the novels maybe he isn’t him but i think the story group takes a lot of the old expanded universe
“Supreme Leader Snoke is quite an enigmatic character, and strangely vulnerable at the same time as being quite powerful,”
He just gave away a lot there.
[Spoiler Caution]
It seems like the report of Snoke being a Voldemortlike character is starting to ring true. It was said that he isn’t fully ‘whole’ yet and needs something else to complete his transition back from the netherworld. / I also heard on pretty good authority recently that Del Toro is actually playing the fully formed Plagueis in Ep8. Interesting stuff!
I don’t like the idea of changing actors — Andy Serkis has a very distinctive voice. I love the idea of going creepy Voldemort-style.
i wasn’t as on board as with the plagueis theory as some people have been, but the description of this character as tall with a unique facial design just screams muun, which would be all but impossible to pull off practically.
Keeping in mind he doesn’t have to be a Muun, nor does his name have to be Plagueis. / Post Disney, that is. They may retain the overall concept, but expect to be surprised.
that’s true, the muun part is legends now. but plagueis as palpatine’s former master is still cannon, as are his experiments with life and death. i’m still not 100% sold(or even 70%) that snoke is him, but these statements by serkis make me believe it a lot more then i did yesterday.
In the trailer when Kylo says “I will finish what you started,” his tone sounds like he’s speaking to an authority figure. There’s no way he’s actually talking to the helmet because it would be absolutely ridiculous. My theory is that he’s actually talking to Snoke, whom is later revealed to be Plagueis, and that quote is referring to Kylo finishing what Plagueis started which was creating Anakin, and as a result, the Skywalker bloodline and Vader’s attempt to take over the galaxy. The fact that the camera cuts to Vader’s helmet every time that line is stated proves that the very thing that was started was Anakin’s birth, and the “you” in the quote isn’t referring to Vader, but Plagueis since he’s directly speaking to him obviously. I’m assuming this line was said during the first act of this movie, which would mean that Kylo already knows who Snoke really is.
WOO!!
“There’s no way he’s actually talking to the helmet because it would be absolutely ridiculous.”
Why? People (especially in movies) talk to tombstones and photographs all the time. Richard Nixon supposedly talked to paintings of former presidents in the White House. Churches, mosques, and shrines are pretty much dedicated to talking to people who are no longer living.
For me, this description absolutely confirms Snoke as Darth Plaguesis. After Sidious killed him, he was able to remain alive, proving his experiments succesful, but was left very “damaged”. He waited patiently for the fall of his old aprentice, for he was at the moment too powerful for him to overcome and, when the correct moment surfaced, and the neosith Knights of Ren found him while searching for ancient sith artifacts, came once again to power. He is damaged and he has the body and facial characteristics of a Muun, moreover, “he’s aware of what’s going on he’s been around and knows about prior events”… I wasn’t sure at first, but now, with this new information… I’m sold.
Plus, there really isn’t another feasible option. How do you top the baddest bad guy? Make him just another element under an even more powerful villain.
The only thing that doesn’t add up is how, amidst his ‘coming back’, he managed to gain and maintain political control in such a wrecked state.
By that reasoning, if Plagueis were ever to be defeated they would have to stop making new Star Wars movies.
“No, he’s a new character in this universe. It is very much a newly-introduced character,” Serkis
Ha ha ha ha. Watch this weeks Jedi’s council, all 3 hosts are very confident that Snoke is Plaguesis.
As much as I wish it were so… “No, he’s a new character in this universe. It is very much a newly-introduced character,” Serkis
from a certain point of view that could be true if he were Plagueis. He’ll be new to the movies (outside of a mention in episode 3) and the expanded universe has been wiped clean.
It’s possible that Abrams just hasn’t told Serkis who he is. However I don’t think Snoke is Plagueis, it just seems too easy.
Sounds awesome. 34 DAYS YO!
Random thought, but “newly introduced character” could also refer to the fact that Plagueis was introduced in Revenge of the Sith, technically the “newest” of the movies to be made (until now, of course). Bit of a stretch maybe, but it wouldn’t technically be false…from a certain point of view.
Not a fan of him being some giant hulking creature. I thought the genius of the OT was the two most powerful beings were essentially a shriveled up dwarf and an unassuming old man that people underestimated. Turning him into some literal movie monster or musclebound freak is very Hollywood but I can totally see JJ being onboard with this since he pretty much is a living personification of the industry.
well said!
Thank you! I was really looking forward to his reveal but now not as much anymore because of that. I know JJ claims to have been a fan before he got the job but the more I read his interviews he seems to have as much understanding of the Star Wars universe as Marc Webb did with Spiderman. Meaning he probably caught the OT on TV once while ironing his trousers.
Ive seen a leaked image. hes tall and thin and is a snake like creature. pretty menacing and has these ancient looking robes. He has also been training in the dark side. I think hes someone who bathed in ancient Sith lore and knowledge of the dark side.
again it would be such a stupid move from JJ/kasdan not having Plagueis. for one, it makes the prequel trilogy better if they have him appear and explain its he who created the skywalker bloodline. it must be so awsome to watch all 9 or even 12 episodes in a row and getting to the scene in episode 1 where Qui Gon is facinated when Shmi tells him how Anakin came to be and then the scene in episode 3 where Palpatine tells the tragedy of Darth Plagueis. Would love for ep 7-9 be about the resurface of Plagueis and ep 10-12 about his eventual destruction . Thye have a fleshed out villain with a full backstory that has amazing appeal and so rooted in the story so far. Why on earth would they take the chance and make a new ubervillain ???? they cannot possible come with sometihing better then Palpatine’s old master.
I watched Episode 1 again this morning, the more we stay away from the PT (the living force???) the better.
I think it’s cool he’s a big hulking creature. We haven’t seen much of that for sentient beings. Is he like a dragon species. A Smaug for the sith? That would be kinda awesome