Collider Jedi Council: Star Wars: The Last Jedi – Movie Review (Spoilers)
On this episode of Collider Jedi Council:
So much happened in ‘The Last Jedi’ that challenged, changed and altered the course of the franchise. Jedi Council’s Kristian Harloff, Ken Napzok, Perri Nemiroff and Mark Reilly are here to give you their SPOILER filled review of the movie. They give you their unfiltered and thorough thoughts on all the story’s twists and turns, the new and returning characters, the new planets and environments that our heroes and villains existed in and what we can expect to see in Episode IX. Also, they let you know if this is a worthy next installment in the ‘Star Wars’ franchise.
WARNING: This video contains spoilers for Star Wars: The Last Jedi
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Done with star Wars saga movies!!!! The prequels are a lot better than this crap!!!
Bye. Hope you have a nice day. Life is way to sort to get upset about a movie.
Wow. I didn’t realize Russian bots had moved into hate propaganda for Star Wars films.
Ok bye!
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. The salty tears of your destroyed childhood are delicious.
I must be honest, it felt like my generation of fan got “Ackbar’d”.
One second all our hopes and dreams are on screen alive, powerful and vibrant, only to have them dashed and there death mentioned in brief dialogue a scene or 2 later.
I thought the film was awesome and feel happy or even excited at the prospect of a new Ryan trilogy.
Mainly because I won’t already have pre existing emotional attachments to the characters.
Its why I’m trying to be adult and honest enough to acknowledge that the majority of my grumbles (apart from visual gripes)* I had with this 1, are borne purely out of me not getting the exact story I personally wanted.
*biggest grumble for me, the red throne room scene looked like an unfinished bts reel. The red background just looked like a different coloured green screen and it really kept breaking the scene for me.
Snoke looked cruddy effects and out of proportion when hand on Reys face.
I didn’t mind Snoke, I actually thought he was an example of CGI done right in comparison to some of the other big bad’s we’ve seen recently (Steppenwolf) I think you’ve hit the nail on the head though. The only reason this film like the last will have issues for everyone is the fact that it carries the storylines of our original heroes and on top of that is juggling what 5 or even more new characters stories in addition? It’s impossible to be satisfied with this… but I do see the best option being to wait until the new trilogy with new characters completely separated from everything we’ve known so we can grow with them the way we did with Luke, Leia, and Han.
Snoke was one of the best parts of this film imo. He was creepy as all get out and clearly powerful…yet no explanation on who or what he even is. To have him in only two scenes was an insult….it was that Yoda that was the true issue imo.
The Last Jedi felt like a Marvel movie, it never let the serious scenes have any sort of levity. It tried so hard to stop any serious scene and shout out “HEY ARE YOU HAVING FUN?” and it never let anything breathe. It wasn’t the correct tone for Star Wars. This felt like fan faction. Leia floating through space made no sense. Zero.
I see people saying that whats the difference with Luke tickling Rey than Yoda acting all goofy when we first meet him in ESB. The difference is that Yoda playing dumb in ESB was a test for Luke about patience. Luke’s tickling of Rey served no purpose than to make the audience laugh. It was pointless.
I’m glad someone else mentioned that. My wife and I said that same thing as soon as we left the theater. We LOVED the movie, but the emotional parts, right when they could have REALLY hit you in the feels, they threw a joke in to lighten it up – which I thought was TOTALLY unnecessary. I actually would have preferred less humor in it – I was really looking forward to a very dark and dreary tone for it. That said, I still loved it… SO much to wrap your head around. I have to go watch it 10+ more times to make sure I get everything. #takemymoneyDisney
I won’t mock anyone for how they feel, and if you loved the movie that’s awesome. But it’s apparent we saw two entirely different films.
Well, I’m an uber-fanboy, so I loved it because it was a new Star Wars movie LOL… but taken on merits outside of my fandom, I’m still not sure what to think about it.
I would consider myself an uber-fanboy as well and after each moment I hated (start from the beginning of Luke throwing away the lightsaber – It was such a powerful moment at the end of TFA to just get a comedy out of it was wrong) I tried to forget it and move on but then they just kept piling up and up and up and up until there was nothing left.
That awful lightsaber joke is symbolic for how RJ treated this movie. “To hell with everything Lucas and J.J. established before me, this is my time to shine!”
So why he claimed so many times that he’s uber fanboy with action figures and all?
Not only that. Look at his face. He knows her. He feels sorry for everything. He was impacted by seiing her and the sword. Cut few seconds ahead and I don’t know you and I don’t give a fxxx about my dad’s lightsaber….total incoherence here, from the start….
For me it was missing (No pun intended) gravity. At times it felt a little insincere.
I completely agree with this assessment. So focused on humor in all the wrong moments….it made me feel that this director doesn’t get it nor does he even care. There was almost no gravity in any situation in this film…other than Snoke’s death scene I think.
Spot on. It’s the difference between in-character/in-story humor vs crowd pleasing humor. One fits and one immediately dates the film. They’re different stories, but I’d compare it to the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Legolas and Gimli are funny because they are funny within the context of their world. If they were to do jokes related to what we see in the real world, it would feel weird and out of place. But that’s the problem we face with Disney. They’ll make sure to do their best to drop a four quadrant movie, but they’re treating the property like “Star Wars after it blew up” where the movies should be crowd pleasers where George was treating the property like “Star Wars the story I created” where his films were about expanding the lore and telling the story, not living up to some legacy of fan pleasing success.
The main difference is that George was never secret that he makes the movies for him. He is the one who has to like it. He doesn’t need to explain the audience every fart, to please it. It’s his story and it goes this way to whatever end. He knows how his galaxy works, what his characters think, what’s natural to them. Hell even Mark Hamill knows it after so many years….now he’s probably ashamed
You are right. Sadly filmakers of today thinks fans are no-brainers and only driven by FYn FUN FUN with zero consistence.
I think you meant gravity, not levity.
Not surprised at how polarizing this film is. It’s the first movie that doesn’t play like a traditional SW film but still is SW. The only thing I really had a grip with was something that happens to Leia, but its a very small gripe. People seem to have major issues with what we can call “Force Skype” as if it’s the first time we’ve seen this… If you think back this was honestly first established in ESB after Luke and Vader’s confrontation. On second thought, my final gripe was that this film seemed to really have 4 acts… it doesn’t end where you expect and thank god it doesn’t because that 4th act is BOMB. The gripe comes in the fact that I feel like the middle film should end with more of a cliffhanger, but this one kind of felt like it was wrapped up in a nice happy bow more or less, and Mickey shoving in Broom Kid didn’t really help… I think that should have been left to maybe the end of the trilogy. I’m interested to see what happens in Episode IX, but so much happened in this film that I don’t feel like there’s really a MAJOR big bad to fear because we’ve already had the precedence set that our new villain can be beaten. Despite those qualms, it’s the most different film in the franchise, has the most iconic shots (Holdo’s final act was stunning and literally had people gasping as we took in the amazing shot in awe), and really “doesn’t go the way you think”. I’m watching it a 2nd time tonight to see how I feel about it. But right now, I’d put it this way. Return of the Jedi is my favorite SW film, but I would say Empire is the best made film because there isn’t a scene or moment in it that is wasted as opposed to RotJ where the scenes on Endor before the fleet arrive always kind of bore me. TFA was a tighter more concise and to the point film but TLJ had more interesting things to offer. I’ll see how I feel after my second viewing, but my gut reaction is to say that I’m not as anxious to see what happens in IX like I was after TFA simply because the way this movie ends feels like they wrapped up too many things and the villain isn’t really as intimidating. As of right now in, ranking the series in terms of films I’d fast forward through the least it would be ESB, TLJ, ANH, R1, RotJ, RotS, TPM, AotC, In terms of personal favorites though it would be RotJ, ESB, TLJ, ANH, R1, TFA, RotS, TPM, AotC. Gotta watch TLJ one more time tonight, but really can’t shake the feeling that I don’t care so much about what happens in IX because there wasn’t a cliffhanger of an ending to worry about and our new Supreme Leader has yet to actually beat our hero once.
Force Skype, I love that. And yeah, Luke had Vader and Leia on speed dial.
Off topic, I’m really curious what makes RotJ your favorite Star Wars film. I’m not throwing shade, I’ve just never met someone with that opinion. For me, I have the same problems with RotJ that most have with TFA – it’s too safe, too much reused from ANH. While it has individual scenes that are amazing, it just doesn’t hold up to me.
It’s really just how the movie hits me emotionally. I had a rough childhood growing up and my dad was the cause of that. I never had the relationship I wish I had with him, but I still hope to. What makes me rank RotJ up there is the father-son drama, the redemption of Anakin, and the funeral scene. I can’t explain it but I’m sure its just a mixture of my experiences and the way I see things that makes the funeral for Anakin hit a certain chord even though its only a handful of seconds long. Watching Luke look on at the father he finally managed to save, but never got to truly know and have a relationship with as the Williams score swells gets me everytime. Of course on top of that the third act (once the fleet arrives) is one of the best in the series. But all in all I think it’s because I feel incredibly connected to the Luke-Anakin story-line through the film that makes it my favorite one of them all.
Amen to that brother! Plus the best space battle in the saga and the best finale in space, ground and on a personal level in the Death Star, the fight for Anakin’s soul…
Here’s another superfan of Return of the Jedi. It was my first SW movie, The other two I’ve seen two years later on vhs. Today I played it to my almost 7y.old son. I love it as the first day. To me it has the strongest emotional scenes of all the movies. Luke knowing that Vader is the dad. Luke and Leia. Luke meeting Vader again. Final duel. Anakin’s redemption. And the sauce around it….. I know Empire is the top rating of them all, but Jedi is the one with special place in my heart
I still don’t know what to think about this one! I loved it, don’t get me wrong… but I think I was so wrapped up in the whole “HOLY CRAP IT’S NEW STAR WARS I’VE WAITED TWO YEARS FOR THIS!” that I probably missed a lot.
That said… I’ve heard people say it’s their favorite Star Wars movie ever – I get that. I’ve heard people say that they hated it – and I get that too. It’s going to be SO polarizing. I love that they made a Star Wars film that generates so much thought and discussion and speculation. This was SUCH an original movie. Amazing work in that aspect!
Thanks evening news guy.
You’re welcome, internet troll!
No, I’m a fan. This movie is a troll. And your comment seemed pretentious without taking an actual viewpoint, hence the news comparison.
No, I’m a fan. This movie is a troll. And your comment seemed pretentious without taking an actual viewpoint, hence the news comparison.
What a failure. Rian Johnson pissed all over Luke Skywalker as a character. That guy is supposed to be an eternal optimist – sort of like Superman. Hope and optinism made up his persona. He would never hide away like a coward like that – just because Ben solo killed a fee of his students. How anti-climactic. And, wjy tje hell would that trick that he did at the end kill him? Couldn’t he have just taken a nap or something? Stupid.
While I have yet to see it, just remember that Ben Kenobi was hiding out for years too on Tatooine, feeling pretty useless until the right time to get involved again introduced itself. Luke on the other hand sounds like he just gave up though …but isn’t that what Kenobi did too?
“Into exile, I must go. Failed, I have.”
Understand what you’re saying but think you’re forgetting a key difference between the two. Obi-Wan went into exile because his order had fallen, he was being actively hunted for by Sidious, Vader, the clones, and later Inquisitors. Not only that he was watching over Luke, to later train as a Jedi and restore hope and The Republic to the galaxy. Luke went into exile because he almost killed his nephew and served as the breaking point for Kylo Ren to completely embrace the dark side. He essentially abandoned the galaxy he fought to save, his friends, his family, and everything he stood for in the OT, because he made a mistake. Not the Luke I grew up watching and reading about
It’s more than just Kylo killing his students that’s weighing on him. It’s the fact that he set Kylo’s fall to the dark side in motion by trying to avoid it. I feel echos of Paul Atreides character arc in Dune with Luke’s – a “chosen one” consumed by doubt, that no matter what decisions he makes, they will make things worse.
What would happen to you if the dogmatic religion you put all of your faith in failed you so utterly? And after you found out that your teachers had been lying to you all through your training? All the ingredients you need for a crisis of faith.
I’ve heard that Dune Messiah was very polarizing when it came out too. I really loved the Herbert-esque attack of the hero/legend concept. I also loved that Luke did come around and save the day by not fighting. He won in episode 6 by not fighting. This is totally in character. I feel like those who wanted badass fighting Force-god Luke are probably bigger fans of the video games than the movies.
I think the reason Luke was hiding was explained, but maybe it didn’t hit very well. When Han and Leia are speaking in TFA Leia clearly believes it was Snoke who seduced Ben. To an extent Han then believes that as well. With that in mind it was my understanding that the reason we see flashbacks of the night Luke confronted Ben was to reveal that while Snoke may have stoked the darkness in Ben’s heart, it was Luke who’s wrong choice to go into Ben’s hut which was the spark that created Kylo Ren as we see the events through both of their eyes so they both clearly had different experiences of the moment. Considering Han and Leia always assumed it was Snoke’s fault, and initially sent Ben to train with Luke because they noticed the traditional darkness inherent in all Skywalkers within him… I can see why the man considered to be the savior of the galaxy and destroyer of Darth Vader and the Emperor in the eyes of many would be afraid to tell his sister and brother in law, or the masses “hey… so I may have actually made a mistake one night and created another Darth Vader” It’s all how you take it in though really. It’s either a good explanation or not enough of a reason for Luke to hide away. But I buy it.
Luke essentially died of a broken heart. He acknowledged his failures and did what he thought was right in the end, hopefully leaving a kernel of hope in Ben Solo, and he did it without going to the dark side. When other Jedi failed, namely Anakin, they fell. Luke stayed in the light, even though it broke him. I think that is part of the point. People should not be so revered, either for their good or bad choices, that they need to be in exile to prevent damage to others. The next generation of heroes will come from nobodies, not from those descended from the “chosen one.” Yes, it’s a populist message, but not altogether a bad one. Just unexpected.
Okay, no. When Ben and Rey first made contact with each other through their force connection, he said something along the lines of “I know you can’t be doing this, using that amount of energy would kill you.” That amount of energy killed Luke. It’s not that complicated. He gave the resistance what they needed. Time to escape, and hope. He is the embodiment of hope after all.
That makes Snoke far more superior to Luke. It didn’t kill him
He didn’t do that?
LOL !! “Take a nap”, priceless…..I agree though.
I’ll withhold commenting till I see it again….One completely left field question: Did anyone ever hear, “I have a bad feeling about this”? I don’t recall it
I don’t believe so.
bb8 said it to Poe in the beginning of the movie.
so it was in beeps and bleeps
bb8 said it to Poe in the beginning of the movie.
so it was in beeps and bleeps
Honestly, this is something that devastated me.
Re: “Did anyone ever hear”
Wow, didn’t even think about that.
Hope to hear it on 2nd viewing, but now suspect it’s not there – I have a bad feeling about this.
BB8 wield the torch this time
That’s a Star Wars thing. And they are trying to get away from Star Wars in these Star Wars movies.
I said it to myself during the Admiral Hugs sketch.
No wilhelm screen either
I swear i remember it but i don’t remember who said it or where. Rian Johnson said “It’s in there!” on twitter
I’m going back tomorrow…still haven’t heard it.
Not a chance unless you understand the beeps of BB8 –
Re: “Bad feeling about this”
2nd viewing – think I fig’rd it out.
When Rey asks Chewie to “tell Finn…”.
They didn’t translate the Wookie, but pretty certain his response was the famous line.
overall i enjoyed this, but wow do i have some mixed feelings on this. everything involving luke, rey and kylo was top notch, but everything else kinda meh, especially the stuff with finn and rose on that casino planet. two things that still nag at me: no knights of ren(unless missed them some how) and snoke turning out to be a pretty useless character. i am glad though that kylo did what vader never could and seized power for himself. i need to see it again, but for now i’d give it a B+.
The Canto Bight sequence has concerned me since the set photos. It’s a bummer that it turned out to be as disposable as I’d feared.
I heard Jay Gatsby made a cameo
yeah Canto Bight sucked, and I missed the chance of seeing the Knights of Ren- however Luke did say that Kylo went off with a handful of his students and massacred the rest- so we now know the Knights of Ren are likely Luke’s ex-students, and hopefully they might just appear in the third movie.
Luke Skywalkers legacy: He is a quitter and a failure and everything he did leading up to TLJ was for nothing. But hey, at least we have a girl with 1 day of half-ass Jedi training to start the new jedi academy.
Well if you watch TLJ in crystal clear iMAX you can see that those derpy beach creatures that Luke milks produce a healthy beverage chock full of midi chlorians. One glassful and you’ll be riding refrigerators through space battles.
They could have at least added an Easter egg of Indy riding his refrigerator. Missed opportunity.
Maaan let me tell you sum, this comment is epic. I’m in tears
Totally agree. Luke Skywalker, the one person in the entire galaxy who saw the light in Vader when no body else did, decided to try and kill his nephew because he saw the dark in him. What is that? And then after his big mistake, he decides to exile himself, essentially abandoning the people and galaxy that he fought so hard for. Kathleen Kennedy is the real Sith here.
Totally agree. Luke Skywalker, the one person in the entire galaxy who saw the light in Vader when no body else did, decided to try and kill his nephew because he saw the dark in him. What is that? And then after his big mistake, he decides to exile himself, essentially abandoning the people and galaxy that he fought so hard for. Kathleen Kennedy is the real Sith here.
He exiled himself so JJ’s characters weren’t over-shadowed by him. Period.
Great point.
Two decades of hiding out on a deserted island feeling bad for himself – determined to let the Jedi end. Eight hours after meeting an unknown scavenger girl, he decides to let her be the new leader of the Jedi. Makes sense to me.
Yoda is the real a-hole in this scenario. Couldn’t he have talked Luke down from his self-loathing – like, maybe 15 years ago? What a little green jerk! Why didn’t he visit and tell Luke to learn from his mistakes a long time ago?
Lol your comment made me laugh hard. HARD !
I would think it would be hard if Luke cut off his connection to the force.
Yea he seemed really in tune when he went to torch the force tree…
At that point he reconnected when he saw Rey and Kylo in the hut and lost his shit.
I thought the temple massacre was only supposed to have happened 6 years before TFA.
Wait, really? So, in SIX YEARS the Jedi and the Force became nothing more than a myth in the galaxy? That opens a whole different can of worms.
The massacre happened 6 years before TFA, so Luke’s been on Ahch-To for far less than 6 years. I can’t speak for how known the Jedi Training facility was before that. To most people in the galaxy, it was probably not common knowledge. In fact, everyday knowledge of the Jedi would’ve started to decay pretty much after the prequels.
Honestly this movie left me wondering what story George Lucas would have told instead. Say what you want about the PT, but the guy told one hell of a story. Disney makes a flashy movie, but this was not the Star Wars I grew up to love.
exact opposite here. shocked at the negative opinions. I loved it hard
Hey man, by all means glad you loved it. Seriously. I wish I could have and I really wanted to, but the product just wasn’t something I could get on board with.
-Luke being tempted to kill his nephew/apprentice when he sensed the dark side in him. THE SAME Luke who refused to kill Darth Vader, because he believed in redemption.
-Luke abandoning the Republic/Resistance, leaving friends and family behind.
-Snoke. Who the f*%* is Snoke? How did this random being take control of the remnant of the Empire. I don’t care what Rian Johnson says, Snokes backstory is at least worth mention.
-Leia becoming super man in space. My real first WTF moment in the film. I understand Johnson was reminding people she was powerful in the force. Fantastic, do it a different way. Leia blasting through space felt super cheap and not authentic.
If they wanted to show her being powerful in the force they should have shown her stopping the blasters before they blew up the command deck and it would have taken so much out of her that she would have gone in the coma anyway. It was already established in the previous movie that you could do that. Would have made the movie feel like in it was in the same universe.
Or just not have her 10 miles away with no injuries from a huge explosion from two starfighter torpedoes
Or just not have her 10 miles away with no injuries from a huge explosion from two starfighter torpedoes
My biggest gripe was 20 seconds of Vader in armor
There is no point trying to explain Luke’s cowardly desertion. JJ Abrams didn’t want him to overshadow his creations. And Rian Johnsons job was to kill him off completely.
I totally respect swnn…totally but as I’ve stated in other posts about reviews, this film was terrible and then some.
That caricature of a Yoda was seriously the defining moment for me…. I’m not liking this film. It’s not what he did or said. I personally feel that the director was going for Nostalgia and ended up with “worse than TPM puppet Yoda”. It was a caricature and an insult. Doesn’t matter what anyone says…people will pay to see the crap and you will continue to get more crap.
I had a few issues with TFA…mainly it’s repeat of “A New Hope” but I generally loved it and I feel that film totally did what it was supposed to do and reinvigorate this franchise. TLJ does the exact opposite and I feel that Rian Johnson REALLY doesn’t get it nor does he even care.
However, the Chewbacca roasting the porg scene was priceless and one of the best scenes ever. Snoke was delightfully creepy and clearly powerful….only to be killed with only two scenes in the film. While his death was satisfying and cool…one of the biggest fan speculations was his origins or who he is….and this film ignores it entirely!
Yeah I think it could be chocked up to Rian being such a big fan of SW knows exactly what the fans are thinking about in the interim between the two films so he clearly was trying to subvert everything we were expecting as we all wanted something new/different. It’s just possible he did it to a fault. Where TFA’s biggest complaint was it was too similar to old, TLJ’s biggest complaint seems to be it’s too different. Only solution I see is for JJ to come in knowing how little he pushed it and how far Rian pushed it and find the happy medium. Either that or provide a new trilogy that doesn’t play with characters people have spent a lot of their lives with already. The safest most interesting way forward I imagine is to really provide new characters in a new story completely separated from what we know so that we can give it a fair assessment and build with them over time like we did with our original heroes.
Personally, I can agree with your points. I’m not so sure J.J. Abrams will fix or find any happy medium. The real problem now is that most of those “rave reviews” are gonna give a false sense that Rian Johnson did something right and Abrams will likely just continue it. Disney/Lucasfilm even gave Rian Johnson a new trilogy…
yeah, except Yoda was amazing. stop it.
it was beautiful, Yoda and the scene was beautiful.
proper Yoda
yeah, except Yoda was amazing. stop it.
it was beautiful, Yoda and the scene was beautiful.
proper Yoda
RT critic score:93%
RT audience score: 58%
Hmm…
The shills be shillin’.
So this is how Star Wars dies…with thunderous applause.
*spoilers*
My opinion 70% of the film was the best of the saga
20% was on par with TFA
10% was cringe worthy.
The cringe is what makes the rest hurt so much.
The parts where rey & Kylo communicated through the force sent chills down my spine. I could feel his sense of isolation & there was something about the scene that made me feel as if I was transported to a 1970’s interpretation of what Kubrick would have done with The Last Jedi had he filmed it. The pit & luke talking about it… chills. Rey in the pit. chills. Snoke’s scenes (all) chills.
What I hated: Phasma’s death was cheesy. Finn’s sacrifice gone unfulfilled.
What the fuck was Maz Doing? Canto bight chase was boring. I really hated how the walkers looked at the scene when they were shooting at Luke, like cartoons, not giant death machines. Where was his green saber? I would have liked it better if Luke joined in on an epic fight and survived the film. But at the same time the poetry of his death… tough call.
One other big thing that bugs me is the scale of this conflict… it seems like this is all that’s left of the FO & resistance? It makes the galaxy feel smaller.
But… Other highlights: seeing the captain of the dreadnaught… that guy was badass.
The kamikazee aftermath. badass.
the desperation of the resistance. badass.
Snoke chopped in twain… badass.
I can’t wait to see again.
Spot on
you bring really good points of the movie.
you bring really good points of the movie.
I think it’s cool that the resistance can now fit on the millenium falcon- makes it all seem more desperate. As for the First Order, I imagine there are a lot more of them out there – or was there something in the film I missed to say it was the whole First Order fleet?
On the plus side, PT lovers and haters can finally hate on something together.
hahaha. thks my friend. u are right. Better is not to hate a,d tell yourself ” Ok things could have been worst” xD
“Generationally-Unifying” 😉
This movie was like ESB, ROTJ, and Battlestar Galactica haphazardly smashed together and with none of the fun or charm. Worst SW movie ever!
you obviously haven’t seen AOTC?
I have, this is worse.
I’ve just decided to accept the EU as my personal canon, and this new trilogy as “legacy.” Pablo Hidalgo and Disney can suck my lightsaber.
Yep, I consider the Thrawn Trilogy to be the ST.
Disney rape my childhood… oh wait
Aaah, so sad to see everyone hating on this movie. I feel alone to have loved it. All this hate is really making me want to stay away from every Star Wars-related event ever, and avoid all SW conversations with people. It’s always the same arguments and I’m sick of saying the same thing over and over again.
I mean yeah, I guess I understand why so many people didn’t like it. It’s very different from the other films and it does things that were unexpected and at times felt odd even… but isn’t that what’s exciting about it?
Honestly it would just have been boring if this new trilogy would have been about Luke returning, building an academy, being all bad-ass and shit, and kicking Sith ass with his favorite student Mike the Jedi.
I don’t know. I really loved it.
But now I hate Star Wars fandom I guess.
Do I now get to understand what it was like to love the prequels and have everybody else hate on them?
I guess I’ll wait till the Blu-Ray release to watch it again, and do it in the loneliness of my couch, feeding off the tears of disappointed fans.
Odd things ? Or ridiculous ? Leia going through -200 °C (sry i m from europe) in space ? Luke dying of projecting his mind through the Force ? Snoke and Phasma waste ? the end ? if we can call tht a end. this movie has very good moments but i feel sometimes RJ didn’t know where he was going. Seriously.
This scene I thought was ridiculous in the execution. But you know, in terms of logic, why not. I don’t care. This is Star Wars.
What can i say ? yes oh well, it’s Star Wars after all.
There seems to be a rag tag small band of us rebel scum who really loved The Last Jedi.
There seems to be a rag tag small band of us rebel scum who really loved The Last Jedi.
That’s one Rebellion I’d love to join!
I can relate to that. I went to Celebration 2016 in London. Half the crowd was great – just people out to have fun at the event; the other half however were so up themselves.Ugh considering the price of getting there, never again.
Pardon me, not hate at all. Just sadness…..
Yeah, that’s probably a better word indeed. That’s what I meant, I wish everybody could love this movie like I did. I don’t see why so many people feel betrayed or feel like the movie is disrespectful of the saga. And I’m not a newcomer… the OT are basically the first films I’ve ever seen thanks to my parents.
While I felt upset about the fact that I don’t feel like there’s any big bad to look forward to as this film ended on a lighter note instead of a cliff hanger… Thinking about it more today got me wondering. Rey’s vision in TFA clearly shows Kylo and the Knights of Ren in the rain. In Luke and Ben’s flashbacks to the destruction of the Temple we finally know that Ben was still using presumably Anakin’s or another blue lightsaber so he was probably not a KoR. Luke also tells us that Ben left with a handful of students (I want to say he gave a specific number but I’ll see on my rewatch tonight) Did Ben and those students become the KoR together? That would imply the others make use of the Force. Where have they been? The night the Temple burned was a clear one so there was no rain, but there is rain in Rey’s vision. Was the scene just to let us know they exist or was it foreshadowing the future and perhaps they will be the “Big Bad” we desire in IX? Or will it all be for naught and not even referenced ever again :/
I’m guessing now the vision of the KoR is probably not gonna play out in IX because Kylo still had his normal mask on… Actually, I guess he dropped his mask on Starkiller base and made a new one for TLJ? So he could make another one?
He probably has a closet full of masks. He needs to have several for all the tantrums he has in which he destroys another one.
No connection between 7 and 8. JJ did what he wanted, RJ the same. Lame.
Yeah. The only hope of a callback is that JJ is coming back and he did TFA. All I can think of now is that everyone will probably be glad for JJ to come back. And if not glad, at least extremely happy its JJ and not Colin Trevorrow. And I mean I’m personally glad with TLJ. But thank god Trevorrow isn’t touching SW.
From two pain, iprefer the less painful, yes. TLJ has very good moments but he should have killed Leia in the bridge’s explosion. That was powerful and emotional. Not bringing her back as super-hero Jedi through space. i facepalmed in the theater…
I think it’s implied that those handful of students joined up with Ben to become the Knights of Ren (the seven). The scene in the rain is not the Jedi massacre. It was the Knights of Ren attacking some village where the blue lightsaber was being kept. Maz was there and escaped with it.
Yeah I agree they became the KoR. I don’t know about the village part though. I remember spending time freeze framing the shot and its pretty much just a barren area. The only visible structure occurs during a lightning strike in the far back right that looks like a large building, but because of how small it is in comparison to the KoR it’s got to be a ways away.
The TFA’s force back scene was originally to be longer. It was to include a character called Naka discovering Luke’s lightsaber, selling it to some trader, who then parts with it to the clan. The KOR attack the clan’s village. The person in the scene who is stabbed by Kylo Ren and his lightsaber is the clan leader (as confirmed by Pablo Hildago):
http://spoiledbluemilk.com/2016/03/17/who-exactly-was-the-clan-leader-in-reys-flashback/
What gets me are who dafuq are Knights of Ren????
It’s even more complicated. No one ever saw the Knights of Ren. Now we know Ben left with other students killing the rest. Another WTF – Luke knew Ben becomes evil. He didn’t felt that in other students? Why his students followed Ben? Why they murdered their friends, long life fellow students? They were Jedi in training! Were they evil as well? Didn’t Luke feel it? What a fail for such a Jedi Master, to rise most of his students evil lords. Are they the Knights of Ren? If so, why no one of them has a lightsaber, just Kylo? You see? Plot hole after plot hole, incoherence after incoherence, no explanation whatsoever, and the creative group yessed to Rian almost everything (his own words)
Hashtag humor has claimed another victim, plus Johnson just casually threw away the cool plot threads in TFA to match his “vision”. I think the dark side of his ego got the best of him.
Cool scenes but not cool enough to quell the glaring problems. I mean litterally a whole third of the story is a cheesy love heist thing with commando BB-8 and space PETA advertising resulting in the Resistance taking even more damage.
Finn took a huge lightsaber strike to the back and kills Phasma when he couldnt even take out TR-8R.
Good job Holdo, you were gonna sacrifice yourself anyways but took an hour to lightspeed missile, and you could have just told Poe the plan.
yeah so much incoherence in TLJ that, for me, sinks completly the movie.
The trilogy….it happened with the Hobbit trilogy – first movie great, second so bad I never watched the third one….
It hurts more when the past two years I saw Rian as so cool great sympathetic guy, a true fan who played with the action figures in the 80, like I did…..I still can’t believe he missed the Star Wars he claim he loves so much….
This movie took a a lot of big swings and I can really appreciate that as I wasn’t interested in seeing a rehash of ESB. The problem with The Last Jedi is it literally missed on almost of those big chances. The film was visually stunning and the Rey/Ben lightsaber duel taking on the guards was a top Star Wats moment of all time for me, but 95% of those new things didn’t actually fit in a preestablished universe. New == automatically mean better quality but I will commend them taking really bold chance. It just didn’t work. And that sucks.
This movie took a a lot of big swings and I can really appreciate that as I wasn’t interested in seeing a rehash of ESB. The problem with The Last Jedi is it literally missed on almost of those big chances. The film was visually stunning and the Rey/Ben lightsaber duel taking on the guards was a top Star Wats moment of all time for me, but 95% of those new things didn’t actually fit in a preestablished universe. New == automatically mean better quality but I will commend them taking really bold chance. It just didn’t work. And that sucks.
I ended up somewhat tired and I don’t feel like seeing it again soon. I don’t feel like it has a lot of replayability, not for me at least.
Acting and directing felt pretty good. Writing… not so much.
I hated the mutiny subplot as it lead nowhere. We learned that Poe is brash and impulsive; defiant and not afraid to stand up for his beliefs… then we saw it again… and again… and again and he ended up receiveing only a smack for it; then woke up to be the same. His actions should have gotten him handcuffed or marooned, but no, everyone was “aw, Poe is gonna Poe”.
I felt Holdo was completely unnecessary. Laura Dern must have sick connections at Lucasfilm. All of her purpose could have been filled by Ackbar and a fan-favorite could’ve had an heroic sendoff. Instead we got “oh, fish guy was blown away” and “oh noooo tall lady in the cocktail dress who we had never seen is making the ultimate sacrifice; please Force no, sob”.
The Finn/Rose subplot was fun, although the message felt a bit heavy handed. Rich people = bad.
I miss Palpatine. After seeing Snoke go out like a chump, I’m not even extremely eager to know where he came from, he was just a plot device like Lor San Tekka. Even Darth Maul who was an apprentice can overcome getting sliced better than Mr. I cannot be betrayed.
Kylo Ren is the meanest villiain ever. He not only wants to destroy my generation and the one before; he also wants to destroy Star Wars!
I still feel we’re seeing too few aliens in comparison to the prequels. Missing familiar species. Does George hold the rights on Rodians, Duros, Twi’lek or something?
While I’m ok with Rey Nobody, I’m still suspecting there’s more to it, espcially after seeing slave kid at the end. I suscribe to the ‘Boys from Brazil’ theory that there is an attempt to make powerful darksiders by giving them the life of Anakin Skywalker.
I’d have liked to see R2 power down for good right there with Luke when he dies. After all, he has been made obsolete by the superhero coin-shooting, walker-driving, BB8
I really hope Ep. IX is not just about the Adventures of Kylo Ren and Rey’s romantic shenanigans but I have zero trust in Abrams; especially after Rian Johnson mopped the floor with him.
I hated that R2 was regulated to one scene. He was on the falcon when they went to Crait right? What was he doing? Nothing? Oh okay.
He was clearly shown scanning Crait looking for the Resistance survivors.
He was clearly shown scanning Crait looking for the Resistance survivors.
Was he? I thought that was Chewie.
Pretty sure R2 was plugged in to the falcon at that point.
I bet – even wen they are defending the movie right now – that they see very well what’s happening and JJ will try to fix it making just another incoherent movie with the previous one. Do you believe me when I say with great sadness this will be the first bluray I won’t buy?
I bet – even wen they are defending the movie right now – that they see very well what’s happening and JJ will try to fix it making just another incoherent movie with the previous one. Do you believe me when I say with great sadness this will be the first bluray I won’t buy?
if you go for thrill over nuance then youll be left wondering why people have problems with this movie. Its not that it was different. Some different things worked, some didnt and the whole different factor has nothing to do with main problems, its the attention to detail that is lacking that even a Star Wars fan on here could have corrected or made better.
You can feel the lack of cohesion between JJ and Rian.
These movies existed in different universes and even then they both told Captain Phasma to go fuck herself.
Really felt like Rian didn’t know what to do with a lot of these characters.
After Rey Palpatine and Snoke Windu, I have little faith that Star Wars fans are capable of coming up with anything remotely credible.
A Star Wars fan with common sense.
And Rey Palpatine is leagues better than Mace as Snoke.
This broad brush “hater gonna hate, chill out bro mentality” is just as bad as “super angry random theory Porg is Snoke guy”
True. It’s also human nature that when you like something you don’t want to listen to criticism of it, and when you don’t all you want to do is criticise. It makes for a fair bit of drama when something as divisive as this film comes out.
Rian said it many times – he was allowed to do anything and there never was a structure story for this trilogy.
I didn’t know what to think about TLJ last night when I saw it; upon second viewing I really love it.
Me too.
A lot of people said that for The Empire Strikes Back as well when it was first released.
That physically pained me to see this turdburger compared to ESB.
Yea this Empire reviewed bad argument has nothing to do with anything
I will say this….*SPOILER*
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If Phasma comes back in the next one, everyone should be fired! This is a character they have tried to sell as a powerful woman, and has FAILED miserably. The Finn/Rose/DJ storyline was miserable.
Luke went through all that trouble with Vader and then is a second away from killing his nephew in his sleep.
Rian added a part of his vision just because. The story would have worked fine with Luke being a regret filled naive teacher that would have been more in character then weird hermit Luke who forgot the plot point that made him a legend in the first place.
And why was Kylo Ren talking to Vaders helmet like Vader was actually there?
Answer:
Star Wars Episode 9: Everyones a Special Jedi
Star Wars Episode 9: Everyone gets a trophy
Well, Star Wars is supposed to appeal to each generation’s kids, so they’re probably on the right track there!
Because Kylo “Say it” Ren is just wierd….
I felt this was a pretty good movie, but as others have pointed out much of it didn’t work. Finn/Rose plot could’ve been removed and the movie would be the same. Snoke was lame. Phasma was so lame, the movie would’ve been better without her. My biggest gripe was why couldn’t the first order catch the fleet? Couldn’t they just jump a few ships ahead of the fleet? It’s like they just couldn’t be bothered.
On the other hand lots worked well. Luke was brilliant, Kylo Ren was brilliant and the Kylo/Rey story seems to be working out really well. There were surprises- a rarity in a Star Wars movie.
It occurred to me in the cinema, but I think they were almost gloating while watching their prey run out of steam, rather than just finishing them off instantly.
I think the movie explains why the Resistance Fleet ends being only the Falcon, and why Snoke disappear.
Few characters survive from the Resistance, you must tell their story, Finn, Rose, Poe, Leia.
Imagine Finn, Rose, Poe stay in their ships, didn´t try to do anything.
Yoda said it, it is also learning from failure.
And Rose/Finn adventure also explain Holdo final decission. The mistakes of Poe, Rose, Finn, drive to that fatal solution for the First Order. It would not have happened like that in the other case.
I prefer if Star Wars is not only about Jedi and other stories are part of it.
Everyone has a goal in this film and nobody, with the exception of Luke, accomplishes their goal.
Kylo Ren wants to get Rey to join him. Snoke wants Kylo Ren to kill Rey and Luke, and wants to destroy the Resistance. Finn and Rose want to help the Resistance escape by disabling the First Order’s tracker. Poe wants to be a leader. Rey wants to learn the ways of the Jedi from Luke, and wants to turn Ben Solo back to the light. Not a single of these goals ends up being accomplished. Everyone fails every step of the way, except for Luke who, having failed prior to TFA, now succeeds in accepting that failure, learning from it, and giving the Resistance hope, while allowing himself to become one with the Force.
There was a point to every plot, even the Finn/Rose plot that everyone seems to believe was pointless. It was not. It was the story of their failure, just as the rest of the film was about everyone elses failures. The point of the film was learning from mistakes, using those failures to better yourself and to encourage others. Even Yoda himself said as much.
And in regards to your biggest gripe, which at first was one of mine as well, the answer is that it is one of Snokes’ failures. Snoke is arrogant, just as Palpatine was. He, like Palpatine, believes he has ultimate control over every situation. He wanted the Resistance to have hope, just so he could take it away from them. He was essentially playing with his prey, letting them slowly run out of fuel before he destroyed them.
Everyone has a goal in this film and nobody, with the exception of Luke, accomplishes their goal.
Kylo Ren wants to get Rey to join him. Snoke wants Kylo Ren to kill Rey and Luke, and wants to destroy the Resistance. Finn and Rose want to help the Resistance escape by disabling the First Order’s tracker. Poe wants to be a leader. Rey wants to learn the ways of the Jedi from Luke, and wants to turn Ben Solo back to the light. Not a single of these goals ends up being accomplished. Everyone fails every step of the way, except for Luke who, having failed prior to TFA, now succeeds in accepting that failure, learning from it, and giving the Resistance hope, while allowing himself to become one with the Force.
There was a point to every plot, even the Finn/Rose plot that everyone seems to believe was pointless. It was not. It was the story of their failure, just as the rest of the film was about everyone elses failures. The point of the film was learning from mistakes, using those failures to better yourself and to encourage others. Even Yoda himself said as much.
And in regards to your biggest gripe, which at first was one of mine as well, the answer is that it is one of Snokes’ failures. Snoke is arrogant, just as Palpatine was. He, like Palpatine, believes he has ultimate control over every situation. He wanted the Resistance to have hope, just so he could take it away from them. He was essentially playing with his prey, letting them slowly run out of fuel before he destroyed them.
Wow, I didn’t see it that way, but I agree, except for one thinkg: Poe achieves his goal. In the beginning, he wants to blow everything up, until the point where he takes control of the ship. In the end, he breaks up the attack on the canon and keeps Fin from helping Luke. Instead, he searches for a way out – and when he says “follow me”, Leia answers “follow him”, so he reached his goal in the end, by learning from his mistakes.
93% critic reviews
57% audience reviews and dropping from 3 hours ago.
It’s now lower than all the prequels. What timeline is this??
The one where the a filmmaker has the hubris to shit on the pre-established lore and instead of building on it and adapting it, decided to take a major risk (while admirable) and swung and missed. The prequels were bad for entirely different reasons, but man I don’t think I’ve ever been this disappointed by Star Wars before in my life.
fatality.
People really like to slag off The Phantom Menance, not me. Had some of the best snoozes in my life watching that movie in the theatre.
I’m sad that all of my friends gave this movie a bad rating. They were so open minded and were happy with just every movie so far including the prequels and now they are saying this is bad story, no coherence, Luke different at the end of7 and beginning of 8, the map, gravity, they complain about everything…..I always wanted every SW movie to be succesful…. ☹ I would rather give no rating than a bad one…..
How bizarre is that?! I thought for sure the high critic ratings were a good sign. Shows what I know…
What it really shows you is the danger of insisting the movie is terrible if it doesn’t conform to you pet theory instead of going in to experience art with an a open mind.
Or the danger of insisting this movie isn’t terrible b/c that’s what they told you.
Nothing about that makes sense, but nice try with the “no, you are!” comeback lol.
Nope, the guy expressed no pet theory that you ascribe to him. lol
I didn’t ascribe anything to him. This is about audience and critic reviews so I thought it was obvious that I was using a general, hypothetical “you” rather than referring to any one specific person here.
You did b/c you replied to an individual instead of creating a general comment. And it’s “your pet theory” not “you pet theory”.
Thank you for the correction. If you don’t believe that my comment was a general one, so be it. That, however, is my claim and I’m sticking to it.
That’s fine, I’ll stick with the English language.
Then in the interest of furthering your education, consider the second definition here:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/you?s=t
Not reading your link, you addressed a person. Lookup context.
I can lead a moron to information, but I can’t make him learn. Enjoy your ignorance.
Did you lookup context yet? Hopeless …
I don’t know why you’re so OCD on this. The guy I made the original reply to understood. He upvoted the comment. Meanwhile you’re upvoting yourself…
I wish people would stop saying those of us that hated it only hate it because it didn’t play out the way we theorized. I had no theories. I went in with an open mind – having no idea where the story would go. My problems with the movie are not really the overall STORY anyway – its just all kinds of little things.
I wish people would stop saying those of us that hated it only hate it because it didn’t play out the way we theorized. I had no theories. I went in with an open mind – having no idea where the story would go. My problems with the movie are not really the overall STORY anyway – its just all kinds of little things.
Fair enough, but if you’ve spent any time in this forum, you can’t deny that lots of people have literally said that if certain things don’t pan out the way they want, they will reject the movie.
That’s the problem. This is not Sundance this is Star Wars. I appreciate a good film with artistic nuance like anyone else. This is Star Wars. It’s has a formula that worked for 40 years. Why mess with it?
But this was hardly an indie flick. It was very much Star Wars, just under the direction of someone who wanted to shake up the status quo a bit. Further, given the majority opinions on the Prequels, I’d say perhaps the formula hadn’t been working. TFA was criticized for playing it safe and being a soft reboot, TLJ for being too different. There is a fundamental, underlying issue that people have a version of what these movies should be and I think that closes them off from instead embracing what they are.
I think J.J. Abrams nailed it with 7. It wasn’t too safe. And overall it had a higher rating than 8. But it seems that Rian purposely took a different tone than everything that J.J. set up in 7. The two movies did not seem connected at all.
I’m not sure if we’re now talking about tone or things that JJ set up. Empire had a very different tone from it’s predecessor too if you recall.
Formula is the death of any saga.
They’re bought and paid for, don’t kid yourself.
They’re bought and paid for, don’t kid yourself.
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Not really
Yes really. Prove that they’re “bought and paid for”. Otherwise your statement is completely invalid.
Welcome to the world kiddo.
That’s…that’s not actually proof. I mean like ACTUALLY prove it. Condescension isn’t proof, lol
The “Audience” score doesnt really reflect the average movie going audience though. It reflects what the average Rotten Tomatoes user thought of the film. I dont know who these people are really or what they based their scores on, but I just know they dont reflect a cross section the general population who saw the movie.
You KNOW this, lol.
YES literally. If you want a sample of a general population, you cannot get it by sampling a SPECIFIC demographic within that population. Whats wrong you you? User you brain.
From over 100.000 reviewers….
Did anyone notice that there is only one instance in the whole movie of a lightsaber clashing with another lightsaber? That one moment in the flashback.
Think about it – Rey doesn’t fight Luke with a saber. Rey and Ren fight together then fight with the force. Luke is a hologram/projection (this is a spoiler article so I think I can say that safely now!), and his lightsaber doesn’t clash with Kylo’s.
So none of the usual lightsaber noises we used to make as kids when recreating battles!
I call him Force Projection.
I did notice Laura Dern make “Phew! Phew!” noises with her mouth when she fires her blaster.
Also, Gareth Edwards as a Resistance trooper in the Crait trenches.
LOL, Snoke is just some random a-hole with powers. Rey’s parents are nobodies. Luke dies from fatigue. Ackbar is quickly killed off to be replaced with the worthless Holdo character. They inserted some lame Del Toro character where Billy Dee would have been 10 times better. There is a PETA ad in the middle of the film. Chewie and the droids do almost nothing. Luke’s character makes no sense. They had no idea what to do with Phasma so she’s killed off when they got to the end of the movie and realized they hadn’t included her. And the ending scene is about the worst I’ve ever seen in any movie.
I just hate the missed opportunities. Replace HOLDO with ACKBAR. Have things play out the same – but the impact would have been 10X better. Imagine Ackbar staying on the ship out of duty – then turning on the Imperials and going light-speed thru their ship. It would have been epic! What a send-off for Ackbar. Especially when the rebel’s ship was the Raddus. Makes the story fit so much better then inserting yet another female character just for the sake of her being a female.
I just hate the missed opportunities. Replace HOLDO with ACKBAR. Have things play out the same – but the impact would have been 10X better. Imagine Ackbar staying on the ship out of duty – then turning on the Imperials and going light-speed thru their ship. It would have been epic! What a send-off for Ackbar. Especially when the rebel’s ship was the Raddus. Makes the story fit so much better then inserting yet another female character just for the sake of her being a female.
Yep, that was a big miss. One of MANY unfortunately …
Wow, just read this and I am think that would have been awesome….but sadly……..:( He was sucked out into space.
Mark Kermode’s review really nailed my thoughts on this movie for me:
https://youtu.be/F24byGT3rlI
This guy has no credibility. “I never liked Star Wars until Force Awakens”. Whatever. Shut up about it then.
He’s one of the most respected film critics in the business. He never understood SW until he saw The Force Awakens, where he was a whopping and a cheering with the rest of the audience.
Re: “He never understood SW until he saw The Force Awakens”
If he never understood SW until TFA (implying “get it” & really enjoy it) … then he’s admittedly not qualified to judge the series.
He’s also a complete dick who is the single most pretentious film critic in the UK. Are you going to ignore every other review in the UK that says how amazing it was? Balance anyone?
He gave it a really good review. 4 out of 5 stars.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/17/star-wars-the-last-jedi-review-force-is-strong-with-this-one?CMP=share_btn_tw
He gave it a really good review. 4 out of 5 stars.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/17/star-wars-the-last-jedi-review-force-is-strong-with-this-one?CMP=share_btn_tw
This isn’t going how I expected it to go, good guys do things that don’t work, heroes are fallible. They didn’t make it like I wanted in my head.. I’M SO ANGRY
That’s too bad, most of us just don’t like it b/c it’s a terrible movie full of agendas and twists for the sake of twists.
‘Most?’ Haha. Speak for yourself. Do you have evidence that ‘most’ of us hated it?
Lowest audience score of any Star Wars movie on Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic.
Yep, Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic, basically the Internet.
Yes, and the internet is made up of the most enlightened people in society. Definitely not full of dregs who have nothing to do all day but stare at their screen and spread their idiocy throughout social media. Heavens no!
Yeah, way different from this site.
i loved it.
Sounds like the OT.
“Milking the Space Walrus” is the new “Jumping the Shark” or “Nuking the Refrigerator”.
Every Star Wars film since 1977 has been full of flaws. TLJ, with all of its flaws, is the best of the saga for me. Sorry it didn’t work out for some of you….
What parts were fun or enjoyable? Did you feel satisfied with the “answers” to the questions from VII?
totally agree. Woyuldn’t it be dull if every film just played to the fan boys .. Make our jaws drop. Make us think ” i didn’t see that coming”..Make us bloody well gasp out loud in the cinema. If you didn’t do that when Kylo slashed the sabre through luke then i dont know what would. the final scene of luke looking at the twin suns and fading away was absolutely beautiful and made me and my 10 year old daughter cry. I’ve lived and breathed star wars since i was a 5 year old back in ’77 and apart from the odd flaw, this was absoltely fantastic. the funny thing is, people came out of Empire back in 1981 saying that it wasn’t “Star Wars”, and that it was miserable and didn’t finish like the first one. My parents (Star wars fans in their 70’s now!) still don’t like Empire!
My View is in 1977 I was 5 and Star Wars was great Empire was my favourite out of the 3 but It took me a while to get to that view. I wasn’t a hater or a lover of the PT. However I think they were aimed at kids my son likes them but I think the original audience had grown up (most of them) and if they were in their 20’s or 30’s when the OT came out maybe their view of them would be different. TFA and RO I think tried too hard to please the fans and that didn’t work for me. TLJ for me was fantastic both me and my son loved it. I would like to know the people that do like it or hate it what age they were when the originals came out and their age now to see if this is true. Most people I have spoken to around my age think this film is fantastic.
I felt like Johnson went out of his way to make sure that none of the fan theories about anything were true. And not only that but I almost felt offended, like Johnson was sort of making a mockery of things the fans care so deeply about. Fans waited two years to see Rey and Luke meet. Johnson asked Abrams to change the end of Force Awakens so he could have that moment and he turned it into a joke. Everyone expected that to be an all time epic Star Wars moment so Johnson made sure it wasn’t. One of the biggest theories debated between fans was Snoke’s identity and he was made utterly insignificant. Not only is he not Darth Plagueis, he’s nobody cuz he’s dead and without a fight. Again another potentially epic moment turned into a joke. I’m not saying that Johnson should have run around paying fan service but Star Wars is steeped in mythology that we all care very deeply about. If everything is meaningless, if the characters we are all trying so hard to care about are no one, then Johnson just simply doesn’t get it. Rogue One was more connected to the Skywalker trilogies than this movie. I’ve seen it twice and still walked away feeling like my dog just got hit by a car. Help us Dave Filoni, you’re our only hope.
I feel you man. I left the theater very disappointed. I have come to this conclusion…Rian Johnson ,like most Hollywood directors, is a turd who purposely like to stick it to the fan base and take pleasure in it. Even Hamill felt he was being a turd (but he was nice about by saying he fundamentally disgreed with Rian). They think subversion is cool. The only people they impress are the elite turds in Hollywood. I can think of so many other turd directors…Paul Fiege, Zack Snyder, Ridley Scott… who want to subvert their fan base and their movies bomb. The Last Jedi will be a financial success just because it’s Star Wars. But It will be the lowest audience reviewed movie of all Star Wars movies, even lower than TPM.
I wanted Luke to die( sort of ) but not the way he did; do all Jedi disappear after straining? Let’s hope they never get constipated. How about one final light sabre battle against overwhelming odds? He could of showed us the old magic then died a heroes death. Specific I know, but the original Luke Skywalker just got killed from concentrating so I’m rewriting how it should of gone in my head to ease the disappointment. I’ll try not to think about it too much or I could vanish into thin air as well.
only after straining…
Weekend is winding down and VIII is still trailing II in Tomatoes. Audiences have spoken, all-time bomb.
Audiences have NOT spoken. Rotten Tomato users have. Do you think the average movie audience uses that site to rate and review movies? No. They might check it out to see the scores, but they are not users. Its a specific type of person who signs up for that website and wants to go through the trouble of rating and writing a review…meaning you are not looking at the general consensus of the movie going public.
Audiences have NOT spoken. Rotten Tomato users have. Do you think the average movie audience uses that site to rate and review movies? No. They might check it out to see the scores, but they are not users. Its a specific type of person who signs up for that website and wants to go through the trouble of rating and writing a review…meaning you are not looking at the general consensus of the movie going public.
So what, you think people who don’t like Star Wars are just trying to mess with you (without messing with ANY of the other SW movies)? You can believe whatever you want but seriously?
No. Im not addressing or even disputing the score. Im just pointing out that youre wrong when you say “Audiences have spoken, all-time bomb.” Youre implying that everyone who saw the movie had a generally bad opinion or rating on the movie, just because of a score you got from one of the many movie rating websites.
I thought using Lightspeed was an awesome idea. Just wasn’t executed very well in the movie to me. Oh, and I get that the only way it worked is because the Raddus was such a huge ship. You couldn’t ever take an X-Wing to light speed and damage a Star Destroyer. You’d just blow up your X-Wing.
Any proof?
You are right.
We don´t know who and how many are that Resistance never arrived to Crait from the limits of the Galaxy.
We don´t know how many destroyers, bases, assests have the First Order left.
I guess Ep. IX will leave some time between so both can in some way rebuild it.
I can’t believe most of the Star Wars sites are praising this movie. I think their agenda has blinded them. This movie has so much bad, I can’t even list it all here. So sad. Can’t wait for JJ Abrams return.