UPDATE 2! Details on The Last Jedi Footage Shown at Disney’s Shareholders Meeting.
Today, during Disney’s shareholders meeting, footage from The Last Jedi was shown. Thanks to LA Times reported Daniel Miller we get a few tidbits about some of the brief shots shown during the event, including Luke’s first words to Rey after he accepts the lightsaber.
Some really interesting bits, thanks to Daniel Miller:
“Star Wars: The Last Jedi” clip is being screened. But it’s a joke, sort of! We just got a few seconds of Rey handing Luke a lightsaber.
— Daniel Miller (@DanielNMiller) March 8, 2017
We just saw more “Star Wars: The Last Jedi” footage. In it, Luke asks Rey, “Who are you?” Then we see her deftly handle a lightsaber.
— Daniel Miller (@DanielNMiller) March 8, 2017
Also making appearances in “The Last Jedi” footage: Chewbacca, General Leia Organa and Finn.
— Daniel Miller (@DanielNMiller) March 8, 2017
One last thing on the “Last Jedi” footage: We saw all sorts of settings — mountains, oceans, forests, deserts. Look suitably epic, exotic.
— Daniel Miller (@DanielNMiller) March 8, 2017
More on “The Last Jedi” clip: We saw a shot of an X-wing wobbling mid-air, under attack inside a giant ship. Looked like a wounded bird.
— Daniel Miller (@DanielNMiller) March 8, 2017
More on “The Last Jedi” clip, since ppl are asking: General Leia Organa was onscreen for just a second in military garb and didn’t speak.
— Daniel Miller (@DanielNMiller) March 8, 2017
So if Rey was Luke’s daughter, he would have felt her, right? Is this the end of the “Rey is a Skywalker” saga? It seems so. Still, Luke’s line contradicts with The Force Awakens script, but we really don’t know the context of the scene so it could be anything, including Luke messing with her.
Also the exact same players mentioned from the footage are the same we were hearing to appear in TLJ teaser a month ago:
Remember this tweet? The exact 4 characters appeared in TLJ footage shown today. Still not sure if this will be the teaser though.#StarWars https://t.co/FYc1tcdBQs
— SWNN (@StarWarsNewsNet) March 8, 2017
We can’t confirm though if this footage is the same the the regular fans will see when the trailer arrives. Time will tell.
What do you think?
UPDATE!
Additional details about the footage shown have become apparent on TFN’s Jedi Council Forums. If the poster is to be believed, then a clearer picture about the movie arises:
This is what was shown (these aren’t in order, but the Luke scene is early in the reel):
- Luke in a hut on Ahch-To asking Rey “Who Are You?”
- Finn in a First Order uniform on the bridge of a Star Destroyer (or other big ship).
- General Leia.
- Several shots showing Rey spinning her lightsaber in practice.
- Captain Phasma.
- Chewie roaring.
- Poe in his X-Wing cockpit yelling “It’s now or never” to BB-8.
- Ships flying in space.
- An X-Wing coming in for a crash landing.
While these details don’t really present a clear narrative for the plot of the film, it does tell us quite a bit. The first thing it suggests is that “Who are you?” are NOT Luke’s first words to Rey, as it’s already established that Luke and Rey first met at the top of a cliff on the island. While it’s not impossible to imagine that Luke would wordlessly direct Rey over to enter his humble abode before talking with her, it’s incredibly unlikely to happen and would require a lot of awkwardness on the part of the cast in order to actually play out, and that’s not time spent very efficiently. Secondly, it confirms the prior report about Finn donning a First Order uniform to go undercover. Third (and lastly), it mentions the presence of Captain Phasma, BB-8, and Poe Dameron – something that Mr. Miller did not include in his initial report.
Another report from SLC Fanboys corroborates the above, but also adds some additional information. The first footage shown is a scene of Luke wordlessly taking his father’s lightsaber from Rey using both of his hands, followed by a wide shot of him looking up from the lightsaber in his palms to Rey. The scene of Leia has her turning toward the camera with a hologram of the Resistance (New Republic?) fleet behind her, which is followed by another shot of a few Resistance starships flying by the freighters Leia was looking at moments earlier. Finally, they explicitly mention that Snoke and Kylo Ren are absent from the sizzle reel shown, as previously implied by the above description. If this information is indeed true, then it appears as though we have a lot to look forward to next month (presuming that all of this is part of the teaser).
UPDATE 2!
A day later, the LA Times reporter Daniel Miller recalled another shot from the footage shown at the shareholders’ meeting:
Finally, “The Last Jedi” footage included a shot of Rey, clearly under duress, surrounded by many small orbs of light that hung in the air.
— Daniel Miller (@DanielNMiller) March 9, 2017
It’s very strange that no one from the people who saw the footage, mentioned this scene, which seems very important and memorable.
As FuriousFanboys pointed out, these mysterious orbs were already used in The Clone Wars and Rebels.
In Rebels, Yoda used the orbs to guide Ezra through the Jedi Temple on Lothal.
Also /Film has a few more details about the footage:
- Finn dressed as a First Order Officer on the bridge of a First Order ship. Actress Kelly Marie Tran was standing to Finn’s left, also dressed in a First Order uniform.
- Rey’s hand, in slow motion, with all five fingertips touching the ground and pebbles and dirt hovering around her hand.
- There was also a wide shot of the island, with Rey out on the point of a ridge practicing with her lightsaber as Luke is farther up the ridge, looking down towards her.
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So there will not be a bantha in this scene?
It’ll be digitally added later, in the Special Edition version of the film.
20 years later
When.Is.The.Trailer.Coming.Out?
Patience, my young apprentice
Yes master.
April 14 at Star Wars Celebration
Maybe this is the first trailer? Luke’s first words in over 30 years!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W7c8QghPxk
The Force Awakens illustration hints to a different thought process Luke had at that moment.
Hate to be the “negative Nancy” but this is proof the screen writers were making shit up as they went along, even after the script was done they still have not decide who “Rey” is.
That would be my single biggest fear. Because, if that’s the case my question is: what was the point of TFA? if TFA is to serve as a TV pilot(bad enough as it is), let have some connectivity with the prior movies.
Even the PT, terrible as they were, understood this. Because, really I’d hate for TFA to be rendered absolutely pointless if TLJ can basically be viewed without seeing TFA.
I’d bank on it considering Disney is all about appealing to every demographic possible.
Lot of great stuff comes from making shit up as you go along.
Yep, the first couple of seasons of LOST – Not so much the last few seasons though!
All of Breaking Bad
True, But they had a blue print is a sense with Lucas’s treatments for Episodes 7,8 and 9. Which they decided to scrap and go with something else. I guess lets see how this plays out in December.
Lucas only had a treatment for Episode 7.
And treatments are always different from the finished project. They took his ideas, refined them and made a movie. Check his own treatment on ANH to get an idea how insanely different it is.
Treatments Plural, please look back to news of the day for Oct 30, 2012 for your information.
And no they did not go with what George wanted, not even close.
It was a single treatment, please see the attached photo for your information, straight from Pablo Hidalgo. One treatment for the whole thing, with no clear indication on where to start one movie and where to end it.
I know what I am talking about it, thank you.
And as for what George wanted, all we know about it is what is in the Art of The Force Awakens and the idea for Rey specifically comes from George. A young woman becoming a Jedi. As for the rest, pure speculation.
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This is what I’ve been saying since the release of TFA. Nothing was carved in stone with TFA. JJ and Kasdan let the story completely open for Rian Johnson…
Who cares? Lucas made up the whole OT has he went along, and those movies are great.
remember when Maz asked that same question in the TFA trailer?
…and then it wasn’t in the movie.
Luke asking who she is doesn’t necessarily imply that he doesn’t know. In ESB Yoda asks Luke: “I am wondering, why are you here?” Yoda knows damn well why he’s there.
True, but the scenario is different. Luke was told by Obi Wan to see Yoda, Rey found out by chance from a star map that could have ended up in anyone else s possession.
Most interesting Luke not recognizing her is cool. This could go many directions, but as for the Rey Skywalker theory, I wouldn’t be hasty to throw it away. If this movie is following the format of ESB(note I said format, not actually copying the movie) the big twist/reveal will come no doubt at the end.
Or if Rian is smart(which he is), he’ll twist that twist(say that five times fast 🙂 ) into something unpredictable. As for the contradiction of the TFA script, I hope that is something small. Because, to my knowledge Rian worked on TLJ while TFA was shooting.
So this begs the question: why was even an issue? Aren’t Abrams and Johnson friends? This leads me to suspect two plausibilities. One, LucasFilm has decided to abandon what they’d currently were planning for TFA due to potential fan backlash over similarities. And as such, changed Rian’s screenplay. Which kind of terrifies me. Because, Rian is a fantastic screenwriter.
But the second plausibility is that the story group left Rey’s backstory open ended and that terrifies me. Look, I’m not going to sit and say every writer/author needs to have things figured out when they write.
Part of the joy of writing is when an unexpected idea comes up and you implement it. But someone like Rey, this is something that the story group SHOULD have had down pat. She’s the MC for goodness sake! Overall, I’m optimistic over TLJ, but really this change from the screenplay somewhat scares me.
Wow, one little tweet (I know there were others, but everyone is focused on that one) and all of the speculation and worrying starts! There are so many possible things that could be going on that in no way contradict TFA or throw out the Rey Skywalker theory. For example:
– Luke is asking “Who are you?” not in terms of name or where you come from, but who are you as a person? What kind of person are you? What motivates you?
– Luke could be playing dumb like Yoda did in ESB
– Luke could have amnesia or be otherwise mentally incapacitated on that island
– etc.
Notice that the article says these are Luke’s first words after Rey gives him the lightsaber, but the tweets don’t say anything of the sort. For all we know, Luke asks Rey this question 2/3s into the movie! Another example of shoddy reporting from SWNN!
a movie audience is not going to break it down like that, they will take it at face value.
I disagree. I’ve seen this kind of thing in plenty of movies.
I am not saying none of what you said will not come to be, I think they are all logical points where to look. But if your going to sell something to an audience it has to make sense down to the 5 year old who’s dad took to see this movie.
Not saying either of you is right or wrong – I’m more in DEKKA129’s camp on this one – but I’m fairly sure that a 5 yo has all the tools to understand – from such things as tone and context – the difference between “[I don’t know you,] who are you?” and “[You don’t know yourself,] who are you?”
I agree….maybe…that a 5 year old is going to read between the lines, when I asked them “who are you?” they will have the tools that I want to know their name first and last, Mother and fathers name and where they come from. Has to be a very bright 5 year old, and lets hope that I don’t ask the 5 year old this during their nap time, cause then I am really in trouble.
I look as dialogue from TFA trailers is all. I like this breakdown
Luke not recognizing her isn’t really a big surprise even if he does know her. She has been on Jakku for a long time so you can’t rule out that they aren’t connected somehow. He has never seen her as a grown woman. Although the chances of her being his daughter are getting slimmer by the day.
Wow, this Daniel Miller has some balls. Immidiately tweeting out the confidental insider info he got…
Very nice, what can I say. Although at the leak silence is finally borken.
Typically they would have been greeted at the door with a non disclosure, the fact that he tweeted the info hints that they did not or he just does not care.
I think even approaching any TLJ footage at this point from a mile will grant you a non disclosure…
Interesting that he hasn’t seen her through the force… Or he could just be playing dumb like Yoda did.
I like this idea. The question could be more of a test than an actual question.
Does she know who she is?
I like that idea a lot.
Sounds great to me….I’m in the camp that really wonders if Rey is her actual name…She may serious not know who she is…or what she is capable of. And Luke is her guide on this wild journey! 😀
It’s the same question Maz asks too… as if asking do YOU know who you are?
Very possible, maybe even likely.
I like where this is headed.
Reminds me of when Mark Hamill was saying that he was interested in the whole “Who is Luke Skywalker” thing.
I’m not seeing the contradiction between “Who are you?” and the TFA script that a lot of folks are.
Luke deliberately left a map to his location, indicating that he did intend to eventually be found.
Now, after all these years, a young woman comes walking straight up to him atop this mountain. Not hesitantly or questioningly, like somebody who had just somehow stumbled across him, on this island, on this planet. This is somebody who expected to find him here. Neither her attitude nor her body language is aggressive, nor (we can assume) is the energy that Luke can sense surrounding her.
She’s clearly not an enemy. Had Snoke or Ben found him, their response would most certainly not have been to send a girl like this to deal with him.
Therefore, Luke can safely assume that he’s looking at an ally, or at somebody who has come to find him on behalf of an ally. And that being the case, she can only be here for one reason – to bring him back to deal with what he left behind.
So, naturally, “He doesn’t need to ask her who she is, or what she is doing here.”
He knows who she is in a general sense and what her arrival means.
That isn’t to say that he necessarily knows who she is, specifically.
Succinctly stated. I’m with you on that.
Luke didn’t left the map to be found. absolutely not. It’s Lor San Tekka who eventually found a map leading to the first Jedi Temple. And Him and Leia knew Luke would be there. They’ve been searching for this place for a long time since they knew that’s where Luke went to.
Actually Luke definitely left part of the map with R2 … to be found
Did he? Or did R2 just happen to have it?
Good job he never bothers to empty his recycle bin
I’m pretty sure it says somewhere that Luke left it … maybe in the TFA opening crawl?
Not specifically. It says that Leia’s old ally had found a clue to his whereabouts. We can suppose or guess that perhaps Luke left it, but that may not in fact turn out to be the case.
Maybe? But I think it’s just in R2 as a leftover, not as a clue
No, R2 downloaded imperial archives when he was aboard the Death Star in ANH. It just happend to include an incomplete map to the first Jedi Temple. Lor San Tekka found the missing part after years of searches.That’s official canon. It’s purely accidental…or the fate of the force…but not Luke’s decision. He didn’t leave any clue.
Yeah. The script doesn’t contradict anything. I always felt the very second I saw the seen… that the weight of the inevitable had finally come. He knew someone would arrive… especially after feeling Han die and five planets and it’s people vanish. He could easily not know Rey… but have an idea why she’s there.
That makes a ton of sense. I’m fine with Luke not knowing who she is. We don’t know how long he’s been on Ach-too, so for all we know Rey could be the first person he’s actually seen.
The only thing I’m praying for is not for Luke to be Yoda 2.0. He can have his doubts, but I want him to be his own mentor. Personally, I see him being a bit of Obi-wan and Yoda as in Legends he always seemed like a combination of those two.
Plus, with the updated technology; we can see some truly cool things from this training. Not that I have anything against ESB. It looks incredibly even today. But the effects were limited back then. Some stuff I’m hoping for is to see lightsaber construction in live action via the force; or possibly some cool new Force powers.
Maybe, clairsistence? I’m biased because that was always one of my favorite Force powers from Qunlin Vos.
[cue Spice Girls voice] What we need to see, what we really really need to see, is that fabled TESB cut scene of the stick being “cut into seven pieces if you were a Jedi” 🙂
(I say fabled….. it was indeed filmed !)
Luke
Who are you?
Rey
NEGAN!
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Rey: I’m Batman.
Rey: “That’s what she said!”
Rey: I am no one.
L: mmm your training is complete.
Rey: ok… I leave to meet Jon Snow.
I don’t think Rey is a skywalker, but this dosn’t really preclude that possibility. Rembember, Vader was standing less than a foot from his daughter and later in the same film was within a few feet of his son and didn’t know anything was up until a ways after the fact. Likewise despite leias claim to have ‘somehow always known’, clearly neither of them understood the nature of their relationship. If luke had a daughter he is either unaware of her existence or believes her dead like the rest of the jedi. Besides even he might have a strong feeling about who she is (much like Han and Kylo seem to in a minor way and is hinted at in the last lines of the TFA script with luke), “who are you?” is still the next logical question to ask a visiting stranger and her response will say a lot about who she is. I’m more interested in what she replies.
I think the knowing aspect was probably a sense of familiarity. Not being a trained force user she probably didn’t understand it. Plus who would want to sense that from possibly the most evil minion of the empire? 😛
Anyway as pieces fell together it suddenly sort of made sense to her. Thus the… “somehow always known.”
Gotta remember though that when ANH was filmed Vader wasn’t Luke’s father in Lucas’ mind. When ESB was put together Leia still wasn’t Luke’s sibling in Lucas’ mind, not till Jedi. Which is why it comes off as so genuine, it was a beautiful work of coincidences that allowed him to create the story he wanted despite what he had already cemented in each film.
Very true! My only point was that if, say, we had seen an ESB trailer with a little green puppet saying “Yoda, you seek Yoda!” we might have falsely assumed that he couldn’t have been Yoda, likewise I think people are taking the “Who Are You?” line out of context as definitive proof that Rey is not a skywalker, but I doubt lucasfilm would put the answer to the most key question in the first teaser. So though I personally think Rey is not a skywalker, I definitely still think she could be and this footage is edited together to throw us off the track.
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Luke: Who are you?
Rey: I…..am your daughter.
Luke: Inconceivable!
Guys — what if this is TRAILER FOOTAGE that’s not even in the Movie? We have seen this with both TFA and R1 — with plenty of dialogue & even action scenes in Trailers that are NOT ANYWHERE in the actual movie. I think you guys got RICK-ROLLED here.
But this was showed to Disney people not the general public so are they trolling themselves?
They could be showing the ShareHolders footage from the First Trailer. There is no guarantee to the ShareHolders that this is “exact footage” from the Film’s final edit – which is still being revised minute by minute each day.
GUYS….what if this is THE REAL THING?
We will wait and see.
As stated: ” Otherwise, I would FULLY EXPECT Luke to ask a visitor “Who are
you”….though he probably already knows who she is, I’m sure he wants
to hear her reaction before opening up to her more.”
aah , i always liked the long gaps of time the elapse between films with loads of “this happened , but theres no footage of that so work it out yourselves dummies” ….. eg ord mantel and the battle of tannab or wherever . would be nive if this continued , you know – start with rey saying “thats was a good few months of training , remember when i nearly fell off that cliff and got eaten by a huge flying fish and you had to save me by floating a rock under me ?” …..and luke could say ” good times , right all aboard the falcon weve got good guy stuff to do “
When they did precisely that, while introducing OB1 and Anakin in AotC, i spent most of the whishing they’d shown “that time when they fell in a nest of gundark (or some shit)” instead of the actual movie..
Why do you put spoilers in the titles of your articles?
Stuff shown to the public is a spoiler?
Of course. Ever read a “spoiler review” before for a book or movie that’s just been released?
When somebody is trying to avoid spoilers for a movie, the whole point is that they don’t want to know what happens in the movie.
The first line from a movie? Yeah, I’d definitely consider that a spoiler.
We don’t know that’s the first line. It was in a trailer type clip.
You know it is the first? you just spoiled me. THANKS
Yup, people can be so insensitive when it comes to that. I don’t mind spoilers, but I’m not stupid enough to say them willy nilly. I think a lot of people should understand that a lot more. Especially, when someone says they do not want to be spoiled, don’t spoil them.
If you’re that sensitive towards spoilers, I’d probably avoid Star Wars news sites entirely. Stuff is going to creep out.
Good point…just thought didn’t expect stuff to come out so early.
I hear you. It’s always a balancing act with me. I’m not super sensitive to spoilers, but I also don’t want to read about any major plot points. That said, when stuff leaks out, I find it very difficult to keep away from it; total breakdown of willpower on my part.
@Tom1138 a single, out of context, line of dialogue, is not a spoiler. At best, is food for speculations 🙂
“Who are you?” he asks – can Rey reply “no one” or “a girl has no name” so that Luke can peel off his face to reveal he’s actually Jaqen H’ghar? Wrong show?
I didn’t think Rey was Luke’s daughter, but this is a lame way of finding out she isn’t lol
People are reading the TFA script wrong. I noticed this a long time ago but I finally have to post now.
The TFA script says: “He doesn’t need to ask her who she is, or what she is doing here.”
Great…. but why doesn’t he need to ask that? Does the script say that he already knows?
No. It says: “His look says it all.”
So what does that mean? Grammatically, it means his ‘look’ says what preceded that sentence. He doesn’t ask her VERBALLY, because “HIS LOOK SAYS IT ALL”.
As in, his look asks her these questions.
All we’re going to get until the movie launch is ambiguity. Like the movie title, there is nothing here giving any part of the movie away.
Rey is Han & Leia’s daughter. Leia hugged Rey when she got to the base without being introduced. Han was “the father she never had”. Leia hid her.
Yeah, Han didn’t act like he knew her. Maybe he did. When Maz asks “who’s the girl”, the camera cuts away from them. Alternately, it is possible she was born after Han “left” Leia.
Han and Leia were still together during the events of Bloodline which takes places a mere 7 years before TFA. Also, I didn’t really get the sense that Han “left” Leia, rather that they were driven apart by the loss to Ben to the dark side.
Yes women have hugs forbidden between them in the Resistance, specially to who has watched her husband dying.
Even… aunts have hugs forbidden to nieces too.
What if she calls his bluff, and her reply is, “You know who I am.”
Luke: “Who are you?”
Rey: “i am the one who knocks.”
I dig it.
“I am no one.”
Hmmm, what if the Luke dialogue has been affected by an edit ?? For example, in the final film, he *could* be saying, “Who are you here for ?” or “Who are you working for ?”….. but for this trailer it’s been deliberately cut to create this wonderful ambiguity. Of course, I’m stretching here, I’m still holding out hope that she’s not only a Solo but also had possibly been exiled on Jakku by Luke :o)
AFter the Rogue 1 Trailers in which 50% of the footage was never in the movie, I am forever SUSPICIOUS of footage until I see the film.
The Rogue One reshoots edited out some characters running across a beach. That’s hardly comparable to Luke not knowing the identity of the main character.
Most of the Rogue One Trailers weren’t even in the film. Remember that Tie Fighter confronting Jyn and Stormtroopers in the water LOL. The Force Awakens Trailers also had substantial dialogue not in the actual movie. I no longer trust their Teasers till I see / hear it in the film.
That’s pretty much par for the course stuff as far as trailers go. You should never expect EVERY shot and line of dialogue to appear in a film. You should have come to this conclusion a long time ago.
Actually Film Trailers were originally created based on *GASP* footage that was actually in a movie. This is a more recent development and, in a lot of ways, a tad deceptive. Judging by the Rogue 1 Trailers, some of the BEST shots were left on the cutting room floor. Like I said, I’ll never fully trust the Teaser footage again —- I look at it now as an “EXAMPLE” of the aesthetic of what we will soon, but not absolute. Which is a shame. Period.
“Actually Film Trailers were originally created based on *GASP* footage that was actually in a movie. ”
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What you see above is a still from an Empire Strikes Back trailer from 1979. With that in mind, please show me the scene in ESB in which C-3PO accidentally causes a wampa attack.
I’ll wait 😉
The full line may be: ” Who are you….some kinda last Jedi?”
I presume they’re not showing stuff that won’t be in the marketing. Like the father daughter relationship in Rogue One, which initially appeared to be an accidental reveal, was actually central to how the film was promoted.
People actually think Rey isn’t Luke’s daughter?
The theories have gotten absurd
Next time you encounter a denier, tell ’em, “Okay, good — she’s not his daughter, which is great for Luke, because then he can totally hit that, right? I mean, she’s smokin’ hot, and he’s still got blood pumping through his veins, so why not?” After you say that, watch their body language — they’ll be viscerally disgusted at the notion — not because they’re upset that a twenty-something and an old dude could hook up (it happens all the time), but rather because deep down they know that incest is icky-poo. They know he’s her father.
Everybody knows she’s Chewie’s daughter.
Han never got over the betrayal!
She’s pretty obviously not. Rey Skywalker was a terrible hypothesis from the get-go.
They just need to search their feelings, they’ll know it to be true.
Really hope that the entire film doesn’t take place seconds after TFA and there’s a jump at some point like in the EU stuff.
Same. Because, what would be the point of the Opening Crawl, then? Recap, TFA. I mean yeah, Empire’s crawl did that but it gave more context. My hope is that the movie will start with the ending of TFA but from Luke’s perspective, and then after a few lines of dialogue; it shifts to possibly Han Solo’s funeral.
Because, really; TLJ being the first SWs film to start off immediately after a film is a cool idea. It just needs to be handled with care. And really, I’d be nervous but Rian Johnson is a good director in my opinion and he can pull it off.
They could give info about how the First Order and New Republic are regrouping. I’m guessing that Rey and Chewie traveled for a few days through hyperspace, so both forces could have been doing things during that time.
That I can see.
“WHO ARE YOU?” The Vorlon Question, for those who remember Babylon 5. As some commenters have suggested already, there could be more depth to this question than merely suggesting that Luke is clueless about Rey’s identity.
How it is accented makes a lot of difference. “Who are YOU?” is a trivial everyday question. “WHO are you?” is the Vorlon Question.
Luke better know who Rey is.
Tell that to Kanji Club.
Luke: “who are you”
Rey: “I could be your daughter”
Luke: “uh, Jedi are not supposed to have attachments, tell Mara Jade nice try”
Rey: “so, can I keep the light saber, it called to me. ”
Luke: “NOOOOOOO”
Sooooo I’m presuming this is the sizzle reel you guys reported a few weeks back, no?
-Who are you?
-I am an orphan (not sure), slaved scavenger, awesome pilot (Poe is better) and I am one with the force the force is one with me.
-You are… … … … my father?
Maybe he is asking her who she is to see how she sees herself. “I’m just a Scavenger” or “I’m no one” is the wrong answer. Also, I believe Yoda asked Luke “why are you here?” in Empire even though he knew the answer. A simple “who are you?” seems a little to obvious.
aw man! i really wanted this scene!
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So the look of hope, recognition and acceptance Mark delivered in TFA is all going to be thrown away for a “who are you?” Idk..if I was Luke and some random person holding a lightsaber found my epic hiding spot they’re getting sliced and diced.
You read is his look way different than I did. I feel his look conveys that he is apprehensive, even a bit troubled. I also get out of it that he is not surprised to see someone there.
Ahhh..and that is the beauty of leaving things ambiguous. Guess we’re just gonna have to wait till December.
The script seems to indicate he knew exactly who she was.
You should find my other post on this article. I explain how grammatically, people are misunderstanding that script.
Of course he wasn’t surprised to see her standing there. He just watched her walk up the mountain path for twenty minutes.
Lol.
Nobody knows the context of the comment. Having demonstrated that she is strong with the force, “who are you” might mean “what do you see yourself as?”
Who are you could be rhetorical or not. He could of talked, told her what happened, and then asked. It’s meant to throw us off, nothing more.
There’s no context where that question could be rhetorical. You’re grasping at straws.
We have no context for that question, period. It could be rethorical, it could be the SW version of the Oracle telling Neo that he has to know for himself, it could be a literal “okay, who the heck are you?!”. It could, simply, be marketing and (just like with Maz Kanata asking the same question in the 2nd TFA trailer) is there just to establish a theme – or it could be mere misdirection.
TL;DR Inferring anything, from that line, is “grasping at straws” right now.
In the article: “So if Rey was Luke’s daughter, he would have felt her, right? Is this the end of the “Rey is a Skywalker” saga? It seems so.”
^^Luke can do the same as Yoda did with him: make as if he didn’t know him.
Come on.
Re: “same as Yoda”
Yeah… and… IF Luke does know he has a daughter & wanted to “protect” her by NOT teaching her & staying far away from her….for the same reasons as Yoda he could be probing to see if:
1) she knows who she is
2) she is ready/should be taught vs possibly sending her away to “keep her safe” (relatively speaking)
Maybe once he realizes she’s confronted Kylo & Kylo wants to *turn* her, he’d decide it’s best to train her (similar to Vader threatening to turn Leia prompted him to respond). Luke’s “weakness” (in some sense) was his attachment for his friends.
I mean, when you think about it it makes sense: this relationship between Luke and Rey can’t be simply about “how cool you are” “oh, really? you are so cool too!”. Luke needs to prove her patience first.
Luke could even say “I don’t know Luke Skywalker”. But Rey is already powerful with the force: “You are Luke, b*tch!”
Really looking forward to the initial interactions/relationship between Luke & Rey. If done right (Rian’s good, fingers crossed) this can be very interesting & powerful dynamic.
Related note: SW is such a interesting+fun mix of fantasy, sci-fi, western, etc. The western angle of story telling is famous for having the reluctant (/retired) warrior character, hiding away from his past/deeds who’s drawn out by the needs of others.
What sets Luke a bit apart from Yoda & Ben’s storyline, at this point at least, seems that while Yoda&Ben were in hiding with somewhat of a purpose/waiting for right time (i.e. Luke/situation in galaxy)…so far it seems Luke has ran away from himself/failings. He could be this interesting mix of incredible power & crushed weakness (lost faith).
Most likely this is just meant to throw people off, either that or Luke strongly suspects who she is but wants to hear it from her. Several things from TFA suggest there’s a prior acquaintanceship between the two:
1. Lor San Tekka who has the map to Luke, lives near to Rey on Jakku.
2. In Rey’s vision of past events, she sees Luke and R2, Kylo and the Jedi academy massacre and hears Obi Wan say her name.
3. Kylo sees Luke’s island when probing Rey’s mind.
2 isn’t correct though. Everyone has been assuming that this is the Jedi Academy massacre without any confirmation. Hidalgo hasn’t confirmed it. No novels have confirmed it.I’m starting to think the only 2 past sequences are the Bespin and young Rey ones and the others were of the future.
But if I’m actually wrong feel free to direct me to your source, I could be but I’ve not yet seen anything which confirms that we actually saw the aftermath of the massacre.
And we don’t know it’s “Luke’s island” either, right?
We don’t know, but earlier, there were rumors that Luke and Rey would fight Knights of Ren on Ahch-to. Rey’s vision could be a premonition of that. the past and the future fusing together.
You’re right on the money brotha. I’m thinking the same thing as you.
Maybe Luke was just singing the Who song ‘Who are you’ when Rey walked up with the Lightsaber?
“I really wanna know!”
Someone mentioned this already but Maz asked the same question in TFA trailer.. This is sort of the theme for Ray, finding out who she is, discovering her destiny. This theme is all over Rebels too. Having Luke voice it to her is part of her journey.
Understand & agree with most of what you said…however:
“overconfidence which is why she is showing off her skills to Luke”
I don’t think it’s clear from the description that she’s “showing off”.
It’s quite possible that it’s just a training session with Luke.
Then again, overconfidence/arrogance does seem to be a risk/danger with Force wielders in general.
And she went from zero-to-hero in hours. Girl’s gotta have some attitude.
Don’t forget that in the original trilogy Vader didn’t recognize Leia. Maybe it’s just because he didn’t know he had a daughter but I would think that the force would at least signal to him that there was some connection to this person. He doesn’t even figure it out until he senses Luke’s thoughts and feelings during the final lightsaber fight in RotJ, that’s actually what sets off Luke’s anger. It could be Luke doesn’t expect Rey to show up so he doesn’t recognize her through the force initially. Or maybe, like Vader/Anakin, he doesn’t even know he has a daughter. Could be her mother separated from Luke before she was born and she’s the one who left Rey on Jakku. Just a theory. Not sure I believe it myself but I don’t think that at this point we can assume by asking that question Rey is not Luke’s daughter.
Luke Skywalker – Intergalactic Baby Daddy!
I’m with you. But the reason that worked so well with respect to Vader and Leia in ANH was because Lucas hadn’t actually made the decision to make Vader Luke’s father. And Lucas still hadn’t decided to make Leia and Luke siblings when ESB was being done. So it comes off a genuine by the greatest of happy coincidences.
Also remember the timeline, Luke was still training Ben in Bloodline which was 6 years before TFA. We know Rey is 19 years old. We also don’t know how long after the events of Bloodline Ben made his turn so even if trouble went down at the end of Bloodline, that would put Rey at 13 when everything goes to hell. But in the Force-Back the only scene that we know for a fact is from the past (Yoda told us we see glimpses of past, present and future and I strongly believe some of the scenes we saw like the bodies in the rain surrounding the Knights and Luke w/ R2 have yet to occur) Rey appears to be 6 or 7 years old. If she’s his daughter, we have to wonder why would he drop her off on a desert planet SIX YEARS before the massacre of his students and then go back to still train the other kids and Ben. Or if we assume Ben did it, we still have to assume, why would he drop his cousin off on a desert planet SIX YEARS before his turn, before he knew who his grandfather was… and why wouldn’t Luke, Leia, Han, or any of the other friends they’ve made in the years be dropping everything they were doing to search for a missing little girl? Lucasfilm and Disney gave us those dates and those events. I just can’t buy her being a Skywalker with this in mind unless this is explained.
What I am more interested in is which lightsaber was Rey twirling around?!?!
I guess it must be Anakin’s, as Luke must have his own. Probably later she will get her own. As she was using the staff, I always dream he will get a double blade as Maul.
I’m with you on this. There is an entire thread on this topic in the Cantina, so I am surprised more people aren’t discussing it here.
Re: “Probably later she will get her own”
If patterns are followed – she’ll build her own after she loses the lightsaber along with her hand.
If that happens – that saber is cursed & they need to bury it before a Skywalker grandkid can get their hands on it. 😉
It seems the TFA trailer speech:
“The force is strong in my family… … my sister has it,… you have it too…”
It was to Ben Solo.
Probably they had a similar talk before TFA.
I’m pretty sure they just lifted the audio from Episode VI….
End of training –
Luke says to Rey: who are you?
Rey: I am a Jedi, like my father before me.
Or it could be dialogue from a vision/dream Rey is having.
This doesn’t change anything.
Clearly LFL is aware of the mystery surrounding Rey’s heritage and this is playing into that.
Luke: Who are you?
Rey: I’m Negan.
Luke: Who are you?
Rey: I’m the gal who killed Gus Fring. SAY MY NAME.
Rey: I just sliced your nephew’s face..survived a Rathtar attack and told Kanji Club to kiss my ass..DONT YOU WORRY ABOUT WHO I AM.
….ass, flew the millennium falcon through the engine core of a Star Destroyer, Jedi -mind-tricked a Storm Trooper while strapped to a torture device, and made a loaf of green bread in 5 seconds outta some powder and dirty water in the belly of my AT-AT crib.. DON’T….
Lol
Seriously, they could have watched some alternate take too. This confirms nothing as far as I’m concerned.
I still think she’s his daughter.
She won’t be his daughter.
If I’m right, you buy me a pint of blue milk.
1% or Skim?
He already has his nephew in the first order, if she was his daughter he would send her anywhere else than training her.
Posted this below but it’s in reference to why I don’t think she could be his daughter:
Luke was still training Ben in Bloodline which was 6 years before TFA. We know Rey is 19 years old. We also don’t know how long after the events of Bloodline Ben made his turn so even if trouble went down at the end of Bloodline, that would put Rey at 13 when everything goes to hell. But in the Force-Back the only scene that we know for a fact is from the past (Yoda told us we see glimpses of past, present and future and I strongly believe some of the scenes we saw like the bodies in the rain surrounding the Knights and Luke w/ R2 have yet to occur) Rey appears to be 6 or 7 years old. If she’s his daughter, we have to wonder why would he drop her off on a desert planet SIX YEARS before the massacre of his students and then go back to still train the other kids and Ben. Or if we assume Ben did it, we still have to assume, why would he drop his cousin off on a desert planet SIX YEARS before his turn, before he knew who his grandfather was… and why wouldn’t Luke, Leia, Han, or any of the other friends they’ve made in the years be dropping everything they were doing to search for a missing little girl? Lucasfilm and Disney gave us those dates and those events. I just can’t buy her being a Skywalker with this in mind unless this is explained.
k . kennedy said many times that this sequel trilogy was about skywalker family…
Of which Luke, Leia, and Ben are all members.
Re: “sequel trilogy was about skywalker family..”
All 3x trilogies are about the Skywalker family.
The “story” movies are for telling other tales outside the lineage.
Im reading “The star wars” comic based on lucas first drafts, someone needs to do a fan film of that history ASAP
who are you? i´m no one. — i´ve heard that before
this all sounds awesome, can’t wait to see it next month.
I hope they have a good reason as to Finn being able to go undercover. I could buy them keeping his turn to the resistance under wraps but I don’t know. Seems like they could make up some kind of story and still show him all over the galaxy as a wanted criminal.
my guess is the loss of starkiller base threw the first order into a bit of chaos. i hope phasma shows up to blow his cover and they have a fight.
…with her NEW SPEAR!!!
(MakingStarWars put out a rumor about it.)
i like the sound of that! maybe have the first star wars duel sans lightsaber.
TR-8R?
Finn had a saber though. I’m hoping for a fight with zero lightsabers and new melee weapons. Could be really cool.
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It sounds pretty ridiculous. Yeah, The Heroes Of Yavin did but that was before they were wanted and it’s like they could see their faces on board the shuttle. I mean he was pretty the reason why Starkiller Base was destroyed.
Now, that we have all the information based on that teaser footage shown; I’ll weigh in. So far so good; the stuff sounds decent. I’m excited as I know visually this movie is going to look incredible( a bet still being refined, but that’s what post-production is about, refining a movie).
But also to see Rey’s training. I, like many fans, love ESB. Especially, Luke’s training with Yoda. Dagobah remains my favorite planet in the OT and those scenes with Yoda they are cinematic gold.
The training that will take place, I want it to be fresh/new. Luke needs to be his own mentor. That doesn’t mean he cannot borrow from Yoda or Obi-wan. But rather, I want his training style, if any, to reflect what he possibly did when rebuilding the order. A shame we didn’t see this in the actual Jedi Order, but I won’t beat a dead horse.
Also, on an effects side, this could be cool to see. I love ESB and those effects still hold up. This being the genius of Irwin Kershner and really using the most of what he had. But ESB is an old movie. Let’s see how this is handled for 2017. Especially, considering how film technology is improving at a remarkable rate.
So yeah, I’m excited. 🙂
In regards to Luke’s training style..I would love if after realizing the Jedi were flawed with their mentality on attachment and emotions, that he would actually encourage to use one’s emotions and attachments to influence their connection with the force.
That would have been cool to see. Heck, that would have been amazing had we’d seen Luke’s new Jedi order and him realizing this and have his New Jedi operate like that. But alas, we won’t. Still, it is a cool idea. Because, personally, I want the Jedi to undergo big change. Much like any major religion during a period of stagnation/ being diluted due to people’s with agendas; I want to see the Jedi changed. Where maybe the path of being a Grey Jedi(I know, Grey Jedi don’t exist but really I find it easier to convey it this way) is more of what the Jedi are.
This idea of there being a middle way. Of where emotions aren’t bad. That the darkness comes from the character of an individual, not simply from emotions. Heck, one of my favorite lines from Joelee Bindo from KOTOR was how he spoke about how emotions weren’t what pushed a person to the dark side, but passion.
Passion and character I would say yes. I wouldn’t be surprised if Luke tried it the way of the old first which resulted in them failing again, so now with Rey he is doing it HIS way and going at it from an entirely different approach.
Which if that’s the case, I can dig it. Still, a part of me wished we could have seen Luke’s order. Because, really; then, if this lesson was the case, I could see it being just as impactful if not more.
So did I..I was expecting episode VII to have Luke and the Jedi be thriving again..and if anything the conflict could have been the republic begging the Jedi to help since maybe Luke thought they should stay away from political affairs since that contributed to their demise during the PT. But no..we got another slaughter. And a slaughter that happened off screen to make it worse. But It’s all good though let’s see where we go from here.
The ST so far feels like a big reset button. I’m not going to say that Legends post ROTJ was amazing. Thrawn Trilogy aside, some of the choices like the NJO and Vong I find mixed bags. But at the very least those choices were creative. Just because the PT was bad didn’t mean anything for this ST.
That trilogy and its story was done. LucasFIlm honestly played it too safe. And really, things that should have been obvious, like having our established heroes in positions of power and really allowing the next generation to take over would have been fine. Because, in a perfect world, the ST would have been made when Hamill, Fisher and Ford were still relatively young.
But too late for that. Especially, now with Fisher gone. But regardless, I’ll give Rian Johnson the benefit of the doubt. He’s a talented director and I’m confident he’ll make this ST work. Because, really so far it’s been quite meh for me.
I agree..I can’t wait for VIII though and I AM READY to see footage already lol
You know they’ll release a Young Kylo comic someday. There’s just no way that they won’t.
Nothing too exciting from the sound of it but descriptions never do footage justice and it is a teaser. Not really sure why anyone would get excited over Phasma coming back though unless she was actually doing something this time around other than strut around.
I really want to see something new too even if it goes into bizarre-o PT land. I really hope I’m wrong here but it seems like the ST is tailor made for newbie fans while the spinoffs are for ones who’s first SW film wasn’t Episode VII.
People would get excited over Phasma, a character that barely was in the previous movie, looked badass, got 5 lines of dialogue, did nothing memorable, was established to be somewhat menacing but only acted like a cowardly opportunist, for the exact same reason people ended up obsessing over Boba Fett, a character that barely was in the movies, looked badass, got 5 lines of dialogue, did nothing memorable, was established to be somewhat menacing but only acted like a greedy opportunist.
Also, I don’t agree with “let’s have something new for the sake of having something new”. SW was never ‘original’, it invented – literally – nothing, but did a wonderful job at taking stuff that already existed (character, plot points, designs and aesthetics) and mixed it into something well written. It really doesn’t need that kind of approach (“new for the sake of new” gave us stuff like ‘Dexter Jexter’, for cryin’ out loud).
Last thing: SW movies have been tailor made to make money, by appealing to the widest audience possible, since 1977. It really is that simple.
https://media.giphy.com/media/13py6c5BSnBkic/giphy.gif Damn son.
I always thought Boba Fett in Empire was quite iconic, the bounty hunter’s scene, tracking the Falcon in Slave 1, and ending up with the carbonised Han Solo (in doing so, setting up the the first act of the sequel). We, the audience got a glimpse of his potential and wanted more. Unfortunately, in Return of the Jedi we got a chump.
I would argue Star Wars, Empire, The Force Awakens, and Rogue One were aimed at the broadest audience, but Return of the Jedi (to a lesser extent), and the prequels were aimed more at a younger audience.
The “let’s have something new for the sake of having something new”, I agree, is just plain silly.
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I sense something,…..a hype I’ve not felt since…
https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2014/04/star-wars-episode-7-disney-executive.html
And that’s not the first line.
I’m actually surprised at how little attention has been given to the question of who the love interests are in this movie.
Everyone seems to be hung up on Rey’s parentage. And remember the other individual on Jakku who was vital to the story; no one seems to mention him either. Curious.
Spoiler Caution/
First line is:
“You’re late. And you can keep that, you’re going to need it.”
Mm interesting. Is that Luke saying to Rey “You’re late” If so that would suggest he does know who she is
It would be Snoke to Kylo/Commander Ronald Weasley.
I will not read these news.
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Who Are You? I have to agree it seems highly unlikely that Luke would wait until he got Rey back to the buildings to ask her that Question…. it’s more likely the way the scene has been cut… Rey first telling Luke he has to come back from seclusion.. and Luke replying something like.. “Who are you…. to tell me what to do?”..
Nobody comment about the best chemistry couple in TFA:
Poe and BB8.
It seems they are on something important, now or never.
haha!
What if Rey asks Luke “Who am I?”
To which Luke replies “Who are you? Who are you? why you’re the …….(fill in the blank)”
As you may recall from Episode VII’s trailers, Maz was also supposed to say “who are you ?” on TFA, but that line never made into the actual final cut. So, I wouldn’t put too much weight on early footage.
Having said that, the leaked footage sounds awesome.
Luke grabs the lightsaber with both his hands – he only has one hand, technically that is.
Can’t wait for this movie, hopefully it’s not taking too heavily from Empire. I know Rey needs training, think it would be awesome if they can show the contrast of Luke’s training with Rey and Snoke’s with Kylo Ren.
We’re gonna need a montage, montaaagge, a Jedi training montage.
Hey, why not make a remake of empire strikes back too while they´are at it?
Would be awesome if Luke takes the saber and then strikes her down, ha ha ha! No one would see it coming.
With all of his hatred?
The “Who are you?” …..could very simply mean……. “show me what you got” I’m not reading into that literally too much…..