John Boyega: Finn Will Have a More Physical Role in a Much Darker Star Wars Episode VIII
John Boyega spoke with the Vogue discussing his nomination for BAFTA award, The Force Awakens spoilers, and what we should expect from Episode VIII. Read on for the details…
From Vogue:
This week you’ve been nominated for an EE BAFTA Rising Star award – how does that feel?
“It feels great, of course. Especially to be alongside the other amazing talents who are in the category. It’s very flattering. I’ve been to BAFTA before actually, but it will be amazing to be there as a nominee. I’ve not prepared a speech or anything though, definitely not, it doesn’t feel real at the moment.”
We should say “spoiler alert” before this question, but is it a relief to finally be able to talk more openly about Star Wars: The Force Awakens – you’ve had months of interviews where you’ve had to be very secretive? Did you even tell your friends and family what happens?“Yes, at last! Han Solo dies, OK? He dies. Phew. It feels good. But now, we just starting work on Star Wars VIII, the next film, so I’m back to keeping secrets again.”
Your co-star Daisy Ridley has already praised how good the script is.
“It’s great. Much darker, but we’re very excited.”
You must’ve still had some pinch-yourself moments, when you’ve really realised how big the film is?
“Most of those happened on set. Working with Harrison Ford or just seeing where we were filming that day. I was a Star Wars fan before, so there were definitely a few moments that made me think: ‘Wow.'”
Your scenes are very energetic – did you have to train extensively to get in shape for the part, or you were already lightsaber-ready?
“No, for this film we really just took it scene by scene, there wasn’t a huge regime. My part in the next film will be much more physical so I might be in the gym a bit more.”
This all sounds pretty cool. We all want Episode VIII to be what The Empire Strikes Back was for the fans back in 1980. So far we’ve heard very interesting comments for Rian Johnson’s movie. From a “weird one” (Lawrence Kasdan) to “much darker” (John Boyega).
Despite the talk about dark and weird, we have to keep in mind that TESB did great also because of the romantic story between Han and Leia. Make no mistake, there will be a romantic story in Episode VIII. The real question is, who will the main players be? What do you think? What kind of tone should the film aspire to?
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Rey will turn.
Darth Reyvan… 🙂
Actually if Rey’s vision hadn’t included herself as a 5 year old, I reckon the whole Revan storyline would have worked really well. Imagine Luke seeing her show up, wondering if she knows that she is actually the most powerful dark-side user of all time.
Sexually?
You can’t turn a spectrum.
Shame.
Finn will snog some dark side babe! 😉
Dark is the way to go, the darker the better. Think the romantic story will be provided by Finn and a new female character, Rey will be too focused on becoming a Jedi (like Luke in the OT).
Dark does not equal good. People just assume this since Nolan’s TDK, and Hollywood have kept on overusing it to the extreme. I’m sick of this hysteria.
It is when it’s done right.
I don’t know… I like the dark… ‘cuz real life is dark.
Honestly, I prefer the Arkham games to Nolan’s films…. I found them bloated and slow and at times boring. But that has nothing to do with being dark. And none of that has anything to do with SW
I love how people are blaming Nolan for “the darker the better”, when it was really Tim Burton that turned Batman into a dark gritty noir in theaters. Nolan just upped it.
Nolan is largely credited for modern blockbuster films being dark.
And yet Bruce Wayne won and ended living it up with Anne Hathaway’s Selyna Kyle in beautiful Italy. I’ll take that ending to a “dark” film trilogy any day of the week.
I never said the end of his trilogy was dark.
Neither did I. Notice I said an ending to a dark trilogy, not a dark ending per se. Nolan’s DK trilogy might’ve been dark, but the ending definitely wasn’t.
True.
While I agree that “darker is better” may be a misconception, it certainly beats the hell out of Abrams’ extremely naïve “bigger is better” (*cough* Starkiller *cough*) approach for TFA.
I didn’t think the film really was all the bigger overall.
Abrams said that Starkiller wasn’t just another Death Star, but a much bigger weapon, as if this actually made it a good idea. Hence why I say bigger is not better, just like darker is not necessarily better either.
Oh man, I hope they don’t have a scene in Episode 8 where someone goes “THIS is StarKiller Base… and (pan out to even larger Death Star-like object) THIS is Universe-Killer Base.
GIANT GROUND BATTLE! FINN VS PHASMA!
Lol, your comment reminded me of One Piece episode titles.
HA! I googled One Piece. I get it!
Any goofy action anime, really. Pokemon has the same style for a lot of their episode titles. =P
“We all want Episode VIII to be what The Empire Strikes Back was for fans back in 1980”.
Umm, no we don’t want another rehash – that’s for sure. They can get away with this once but not for a second or third time. Star Wars fans are really stupid. It’s YOUR fault that TFA turned out the way it is…. You guys don’t want originality, you just want everything to be like the OT. Fortunately, Rian Johnson will probably give us something original and completely different from ESB.
I think you’re taking that statement too literally… I think Viral just meant in terms of the impact the film had.
Aye, he needs to calm down.
No need for name-calling. Pretty sure that what Viral meant was that fans want Episode VIII to have the same “Holy SHIT!!” quality that ESB had. I don’t think anyone is hoping for a rehash of ESB.
Would you at least agree that Episode VIII should aspire to the level of quality that we all associate with ESB?
What we want is exciting, fun and engaging Star Wars movies with characters we actually like, which TFA delivered on completely, after a trilogy that failed to deliver any of those things. Who gives a crap is there is familiarity – if you’re enjoying yourself, it doesn’t matter. TFA had to bring us back to the classic SW feel after the saga had been driven off a cliff with the terrible prequels.
If you genuinely think SW movies are about feels and getting us all to say “if you’re enjoying yourself, it doesn’t matter”, than Disney has already won, and mindless dreck will ensue without a doubt. You are *the* definition of a Disney consumer which every real Star Wars fan should resist with all their might.
No true Scotsman Fallacy
the end.
it would be if I had made an argument!
“If you genuinely think SW movies are about feels and getting us all to say “if you’re enjoying yourself, it doesn’t matter”, than Disney has already won”
That was your first batshit crazy conspiracy theory.
Then, “You are *the* definition of a Disney consumer which every *real* Star Wars fan should resist with all their might.”
“Real” Star Wars fans suggests that there are people out there that identify as Star wars fans, but aren’t, simply because they don’t define star Wars movies the same way you do.
Did George set out to make brilliant films that were for high intellectuals with the first SW? I don’t think so.
Uh… Am I NOT supposed to enjoy myself when going to the movies?
Well, the prequels accomplished that perfectly…. Don’t talk to me about “mindless dreck” after three of those abominations.
Who the hell told you that you’re the official voice of SW fandom? You have NO idea of what I want and I’m as much of a fan of the SW films as anyone here. Why, I could even say that I’m more of a fan than you since I certainly would never call the prequels “terrible” and they’re as much a part of SW as the OT, ST or anthology films.
Thanks, Darth Vedder. The prequels are qualitatively different than the originals for several reasons; their mode of narrating is different, as is the type of questions they ask and the way they mirror the narrative development of the OT. What’s ironic is the number of dumb Star Wars fans complaining about how TFA was derivative, but when we got a non-derivative series (the prequels), howling and complaining ensued.
Moreover, I’m patently sick and tired of prequel hatred. I’m tired of these Gen-Xer fanboys who come in here asserting that the prequels just aren’t Star Wars, or “ruined everything”, or insert whatever fatuous comment you like. There are legion of us who saw the Phantom Menace as an excited 10 year old, and for us the prequels *are* Star Wars. While I would be the first to tell you that the films do not have the dialogical quality of the first two films (ANH and Empire), they have much to offer. Personally, Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan Kenobi is one of my favorite movie characters of all time, and I know I’m not alone in saying that.
You gotta feel some pity for JJ Abrams who cowers in fear from the mass hatred of 40 year old reddit lurkers. The whole Disney marketing scheme is complicit in this too – “Make sure you don’t mention the prequel era, or else you’ll incur the wrath of all those greasy-haired fans on Twitter!”
I’m part of the “OT generation” but I knew Lucas had another hit with the PT in his hands because my niece (19 now) and my nephew (17) grew up with the PT and they love it as much as their uncle loves the OT.
The films could’ve used better dialogue, acting and pacing, admittedly, and Lucas struggled to transfer his vision to the screen the way he intended, IMO. But at least he had the balls to stay true to his vision and to try something original instead of rehashing the OT.
I’m glad you mentioned this fear of coming anywhere close to the PT era. By doing so, Disney, Lucasfilm and Abrams have all but rendered the main point in the whole damn SW saga moot: the balance of the Force. And when you think about it, you also see how this astounding PT-phobia has made the OT completely useless now.
But the funny thing is that if you mention anything about this, that makes you a hater, because if your a SW fan you’re supposed to love anything SW and accept it without question…except for the PT, of course.
Agreed with all points.
I agree. I loved the PT. I too had some issues, although Jar Jar wasn’t one one of them. I loved when he got shocked and couldn’t talk. Maybe less of jar jar though. I also didn’t care for the droid arm looking so dumb.
But the over all premise and Jedi, Sith, I loved it. I liked Hayden. I very much wish they’d use the good ideas from PT,
Keep from making it too kiddish, but the Jedi were powerful and mighty. Buy the end of this trilogy, I need hope that they will be again.
That needs to be Luke’s legacy.
I agree 100%. Jar Jar’s exactly what he was meant to be: stupid, cheesy, childish comic relief, but a little less of him would’ve been great, yep. Still, he certainly doesn’t have anything to do with the main plot line: Sith vs. Jedi and the struggle for power and balance of the Force.
When you look at the PT this way, you can forget all about a silly, secondary, minor character with ease, IMO.
And we did get a lot less of him after the first episode.
True. I can barely remember Binks in Ep. III other than Palpatine’s arrival at the Senate Chamber and Padmé’s funeral.
Worst thing about the PT, IMO was the Padmé-Anakin romance. And unlike Binks, this does play a huge role in the entire SW saga.
I honestly dislike the battle droids persona and design far more than jar jar’s character. He’s alright, but his voice is terrible at times.
Who the hell told the original poster that SW fans thought TFA was a “rehash.”
I wasn’t speaking about you, dear. I was speaking in response to the original poster.
The prequels were garbage, plain and simple. They are indefensible. There is no argument that can make them appear to be anything but the inept fiascos that they are.
And don’t give me that “more of a fan” crap. Fandom is not defined as loving everything with a Star Wars logo on it, even if it’s total garbage.
Do you love the Holiday Special, too?
2 wrongs don’t make a right, genius. This still doesn’t give you the right to speak for all of us SW fans.
I never said I loved the PT. I only said that I do not consider them terrible. You can say w/e you like about this or that part of the SW saga. But you do NOT get to speak for us all.
Never watched the Holiday Special. But if I had, w/e I thought of it would be my problem. And you still wouldn’t get to speak for me.
1. you don;t speak for me
2. Why can’t we have both, a great and unique story and engaging characters? I don’t subscribe to the idea that it has to be one or the other.
I never claimed to speak for you. I speak fro the mindset that thought the prequels were garbage and was relieved to see the series return to what the series was all about. The story was not a rehash, despite you parroting that line from every other critic of the movie. There’s a difference between familiarity and rehash, and if you want to equate the two, then The Phantom Menace is just as guilty. When you trash a franchise to the extent that the prequels did, a restoration is needed -which Episode 7 did perfectly – and it worked. Now we can move forward with Episode 8 being more innovative.
Yep, people like you deserve the trash they get.
Unfortunately, the rest of us do not. Thanks for ruining cinema’s greatest movie series.
Star Wars ruined by fans demanding to be “entertained” (remember that line from Gladiator?). Batman ruined by the studio trying to attract avengers fans.
At least we still have Mad Max.
The prequels were trash. If you want to attempt to defend those abominations, be my guest. Those movies have been destroyed six ways to Sunday. The Force Awakens saved Star Wars from those train wrecks.
The prequels were terrible movies. Not much to defend there (except that the basic story wasn’t bad). What I am saying, however, is that Timothy Zahn’s sequel novels are far superior to The Force Awakens.
I agree with everything you said except the prequels, I still liked them. I am not gonna be the cool one and say they suck just to be part of the “in” crowd.
It’s not about trying to be cool, it’s simply recognizing that the prequels, while excelling at certain aspects, failed miserably in other critical areas that make for quality, enjoyable and engaging films.
But they didn’t fail to me. I still find it a matter of opinion, whether majority opinion or not.
I think those clowns at Disney really want to replicate the original trilogy template
Kill the droids………all of them.
Darker? it’s true that we’re going into darkness…
Considering I think this newly energised Star Wars is possibly going to be my favourite Star Wars closely after Empire… I cannot bloody wait for the next one. I trust Rian will make it edgier and really get into the nitty gritty of what makes Star Wars tick, just the way Empire did. But I also expect surprises from him too. Really looking forward to it. I love the OT and I know we all think of them as untouchable, but frankly after TFA and how amazing these new characters are I am open to seeing the OT being replaced for me as my favourite Star Wars trilogy. Some will call BS.. but truly, I loved TFA, love it more every time I see it. It’s everything Star Wars was, but energised for more modern times. I await the epicness of Episode 8.
I totally agree.
To me, in the next movie we will see:
– Rey training as a Jedi in the planet of Ahch-To;
– Luke and Rey following Knights of Ren’s tracks, back to Luke’s burnt academy and to the Darth Vader’s tomb (this would be great!);
– Finn and Poe working for the Resistance in search of allies;
– Phasma chasing Finn like Boba Fett chased Han;
– General Hux betraying Supreme Leader Snoke and starting a civil war inside the First Order;
– Luke and Kylo, and Rey and Kylo fighting;
– Luke’s death
All good exept Luke dying. I want him to live as long as possible. I think Leia will die in the next one.
mmmm I don’t know… if Kylo will not turn to the light side (I don’t think so), it will be very significant, for the screenplay, to show a confrontation between mother and son. If Leia didn’t die in TFA, she will survive until Ep.9.
I love Luke much more than Han or the others old characters. But, to me, as a Jedi mentor, it is pretty foregone he won’t survive this trilogy….
I would have preferred to see Leia face Kylo, as a jedi, and just refuse to light up her sabre and protect herself. But, what’s done is done. I do think Kylo will return to the light in the end.
Luke is by far my favourite of the original trio, and even though I think you are probably right, I’d still like to see him survive the trilogy.
Think Luke will make it to Episode IX before meeting his fate. We’ll see him as a force ghost around the ending.
Interesting thoughts. Do you think Luke and Rey would fly the Falcon, or would they get their own X-Wings?
Do you expect Luke and Leia to meet up?
Do you expect Luke and Leia to kiss? (ok that one was a joke!)
I don’t know if Hux has the balls or the ability to overthrow Snoke – unless he talks Kylo into taking his side.
Luke’s death – I really hope not. If anything, I hope they kill off Leia first.
It would be funny to see Luke, Chewie and R2 together again in the Falcon. But… how has Luke reached that planet? What if we’ll see, in the other side of the island, the same ship that Rey saw in her vision? eheheh
However, a thing I missed is: the quest for other Jedi Academy survivors. Is pretty sure that Rey is one of these, but the others?
Vader’s tomb would be very impressive. I call it: if the entire Luke’s academy was built near to that tomb? maybe in the same structure? This would explain how Kylo get the helmet.
To be honest, im not very happy. Ever since Dark Knight everybody forces this darker=better crap. A little darkish tone like TFA’s can go. But audiences will leave the theatre dissapointed imo if its too dark, even if its a great movie.
Star Wars is not a drama, its adventure. It needs a good story, not a dark one.
Well anyways, I will be at the premiere even if the whole movie is about Chevie repairing the Flacon for 2 hours.
So in Empire most people’s favourite character got essentially frozen indefinitely, Luke found out the big bad guy is his dad, and then got his hand chopped off. Oh and he had a vision in a cave in which he chopped off imaginary Vader’s head.
No drama there, lol!
Nowadays this may sound weird, but back then a lot of people left the cinema dissapointed after ESB. Some because of the cliffhanger, but a lot claimed that it was too dark. ESB gained most of its popularity later.
However ESB’s tone would perfectly fit I’d have no problem with that. Im only concerned if it turns out to be an overdramatised suffering-movie. Star Wars needs to have the feeling of a great adventure imo. But not blatant, and childish like the preuqels ofc.
I was 10 when I watched TESB and I fucking loved it to death right off the bat. But this isn’t the 80s anymore. These days people want grayer stories, along with strong female leads as opposed to your typical boy on a quest to destroy evil.
This is obviously something that SW has already done with Rey as the new protagonist. Even Harry Potter, widely considered as a story for children (even more so than SW), had a darker tone to it in the series’ second half. Adapt or die applies to everything in life.
We shall see, we shall see…
Oh, but we’ve already seen it, young apprentice…
Katniss Everdeen, Daenerys Targaryen & Arya Stark, hell, even the girls from Twilight and Divergent…and now Rey: strong, female leads. Again, the 2nd half of Potter, Games involving hunger or thrones…and soon, SW EP. 8: darker, grayer stories.
I didnt say a word about the female hero idea. I loved every second of Rey on the big screen, and Im glad that she is the new hero. I was talking about the overdramatising of Star Wars and the possible outcome of a too dark episode.
The same principle applies to a darker film filled with tones of grey, because many people were leery (to say the least) to have a girl as the new lead character in SW.
I also feel that Rey was a success and Daisy Ridley was brilliant, IMO. Who’s to say that a darker Ep. VIII and Rian Johnson can’t pull it off as well?
Oddly enough, all those character arcs are based on the very same Hero’s Journey that made SW famous in the first place.
Full circle.
It is. But the stories are much grayer now than before, which also makes them darker by addition.
ROTS wasn’t childish at all. Hell, it’s PG-13 just like TFA!
It still had some terrible CGI slapstick in the beginning though.
Yeah, ESB is good because Rotj has a happy ending.
Sounds great! I’m just happy I’m still excited. That TFA didn’t disappoint me. That I can look forward to the next movie. I’m weirdly excited to see Rian’s take!
Rey/lo. Book it. Done.
are you shipping her and kylo or saying she becomes the new kylo?
Star Wars Episode VIII: The FIRST ORDER Strikes Back.
Yawn!
Exactly. In the few weeks since I’ve seen TFA, it’s really settled in just how unoriginal the movie was. A galaxy of possibilities and they just rehashed ANH. I hope VIII will be different but not going to hold my breath.
I think now they played it safe and succeeded, they are gonna take a huge risk.
Yup.
Yep, especially with Rian directing. “Dark and weird”.
I tend to agree. I was really disappointed on my first viewing. Yes it’s a fun film, and it’s great, but they played it incredibly safe. Having said that, I can understand that there was so much riding on this film. I can forgive them for playing it safe in Episode VII, and I do enjoy the film, it is fun, even if I don’t rate it as high as the other films. But Episode 8 is the time to take some risks, and hopefully Rian Johnson will hit it out of the park.
darker??? really bad idea……. crazy world.. people just enjoy suffering. I probably will most enjoy the end of epi9
I hope Finn gets to look heroic saving people from time to time and be more competent in battle. I also hope Rey is allowed moments where she needs saving and cannot fix her mistakes by herself.
didn’t finn rescue poe at the beginning and rey at the end?
Poe needed Finn’s help, but I don’t really count that as heroic because Finn only did it because he needed a pilot. Finn helped Rey at the end but he didn’t get to save her because he lost the fight. Had she not stepped in and defeated Kylo Ren, they both would’ve been in trouble.
well finn saving poe is still more “heroic” then han saving leia in ANH just for the reward. as to the second, can’t we agree they saved each other? rey doesn’t escape starkiller if finn doesn’t insist on going on the mission and looking for her. plus he stepped in against kylo despite being completely over matched when she got temporarily knocked out.
“well finn saving poe is still more “heroic” then han saving leia in ANH just for the reward.”
Agreed. Plus. I focus more on Luke being the one who saved her there, since it was his idea. 😛
“as to the second, can’t we agree they saved each other?”
I’ll agree that Finn was needed to keep Kylo Ren busy until Rey came to, but I won’t count it the same as a traditional rescue because Finn never got to complete the save on his own.
Time and time again, TFA doesn’t want Rey to be saved in a traditional manner – even once. By the time Finn got to Rey, she can already begun making her escape. It’s not impossible to imagine her figuring out a way off Starkiller Base, especially given her record. 😉
Finn gets to help Rey in various ways, but he isn’t allowed to save her.
i see what you’re saying, but that kind of “traditional” rescue stuff seems more the exception then rule these days, not just with this film. for me i just saw it as rey and finn as a team where one couldn’t succeed without the help of the other. to wit: they wouldn’t have gotten off jakuu without the other, then finn leaves and thats when rey is captured, then he comes back and thats when she is able to escape starkiller.
“i see what you’re saying, but that kind of “traditional” rescue stuff seems more the exception then the rule these days, not just with this film. ”
Hmm. Yeah, I’ve been hearing that from some people.
It’s true that Rey needed Finn to get from Jakku to Luke. I just wish they weren’t so imbalanced in getting to save each other.
well we still have two more movies, so who knows. maybe rey starts slipping to the darkside and its finn that has to bring her back. i mean i doubt very much she’ll be “perfect” and untouchable the whole way.
Maybe Boyega meant that VIII would be darker because Rey makes a mistake she can’t fix… 😉
We live in a feminist world. She can’t look too much like a damsel in distress. Not PC
or, and stay with me on this, rey has lived so long on her own and dealt with so many knobs, that she is disinclined to want or accept help from other people. you can see once she and finn developed a rapport and she saw he genuinely cared about her, that she was more then glad for his help. so in conclusion, its a character arc, not a political statement.
About ESB and how it was initially received by critics and fans back in 1980
Oh my. This argument is rather flawed.
The reason why Empire is now so well loved and respected was because it simply was way ahead of it’s time. This applies to many great movies that are now considered cult material.
My take on what I posted is the following:
Though the adults at the time may have been mixed on ESB when initially released, the youth of the time on the other hand were fascinated by ESB, so much so that it made a big impression on them that by the time they became adults and were more influential in society, they had changed people’s views on ESB to the point that it’s considered the “greatest Star Wars film” by many.
Yeah, exactly. It was ahead of its time. Those who didn’t appreciate it at the time (I did, I loved it), learned to love it later.
See also Blade Runner
Classic example.
YES!
This would be true, except for the fact that the comparison is flawed. While the two situations seem similar on the surface, the difference is that the prequels totally suck eggs.
Agreed. Although the light side only one in so much as they destroyed starkiller base and found luke, where as the dark side Killed Han solo to crush leia’s spirit, destroyed the ENTIRE new republic system and most/all heads of state along with their fleet, and decimated the planet of takodana where several resistance members gathered info; all this after the dark side destroyed luke’s jedi academy before the film. The light side did indeed “win” TFA, but it definitely wasn’t the same kind of decisive win that TPM, ANH, and RotJ were. It was a costly win.
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The first order broke their spirits and now it’s time to finish them ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! (Until they get their shit together and defeat the first order in IX)
Sounds good, I just hope they do something new. I did not mind some similarities in the Episode VII, but if they continue with them in Episode VIII then… Well then we have a problem!
I know what to expect from Ep VIII: An Empire Strikes Back remake.
Why would you expect that ?
Thank you for passing judgement on a film that you haven’t even seen yet.
How fair of you.
And you’ll still be first in line.
Yep. First in line to torrent.
Ah, so you’re just a common thief then. Makes sense.
Oh FFS.
“Darker”? Well who would have expected that?
i hope “darker” doesn’t mean less funny. i get its the second act, but you don’t want to lose what made part one so great.
“it has to have a love story, but not romance. there has to be humor, but there can’t be gags”-Irvin Kershner, director of TESB.
a little food for thought.
Brilliant. But does Rian know this?
The novelization depicted Rey as pulled towards Finn (as a friend, but emotionally) and Finn rather attracted to Rey (sexually/romantically). When Rey meets Poe, she is struck by how handsome and dashing he is…
I predict another bizarre love triangle. Minus the sister bit.
No no no, It’ll be Finn likes Rey who likes Poe who likes Finn. It was all there in TFA.
Hahahaha, I think you might actually be right! But then it will all just flip and reverse because Finn falls for the new female lead. Rey will get jelly, and Poe will be bi.
Don’t forget Akbar.
lolno
I have a bad feeling B that Finn and Rey are Half brother and sister
Poe is 32. Too old for Rey, who is 19. Finn on the other hand is barely 23.
32 is too old for a 19 year old? Better tell that to Han and Leia, who were respectively those same ages in the OT (ANH, specifically)
Haha. A more physical role? Still kicking the side? Please man. They botched it up with your character, my good friend
No they didn’t
They did. He was the comedic sidekick…almost minstrel like.
Terribly written character
Literally everyone else disagrees with you. You may now stop trolling and be quiet. We don’t need you spewing hate with nothing substantive to say.
Have you ever heard of the phrase “you shouldnt sleep where you crap”? … apparently you do and you seem to really REALLY enjoy it
The nitpicking before the movie comes out again. I can just see it now when EP8 comes out.” It was like, totally beat for like beat with TESB. That one scene where a guy wears a headphones was a rip-off totally of Lobot and that part where there is a Captain Phasma just standing there with her rifle is such a stolen moment from Boba Fett who was the greateST EVA!. And Finn learned to fly the MF is just fan service to Lando who should’ve been in this movie. Waaaa waaaa waaa”
Totally agreed
Aye, can we please set up some kind of filtering service so I don’t need to read their idiotic comments, or alternatively set up an alternate site, StarWarsSaltNet.com instead where they can whine away in their own exho chamber. Imbeciles.
please not another remake!!!!
I was already on board cause obviously a fan but “dark and weird” has me even more on board… or something like that.
I feel that it will be very similar to TESB unfortunately, everything is leading to it being that way, good guys on the defensive, a jedi being trained, etc.
I really wish they would have been original with all this and not soft remake EP4/7 and hopefully not EP5/8 next.
I think Rian will try hard to differentiate Episode VIII from Empire.
We know very little so stop all the nonsense concern already. For all we know Luke is an entirely broken man and refuses to train Rey. Who knows what will happen. It’s a story about young Jedi learning how to use their power, what do you want anyway? Prequel Trilogy was about this. Original trilogy was about this, I’m not sure what you expect is going to change.
I’m wondering if Kylo will experience Luke’s path from the TESB. Perhaps he leaves his training with Snoke halfway through, to go off on a mission (although I don’t think he really has any friends to go after). Also, I don’t think Snoke would give him a choice.
Yoda: If you leave now, help them you could, but, you would destroy all for which they have fought and suffered.
Snoke: If you leave now, I’ll kill you.
Interesting thinking of the aftermath of Jedi and obviously what happened up to TFA and thinking of that dialogue from Yoda. I wonder if those words extend beyond the OT and onto the future. I mean Luke had maybe a day or two of training with Yoda, next time he visits Yoda dies pretty quickly. He never really had proper training as much as Yoda says his training is complete. And maybe that led to the downfall of his academy. Which destroyed all that Leia and Han fought and suffered for, ie their family.
This story ain’t finished.
That’s a really good idea about Yoda, I never thought of that. While I think it is implied that he had more than a day or two of training, it obviously wasn’t enough. But that could well be why his academy failed. And perhaps he will say this to Rey, to stop her from repeating the mistakes of the previous generation.
Just waiting for a ground assault and walkers…..
Romance? You know Lando is going to come in and mop up those pieces of Leia that Han left behind.
Probably not the right spot but anyhoo here’s my take on TFA: A good Star Wars movie has always been one which I can watch over and over and am always completely absorbed. There are certainly many movies out there which I consider to be greater in an intellectual sense ie. deep, thought-provoking on many levels; however, the fact is that whenever one of the OT movies comes on TV and I happen to notice it while channel flipping, I just cannot stop watching it. This is a very rare thing for a movie; to be able to absorb you even after having seen it many, many times and I think it denotes greatness (maybe a different kind of greatness but greatness nonetheless). I have only seen TFA once but I left the theatre wanting to see it again, and I know it will be one of those movies that always manages to absorb me. As many have mentioned, I also thought that the overall plot was derivative (especially didn’t like the need for a superweapon), but guess what? I will trade that off a thousand times for the charming characters, FANTASTIC acting, and great, humorous screenplay that we got from TFA. I thought all of the new leads were superb but especially Ridley, Driver and Boyega. The Kylo Ren scenes where his look is so intense that it seems like he his almost about to cry are awesome. Ridley was just charming and likeable throughout. I must say the only one who didn’t really convince me 100% was Isaac, but anyway 3 out of 4 ain’t bad. Also, Harrison Ford really impressed me – I didn’t expect that much of him but he really carried the movie. It’s nice to see him in a role where he is old but not at all grumpy, managing to evoke a great sense of humour with a sparkle in his eye throughout.
The icing on the cake was that I watched the movie with my 7-year-old daughter and she absolutely loved it and couldn’t stop talking about Rey afterward and that was a really nice feeling for me.
Anyway, to sum up: movie was not perfect, but I am totally satisfied with it and am looking forward to watching it many times again and am really looking forward to VIII…
“This is a very rare thing for a movie; to be able to absorb you even after having seen it many, many times and I think it denotes greatness”
Absolutely agree.
With TFA I feel this way. I really enjoyed it like a child and outside the cinema i felt like a child.
The experience of watching it, was like watching a movie in the 80’s. The Goonies, Back to the future, Star Wars, Indiana Jones… The rhythm, the adventure, the charisma, the visuals… You just can’t stop watching it.
That’s just how I felt – it was probably the first time I’ve felt that kind of movie magic since I was about 13.
Agree 100%. Seen it three times now and probably a fourth on my next day off. It just grabs you from beginning to end. Any small niglles you might have with it will disappear with more viewings too. It moves at a brisk pace, but not too fast, so it never drags in any one place. I LOVE the characters and the performances from the actors portraying them. Really excited for the future of this Trilogy now. The plot retreads are a minor niggle for me vs the heart and soul I get from this film in practically every scene.
There is one dark element already hinted at in TFA, the “sibling” rivalry between Hux and Kylo. Hux is truly ruthless and does not hesitate to eliminate threats, kylo has already demonstrated he has to work hard to be evil. im expecting Hux to betray Kylo in some way, and thus Kylo’s retaliation is what pushes him over the dark side edge. This element alone would keep EP VIII from being a rehash of ESB because we already have several established villains. whereas in ESB we were just starting to learn who the villains were
Finn was introduced as a “funny” character in Episode VII. Given the positive response, I don’t think they would like to change him in any dramatic way. In other words, Finn may get more physical in Episode VIII, but I don’t see him as the “dark” element in the story.
TFA was pretty dark imo. Star Wars should also be silly and fun.
it also was silly and fun…..
Even darker!!! Bloody hand print on a helmet, limbs torn off by CGI squid monsters, exploding tie fighter swallowed by sand to shock and surprise, more vivid torture results than before, all for a young audience and they want to go darker!!!!
Yep.
We want VIII to be the TESB of this trilogy, but not a TESB remake. If Abrams and Kasdan “went backward to go forward” I hope Johnson goes full throttle ahead. I have a good feeling that he will. The stage is all set for great things. I really hope it turns out both weird and dark!
If Rian Johnson’s current body of work is an indication, he will definitely take the saga in a new direction. This will not be a TESB remake.
Darker? TFA was dark enough. I didn’t even take my kids because of that. The violence was more brutal than necessary. Star Wars is supposed to be fun. Fun and magical and creative. Not dark. There is zero reason Star Wars needs to be be darker than empire or the end of Jedi. These are supposed to be fun for the whole family. Not heavy films for grown up fans.
If you thought TFA was too dark for kids then get ready to never take your kids to another film. I don’t you know you, but i do know kids (having been one). They can handle anything in TFA. Even kids’ films are slowly getting darker. you will have to accept it sometime.