UPDATE! Rumor: Details on the New Planet Jakku from The Force Awakens

JakkuWith the reveal of the desert home of Rey being the planet Jakku, and not Tatooine like many thought, questions have begun flying over the history of this new planet. Hit the jump to see our report on rumors concerning the history of Jakku and some elements of the backstory for two characters in The Force Awakens.

 

 

Well in the period between the announcement of Jakku and DICE’s reveal of the Battle of Jakku DLC someone posted on reddit about what they were told was the backstory of Jakku. The post can be found HERE but I will post some of the highlights below.

 

 

WARNING: POTENTIAL SPOILERS BELOW

 

 

Jakku

 

1. Jakku was deserted until a massive battle caused the Star Destroyer we saw in the teaser to crash.

2. Max von Sydow was the commander of the Star Destroyer and his crew were the first settlers on the planet.

3. Sydow is angry at the Empire/First Order for abandoning him and his men in the aftermath of the Battle of Endor.

4. Sydow provides help to Rey and Finn before they leave the planet.

5. Because of the scavenging potential Jakku has become a hive of scum and villainy like Mos Eisley.

 

 

Kylo Ren

 

The reddit user also posted some information on Kylo Ren’s backstory, referring to him as the equivalent of the “false idols” that plagued the Early Medieval European church. Kylo Ren is claiming to be Darth Vader and through his use of the Force more and more members of the First Order are starting to believe him. In the film Kylo makes a power grab to take control of the First Order and his brutal tactics are part of what leads Finn to desert.

 

 

Darth Vader

 

It’s also worth noting that the Battle of Jakku will be early DLC for the upcoming Star Wars Battlefront game. In the trailer for Star Wars Battlefront there was a much debated scene.

 

 

Biba Fett

 

Not only do we have Boba Fett, one of the Star Wars community’s most beloved characters, alive (Jonathan Rinzler already confirmed in the past that Fett lives). But we also have the question of exactly what planet this is on. On one end we have a sandcrawler, a vehicle deeply associated with Tatooine. But on the right side we have an identical copy of the crashed Star Destroyer of Jakku. This poses the question of whether or not this scene is meant to be on Jakku or Tatooine. We also know that Jakku had to have a land battle since there are no space battles on the launch version of Star Wars Battlefront. Regardless of one’s theories on the matter, there is a lot that has been given to us to speculate on.

 

EDIT: DICE already confirmed that the planet from the trailer footage is Tatooine.

 

 

If these rumors are true, they provide a lot of interesting backstory to a couple of our more mysterious characters in The Force Awakens. And they sound really plausible matching with other rumors we’ve heard about the movie before.

 

 

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Furthermore, it’s worth mentioning that our own Cantina member Yoda 2 revealed the name of the dessert planet months before Celebration. He also revealed some other bits that could be of interest, since his credibility was confirmed. Here’s what he posted at our message boards The Cantina on March 9, 2015:

 

Jakah (spelling?) is the name of the desert planet not Tatooine. (CONFIRMED)

 

C3PO has both gold legs but a dark gun metal colored arm now.

 

Poe has big face scar. (CONFIRMED)

 

Kylo Ren’s mask is a relic. There might be multiple masks he wears.

 

Kylo Ren character poster has new Empire icon that looks more like an astrix *. (CONFIRMED)

 

Kylo poster has tons of stormtroops behind him. (CONFIRMED)

 

Already known but Christie is the Chrome Trooper.

 

R2 looks pretty much the same just more beat up.

 

Chewie looks same just little older with some grey hair. (CONFIRMED)

 

Rey looked the same as her teaser trailer costume with no hat. (CONFIRMED)

 

Rey’s hair was pulled back only saw from the front. (CONFIRMED)

 

Finn was wearing leather jacket and pants like one of Luke’s. (CONFIRMED)

 

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And here are some bits that Yoda 2 saw about Rey’s home (the AT-AT wreckage) on Jakku, but this time from the inside:

 

All I can say is I saw what I saw and it was the only thing I saw. It was a set photo from Pinewood. It was the inside of an AT-AT with tons of stuff in it like someones living in it, dirt floor like its buried partially into the ground and a hammock that kind of resembled Chewie’s bandoleer. 

Also it was a fully finished set and it was lit as if light was coming from outside. So the photo was taken most likely during the filming of it.

 

 

You can share your thoughts on these matters in the comments below or in The Cantina.

 

 

 

UPDATE!

 

 

EricHizzo, the person who posted this on reddit, joined our boards and shared where he got this info from. Here’s what he said:

The info comes from an author who will be writing a new novel that has yet to be announced. The plot is about the aftermath of the Battle of Jakku, more specifically the first settlers. Again, the first settlers are the surviving crew of a crashed Star Destroyer and MvS was the commanding officer of the Star Destroyer. The crew are stranded. The ‘first responders’ aren’t interested in rescuing anyone. They are there to loot. The novel is a story about MvS’ crew surviving against the elements and hostile pirates that show up shortly after the battle.

 

Kylo

 

Also while Eric was pretty confident about the Max von Sydow’s part of the story, he expressed his doubts about the accuracy of the Kylo Ren part. Still, here’s what he said:

 

If this guy was hired to write a story about Jakku, not sure how he knows about the Kylo Ren stuff. Writer’s are a gossipy bunch so maybe he knows someone who was hired to write a Ren novel.

 

Assuming the Ren stuff is true, I have some clarification for you guys. Ren is literally claiming to be Darth Vader, in the flesh. He is saying I am Darth Vader, I survived the Death Star explosion (the audience knows this is not true). Ren is a very mysterious character. He has almost no back story. The first scene of the movie is Finn finding out he has been promoted to Ren’s elite unit of storm troopers. They immediately leave on a mission. I don’t know any details about the mission but this mission is the scene from the second trailer – night time with Ren in action. Apparently Finn sees Ren in action (brutal, violent, no empathy), is like F this, and deserts. That is the beginning of the movie.

 

This last part actually fits pretty good with a report made by MSW back in November, about a possible line from the movie. According to the report, Daisy Ridley’s character is being captured and brought to Kylo Ren, when she says: “You’ll never be as powerful as Darth Vader!”

 

 

You can read EricHizzo’s whole post (including some speculations on his behalf) in The Cantina HERE.

 

 

As always treat this as a RUMOR and take it with the usual amount of salt. 🙂

 

 

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270 thoughts on “UPDATE! Rumor: Details on the New Planet Jakku from The Force Awakens

  • April 20, 2015 at 7:37 pm
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    I’m having a hard time reconciling what we know of Kylo Ren with the notion that he is Rey’s brother.

    • April 20, 2015 at 7:54 pm
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      Totally agree. Rey is not a Skywalker…but I think Ren may be.

      • April 20, 2015 at 8:00 pm
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        Why would Daisy’s father say her character is “half-royalty, half-action hero” unless she told him she was Leia’s daughter? I think they are both Solos, but not because of the EU. I never really liked the post Jedi EU, but I like the idea of siblings on either side of the Force. Also, Daisy looks like Fisher and Adam looks like Ford.

        • April 20, 2015 at 8:19 pm
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          I’m still under the impression that Adam Driver is NOT kylo ren, but Domnhal Gleeson is.. i dunno, it’s just a hunch.

          • April 21, 2015 at 7:13 pm
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            Yeah,I thought this.Also wondered if Adam and Dom are both playing Sithy bad guys,and that the hooded cyborg face guy holding Vaders helmet in the leaked concept art is a totally different fella to masked Kylo?

          • April 21, 2015 at 7:34 pm
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            Gleeson does not only totally not look related at all other than being a white guy l, but he’s not a main character.

            There’s no way he’s a Skywalker. Totally pointless as it would be. Let this rumor die as it should.

          • April 22, 2015 at 2:15 am
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            “but he’s not a main character.”
            Unless they are keeping him diminished in the press so the surprise is bigger?
            And he actually does look like he could be Hamill’s son to me. But he also looks a lot like Tarkin…

        • April 20, 2015 at 8:41 pm
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          “Remember Daisey, you signed a serious non-disclosure, but feel free to chat up your dad about it!”

          • April 20, 2015 at 10:33 pm
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            Doesn’t change the fact that he said it. Also, Serkis said he told his wife what he knows. You really think they keep everything from their family?

          • April 21, 2015 at 5:18 am
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            i’m not sure whether Kylo Ren is a Solo or not… but I am pretty sure the guy is nuts.

            Anyone who dresses up like Darkwing Duck in public can’t be mentally stable.

          • April 22, 2015 at 11:37 pm
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            It was funny the first time.

      • April 21, 2015 at 12:16 pm
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        Jut think about Tatooine is A PLANET! (About the same size and gravity than Earth.) What we saw and know about it just a little part of a PLANET. Jakku can be the name of Tatooine’s bigest and dryest desert, and also the name of the planet in the langueage of jawa’s. Where are NO Moisture Farms at all… absolutely uninhabited…. only the survivors of crashed ships live here, afther the BATTLE OF JAKKU… and their descendants….

        • April 22, 2015 at 11:09 pm
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          Except Abrams specifically said the planet is “called Jakku, it’s not Tatooine as some have speculated.” Seems pretty conclusive to me.

      • April 22, 2015 at 3:30 am
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        This rumor listed here goes agains the MakingStarWars account. By their account, Max Von Sydow is some sort of Vycar who dies in the first scene. If MSW is wrong about this then there’s a good chance they’re wrong about Luke not being in the movie. Luke not being in the movie seems like a ridiculous rumor all around.

    • April 21, 2015 at 7:14 am
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      Convenient that this reddit poster released all of this information right after Celebration and the trailer… I could make the same logical guesses myself.

    • April 22, 2015 at 10:04 am
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      Here’s some food for thought. Take a look at the picture on IMDB, showing the cast for the movie. Coincidence that Adam Driver(Kylo Ren) is sitting by Mark Hamill(Luke skywalker)? Then you see Daisy Ridley(Rey) sitting in between Harrison Ford (Han Solo) and Carrie Fisher (Leia). My opinion is that the seating arrangements is not random, but intentional.

    • April 22, 2015 at 12:28 pm
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      Three there are…no more, no less.
      Daisey, Driver, Gleason, all grandchildren of Anakin Skywalker.

      And is Tom Cruise in Rogue One?
      Or was he just Paranoid about the title.
      I remember a certain dinner a few months ago.
      Not a Cruise fan but there is a Top Gun quality about Rogue One and the JJ Cruise connection as well.
      Just speculating

    • April 22, 2015 at 1:19 pm
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      adam driver is reys brother, domhall gleeson is kylo, a skywalker, vader was his grandaddy, adam driver is a solo and nothing to do with kylo. its all there if you just think about it.

  • April 20, 2015 at 7:45 pm
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    We have to let the EU kids go folks. Rey is not a Skywalker/Solo. She is basically a teen/early 20 who has been on this planet alone a long while as she seems to be an experienced scavenger. Having said that, I totally think Kylo Ren IS a Skywalker with delusions of his Grandfather…

    • April 20, 2015 at 7:57 pm
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      So you tell people they should stop thinking Rey is a Skywalker/Solo, yet you say Kylo is? Daisy’s father already let the cat out of the bag that she was playing “half-royalty, half-action hero.”

      • April 20, 2015 at 8:12 pm
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        If they are both Solo/Skywalkers, and also brother and sister, than what a major disappointment that no new ideas could be formed by the new team…

        • April 20, 2015 at 8:27 pm
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          So, is the force power of the Skywalkers just supposed to suddenly become irrelevant? This is a saga about a family that has an extremely powerful connection to the force, one that has in fact shaped the galaxy – is that just supposed to go away??? Just because many are “tired” of the EU, does not mean that the story would not go in that direction regardless.

          • April 20, 2015 at 8:30 pm
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            Dude, not at all what I am saying so relax. I just hope its not a brother and sister thing. I have no issue with their being another Skywalker. I just don’t think its Rey is all…my money is on Gleeson or Driver.

          • April 22, 2015 at 10:36 pm
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            Rey is Han and Leia’s kid and Adam Driver is lukes offspring. Kylo Ren seems obssesed with Darth Vader and it is luke, not Leia who has the strong connection with Vader so it makes total sense. He learned about Vader from his father. I have a feeling that at least half the reason Luke has vanished is because of his failure with his own son(Driver) who is now hunting him. And by the way hate to break it to all of you but this IS EU, it is not produced or written by Lucas which makes it expanded universe junk. Period.

          • April 22, 2015 at 11:41 pm
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            Um, Disney now owns the brand as of 2012. It’s not EU garbage it’s canon. They paid a lot of money for it. George has no more control over it. Get over it, and get used to it.

          • April 20, 2015 at 10:34 pm
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            No it doesn’t become irrelevant. Luke is still around and is needed to restore the Jedi. But in case you missed it, the story was about Anakin falling to the Dark Side and his son redeeming him. And that story is finished. Anything else is new. There is absolutely no need to make the films center around the same family. That was never the story focus in the first place.

          • April 20, 2015 at 11:29 pm
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            I hope they finally did let go off ridicolous family relations across the galaxy. Maybe Kylo is posessed somehow by an evil force spirit, who makes him go nuts. And maybe The Force Awakens is ment quite literal and someone returns from the dead, hm like Greedo.
            Episode VIII might be called Dawn Of The Jedi then.

          • April 21, 2015 at 12:19 am
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            You guys are all nuts. It’s obviously Kylo Ren Solo and Kira Rey Solo, they are twins as twins run in the Skywalker lineage. It’s also been confirmed thay Kylo sits in Falcon and is sad, and then kills his father Han Solo in an act of evil. Who cares about the EU stuff.

          • April 21, 2015 at 3:22 am
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            None of that’s been confirmed by anyone involved. It’s only been confirmed by “insiders” that get just as much wrong as they do right as would anyone with basic knowledge of Star Wars.

          • April 21, 2015 at 5:21 am
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            ^^^ yeah, but I bet you were one of the loudmouth people who was so certain the desert planet was Tatooine, only because you hate Jason Ward from making star wars.

            FACT: all the rumors I heard from these spoiler sites are dead accurate, because every single thing appeared in the trailers IN context.

          • April 21, 2015 at 8:25 am
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            You mean there are Star Wars characters with middle names? I’m not sure that follows “standard” naming convention 😉

          • April 21, 2015 at 7:20 pm
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            Obi Wan Kenobi?

          • April 21, 2015 at 9:39 pm
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            Just to clarify Obi-wan is his first name. It’s hyphenated.

          • April 21, 2015 at 9:48 pm
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            Obi-Wan – not Obi Wan. Still one name. Same Qui-Gon.

          • April 21, 2015 at 10:27 pm
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            FACT: twins skip generations.

          • April 22, 2015 at 1:25 am
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            how about the name off , star wars the force awakens empire next movie ,

          • April 22, 2015 at 10:41 pm
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            You are nuts dude. they are not twins!!!! Adam driver is like 10 years older than daisy ridley! These movies ARE EU, but they have already said flat out that they are NOT using the established EU junk. They have however borrowed kylo ren’s look from Darth Revan though. BRING BACK LUCAS AND GIVE US REAL STAR WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • April 23, 2015 at 8:18 am
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            Enough man. If you think this is not Star wars, why are you interested in what happens. if it’s not actually Star Wars, why did you read EU, Lucas didn’t write any if those stories. And do you think that Lucas did a stellar job with the prequels? I am relieved he’s not involved. Bless him. He gave us a great place to play. But I liken it to a great sports hero. I loved Terry Bradshaw and Franco Harris. I loved Ozzie Smith and Even Chris Carpenter, but at a point you become a liability to your team. Its time to let another QB call the signals. Sorry if you’re Euro but I think you get the point. Ala Beckham etc. Mostly I think people are excited for this new series, and you are in the minority. If none of this suits you stop irritating people here with your opinion

          • April 21, 2015 at 9:51 pm
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            Focus of the main saga is Story about Skywalker familly. Star Wars without Skywalker familly is not Star Wars saga.

        • April 20, 2015 at 10:39 pm
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          “no new ideas”
          Just because they are brother and sister doesn’t mean the story will be the exact same one as the EU. I doubt they are supposed to be twins and we have no idea what either one of them will do in the series. Rey could join Kylo and then Finn has to fight them both. It is hinted at that it is Finn who gets Anakin/Luke’s saber since he has it in that concept art they showed at the exhibit (along with other rumors).
          We also don’t know that it wasn’t one of George’s ideas that they kept.

          • April 21, 2015 at 1:46 am
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            Who was Luke talking to in the trailer then? Why would he bring up his family if this person wasn’t also part of the bloodline?

          • April 21, 2015 at 2:19 am
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            I’m talking more about the future of the franchise. I’m not saying Rey will turn in this film or be turned away, but I think Finn gets that particular saber, possibly making Rey jealous.
            Also, Hamill said that dialogue was recorded for the trailer (direct lift from ROTJ for the main voice with new voice-over for the echo), so he doesn’t actually say that to anyone in the film. It’s just there to imply a connection.

          • April 21, 2015 at 5:23 am
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            Uhhhhhhhh…..

            “You have that power too…”

            WHO. IS. HE. REFERRING. TO??????

          • April 21, 2015 at 6:33 pm
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            I. DON’T. KNOW. COULD. BE. REY. OR. KYLO…

            But as I said before, that dialogue isn’t in the actual movie and is in the trailer to “imply” a family connection to “someone.”

          • April 22, 2015 at 5:46 pm
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            Maybe us about fans

          • April 21, 2015 at 3:36 pm
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            Maybe Finn is Luke’s son. Seriously, it could work…

          • April 22, 2015 at 10:43 pm
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            Luke is talking to Leia in the trailer, its from ROTJ dude. Get with the program!

          • April 23, 2015 at 8:44 am
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            My Sister has it and you have that power too. I don’t think he’s talking to Leia. He was in the original speech but this implies he is talking to someone else in his family now. But mostly its a voice over to set the tone and hook us into the movie I doubt we hear this in the new film

          • April 21, 2015 at 4:04 pm
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            Who the hell wan’t the sammmmmee ooollld shhhhiiit! We need a new story. I t feel’s good to learn of fresh ideas and plot devices.

        • April 21, 2015 at 8:40 pm
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          Very true. I expected the team to stick roughly to the old canon with the solo twins, and what followed between them.
          Today’s hollywood lacks creativity.
          My speculation of the plot, is that, in the flashbacks we’re going to see, luke’s jedi academy is attacked and the young solo boy is taken away and raised by the empire, while is sister is sent into hiding.
          Years later, he’s all grown up and kicking ass, and his sister has to stop him. Old-EU Darth Caedus storyline, brother turns bad, sister must defeat him.

          • April 22, 2015 at 10:47 pm
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            Hollywood lacks creativity? How is chucking out used up lame ass terrible EU stuff creative? That is the lack of it!!!!! Go read those lame ass books some more dude.

      • April 20, 2015 at 8:25 pm
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        Abrams also swore up and down that Kahn wasn’t in his second Star Trek film…but if Mr Ridley said it, it must be true!

        • April 20, 2015 at 10:46 pm
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          1. Abrams said he regretted that decision and that it backfired on him. Also he hasn’t said a thing about whether she is a Solo, so I don’t get why you bring him up…
          2. We have no reason to doubt Daisy’s father. Doesn’t mean it is true, but it also doesn’t make sense that he would be that specific unless he was told by his daughter that she was Leia’s daughter.

        • April 21, 2015 at 2:02 am
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          He was right. Khan wasn’t in that movie. Just a very poor imitation.

          Khan is dead. Long live Khan.

          • April 21, 2015 at 5:24 am
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            Star Trek is dead too.

            And if my fears are correct, Star Wars’ tombstone will go up this coming December.

          • April 21, 2015 at 4:21 pm
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            If from what you’ve seen doesn’t excite you. I don’t think you are really a Star Wars fan. You really think this movie will tank? Only reason I can think someone would want it to tank, is someone who doesn’t want it succeed.

          • April 22, 2015 at 10:52 pm
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            This is what I predict. We will get a well written script and good acting but a very weak story. Remember, George Lucas’s strong point has always been the way he has constucted and executed his stories. People may hate the prequels but there is no denying that the stories were very good, meticulously crafted and well executed. These films are going to fall very short of that without him.

    • April 20, 2015 at 7:59 pm
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      I think the inclusion of Luke’s line from ROTJ in the trailer pretty heavily implies the presence of a next generation in the Skywalker bloodline, and I don’t think it’s too far of a leap to peg Rey as that presence. There’s about as much official evidence pointing towards her as there is towards Kylo being a Solo/Skywalker.

      Not to mention, in the cast photo, she seems to be in deep discussion with Carrie Fisher, and sitting between Fisher and Ford. Now, without the above context, it might be too much to read into that; but considering the official information that’s been released, and JJ’s propensity for leaving clues hidden in plain sight in press releases, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that her specifically sitting between those two people means something.

      • April 20, 2015 at 8:14 pm
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        I guess I am just hoping for some fresh ideas, instead of “brother and sister Skywalker Jedi”…

      • April 20, 2015 at 8:19 pm
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        Abrams also swore up and down that Kahn wasn’t in his second Star Trek film…but if Mr Ridley said it, it must be true!

        • April 21, 2015 at 10:32 pm
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          You said that above and it still sounds stupid.

      • April 22, 2015 at 10:55 pm
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        Nah, there has to be a male to carry on the Skywalker name. Rey is female. Kylo is Lukes son.

    • April 21, 2015 at 4:46 pm
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      totally agree that her being on that planet indicates that she may have nothing to do with the solo clan, however it has already been said that poe has been sent on a mission by royalty, and he then encounters rey and finn, my guess is that kylo ren is skywalker/solo with some sort of delusions, believing he is darth vader, and after falling out with her family or possibly through shame of her brother turning to the dark side, she flees to jakku,

      • April 22, 2015 at 5:49 pm
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        Poe is Hans love child

    • April 22, 2015 at 9:49 am
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      Yep. Kylo has to be Leia and Han’s son. His name appears to be derived from S[KY]walker and So[LO]!

      Thus, he is Anakin’s grandson. He feels the title of Darth Vader is his, which is why he claims to be Vader. He wants to fulfill what was to have been Anakin’s destiny: to be the “balance of the Force”. But Uncle Luke is Force-cock-blocking him.

      Furthermore, maybe the character known as “Kylo Ren” is known as a skilled Resistance pilot. So this could explain on-set reports of Adam Driver wearing an X-Wing pilot uniform. His sinister alter-ego is “Darth Vader”. So Kylo could be playing two roles in both sides of this war.

  • April 20, 2015 at 7:47 pm
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    This all sounds really awesome!!!! My mouth actually dropped when I read the description of Kylo Ren’s character. It’s such a cool idea and adds a whole layer of religious subtext to the Force and its “orders.”

    I really hope Kylo is a character that exists outside the Skywalker/Solo family. That clan has been through enough and I want to see how villains from other sectors can be legitimate threats.

    The idea of Darth Vader, however, being a mantle instead of an actual person is really awesome. Vader never embraced his Anakin persona publicly and as a result, he became this sort of boogeyman who just had a vague connection to the Jedi Order. This sounds great!

    • April 20, 2015 at 8:42 pm
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      Ben,

      Love this post man. No joke.

    • April 22, 2015 at 9:54 am
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      The reason why it seems likely that Kylo is a Skywalker is because his name appears to be formed from S[KY]walker and So[LO].

      Also, the first two trilogies focused on the Skywalkers — son and then the father. So thematically it would make sense that this new trilogy focuses on a next generation Skywalker (a grandchild).

      It would also explain why Kylo claims to be Vader. “Vader” is a title he feels belongs to him through birthright.

      It also establishes a falling out between him and Uncle Luke.

  • April 20, 2015 at 7:59 pm
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    Im “meh” on the whole Vader thing. I was ok with them referencing Vader in TFA but Kylo actually convinces people ‘he is Vader’? No, please NO. The naysayers are gonna be screaming from the rooftops “told you they were just raping the OT for ticket sales!”

    Surely they can make Kylo more interesting than that?

    • April 20, 2015 at 8:06 pm
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      It all depends on how they do it. I think its more about taking advantage of the Imperials who have little to no understanding of how the Force works.

      Vader was declared dead after Endor, sure, but we know that the idea of Force ghosts are real under certain circumstances.

      I think it’s more about Kylo embracing the general ignorance of non-Force users than just “raping the OT for ticket sales.” Besides haters are gonna hate.

    • April 20, 2015 at 8:24 pm
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      I agree with you, to a certain point.

      I also don’t see Ren able to convince many surviving Imperial Moffs or leaders that he’s Vader, but he may be able to talk them into thinking that he’s Vader’s apprentice and heir.

      IMO, it’d be best to see a new generation of Force-wielders come to the forefront, leading the audience to discover more secrets of the Force as they learn them themselves, similar to the way that the original Jedi and Sith came to be.

      I like to think that there will be no more Jedi (in the traditional sense, since Luke wasn’t fully trained like a Jedi from previous generations) and no more Sith, because the last 2 true Sith Lords are gone for good.

      The idea seems far more realistic to me than having Ren be the apprentice of some Sith long thought dead, who happened to be in hiding all this time, waiting for the perfect chance to take over the galaxy, as was the case with the Plagueis rumor.

  • April 20, 2015 at 8:07 pm
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    There are at least 2 star destroyers in Teaser #2; the one seen in the distance in the beginning, and the one the Falcon flies into, which appears to be an upside down Super Star Destroyer – were these both in the rumoured battle over Jakku? The battle must have been a monumental thrashing of the Empire, to lose 2 ships, including a SSD in one battle. Do the “rebels” have some huge weapon we don’t know about?

    • April 20, 2015 at 8:13 pm
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      I heard Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum put a virus in the death star before it blew up and all the Empires ships shut down and came raining out of the sky.

    • April 20, 2015 at 8:19 pm
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      If MVS was the SSD’s commander, he could be Admiral Piett. Remember? It was said, he appeared already in the movies.
      Maybe that’s also how Luke’s old lightsaber came there. After the duel on Bespin Vader could have kept it aboard the Executor.
      And then Rey finds it in the remains of the ship.

      • April 20, 2015 at 8:28 pm
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        Vader’s SSD was destroyed in the Death Star (it crashed into it). It was also over the forest moon of Endor…

    • April 21, 2015 at 9:49 pm
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      Well there is rumors of leia inventing some super weapon called “the hammer” that was designed to Anihilate star destroyers. Idk if this is true but it would make sense why we see one at least 2 crashed one jakku and possibly one on tatooine (battlefront trailer footage with fett). Perhaps if this is the case the weapon was first unleashed on jakku and that’s what really put the final nail in the “empire” and created the “first order”. Just some thoughts.

  • April 20, 2015 at 8:14 pm
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    “Chewie looks the same just a little older with some grey hair” ……..NOT!

    • April 20, 2015 at 8:33 pm
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      He has a little bit of greying hair on his arm/shoulders.Take a closer look at the trailer.

      • April 20, 2015 at 11:37 pm
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        Wouldn’t it be coolif he had a silver back?

    • April 21, 2015 at 5:27 am
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      ……that moment when the OT fans realize that the ROTS Chewbacca was more accurate than TFA Chewbacca….

      When first seeing the new trailer, I thought Chewbacca was wearing long dark eyelashes and had a large bump on his head from where Peter Mayhew tripped on his broken foot and crashed on the floor headfirst. That’s just what I’m seeing. Don’t expect anyone to agree…

      • April 21, 2015 at 5:34 am
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        Chewbacca with goth makeup and long lashes!!! Yep JJ, that’s what fans wanted…NOT.

        • April 22, 2015 at 3:37 pm
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          I don’t get it.. what are you guys talking about ?

  • April 20, 2015 at 8:17 pm
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    I think he is lieing and it is still Tattoine

    • April 20, 2015 at 8:34 pm
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      i’m not sure, so far there has only been one sun and light source in the trailers.

    • April 20, 2015 at 8:38 pm
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      Considering all the marketing that involves Jakku of late (i.e. Battlefront DLC), I think you’re kidding yoursef

      • April 20, 2015 at 8:40 pm
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        Yep, agreed

    • April 20, 2015 at 10:30 pm
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      What if Jakku is actually Tatooine, renamed after an epic battle of some sort ? Perhaps even one its suns blew out because of some mystery super massive weapon. Considering the clues we have (jawas crawler, some meeting with the Huts, …), I doubt they would mix very similar-looking planets in the same movie.

      • April 21, 2015 at 12:45 am
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        Dude you’re kidding yourself if you think some super weapon destroyed one of the two suns. Even if this is a scifi/fantasy, destroying a sun would destroy destroy the system it resides in. Plus I think a majority of people are tired of super weapons as a plot point, and I would consider it poor writing.

        • April 21, 2015 at 1:05 am
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          Suns are not necessary orbiting together all the time.

          • April 21, 2015 at 5:37 am
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            Suns never orbit their planet last time I checked.

          • April 21, 2015 at 8:13 pm
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            Exactly.

            I know this is Star Wars and all, but can we have a little Science in our Science Fantasy? Just a pinch for good measure. 🙂

        • April 21, 2015 at 3:43 pm
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          Maybe one of the suns left? Just got up, said “FU” and floated away to do it’s own thing… it’s science.

      • April 21, 2015 at 5:36 am
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        Still butt-hurt that making Star Wars was right and you were wrong?

      • April 21, 2015 at 6:06 pm
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        I can’t see it being renamed, yeah the empire has been renamed but the first order doesn’t seem to follow the traditional sith empire’s structure… Also tatooine has always been tatooine since before kotor. And it has been through countless galactic wars and under different regimes I don’t think they would rename it now.

      • April 22, 2015 at 12:20 pm
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        JJ never said it was not Hoth.
        JJ never said it was not Endor.
        It just got renamed…yeah
        JJ did not say it was not Naboo after Megadetinators activated…yeah

      • April 22, 2015 at 2:46 pm
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        1. Same landscape
        It’s not. The landscape of Tatooine is often rocky and even in the Battlefront trailer, its very dark and rocky. Everything we have seen from Jakku is sandy.

        2. Same cultures, aesthetics.
        We saw nothing of Jakkus culture, so saying it has the same cultures is stupid. And same aesthetics? Nope. We saw some builings and they have a different style. The clay buildings look nothing like Mos Eisley or Mos Espa, the big building in the Set photos is one giant building and a lot of nothing around, we never saw that on Tatooine.

        3. The sandcrawler
        EA says it’s tatooine. We never saw a sandcrawler on Jakku.

        4. The Force Awakens panel promo photo featuring a photo of Tatooine planet.
        Something that looks like Tatooine, maybe it is even Tatooine – as a placeholder.

        5. Boba Fett.
        As said, the Battlefront Trailer doesn’t show Jakku but Tatooine.

        And the most important of them all:

        6. JJ Abrams said it’s Jakku. Daisy Ridley said it’s Jakku. BUT… Nobody said “it’s not Tatooine, it’s Jakku.”
        Not saying that something is not something else, doesn’t make it something else.

        “Jakku is Tatooine. For some reason, this planet changed name.

        I mean, the Empire is now called First Order, but keeps being the Empire.”

        It makes no sense to change the planets name and we don’t know if the Empire keeps being the empire. We only know, that there is a “First Order”, that uses imperial equipment. It’s common that empires fall and shatter, new groups form under new banners but hold a part of the old territory and use the same weapons/armor. It also happens that a region gets a new name but thats not common, most names stay over hundreds and thousands of years, just being pronounced differently over time.

  • April 20, 2015 at 8:34 pm
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    MVS = Wullf Yularen. He had a small part in Tarkin that was otherwise totally unnecessary. Basically was shunned by the Empire’s higher up. So he would make sense to not have a great allegiance to the Empire. This assumes of course he made it off the first death star.

    • April 20, 2015 at 9:53 pm
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      dead. Yularen was on death star. He was some kind of tecnical supervisor, so he couldn’t just leave his post.

    • April 20, 2015 at 9:58 pm
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      Yularen was already old in ANH so I doubt it’s him.

  • April 20, 2015 at 8:50 pm
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    Im not buying it..I say, Tatooine was renamed by the First Order.and so was Hoth…i see no reason that they would need two sand planets and two ice planets…jawa’s are from tatooine…luke pulled that Star Destroyer down and destroyed it and caused a cataclysm.

    • April 20, 2015 at 8:54 pm
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      Because, ya know, the galaxy couldn’t have more than one sand or ice planet..IMPOSSIBLE!

      • April 20, 2015 at 9:01 pm
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        pretty much…considering lucasfilm has put out complete maps including all planets of the entire star wars galaxy..so out of all the planets we have…why would we need two more planets IDENTICAL to two planets weve already been to in the movies??? pretty damn stupid.and not only that…why on earth would we need two desert planets inhabited by Jawa’s with sandcrawlers roaming around??? you are from Earth right? so tell me mr know it all…is there another planet in our galaxy like earth?…. stfu

        • April 20, 2015 at 9:10 pm
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          Um, do have any idea how many planets are in a galaxy? Billions dude. So there is no way that there is a map with all the planets in the galaxy. Perhaps the “known relevant” planets at the time, but not all of them. Take a science class mate.

        • April 20, 2015 at 9:17 pm
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          Also, are you seriously asking me about our known galaxy in reference to a fictional one? Really? FYI: There are literally billions of ice (Pluto), and desert (Mars) type planets in our galaxy…billions.

          • April 20, 2015 at 9:58 pm
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            You have to remember that mainstream movies are produced for the majority of morons in America. Creating duplicate planets would go against this mentality so it wouldn’t be a stretch that these are the original trilogy planets and not new ones.

          • April 20, 2015 at 10:30 pm
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            Pluto’s not a planet anymore T^T

          • April 20, 2015 at 11:24 pm
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            Pluto made a come back as a planet – Google search “plutos back bitches”.

          • April 21, 2015 at 12:49 am
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            Yeah, Josh. So many desert planets in the galaxy, right? all of them inhabited by Jawas rolling a sandcrawler, of course.

          • April 21, 2015 at 10:39 pm
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            That scene you are referencing from the Battlefront footage is from Tattooine, not Jakku. Damn trolls..

          • April 22, 2015 at 12:29 am
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            Because Tatooine is Jakku for g sake! Now we have a crashed stardestroyer in Tatooine as well, with the same amount of surface under the sand, same angle… open the eyes.

          • April 22, 2015 at 2:49 pm
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            Yes, open your eyes and ears, because what we saw there was NOT the DLC. The DLC is the Battle of Jakku and that in the trailer was Tatooine.

          • April 22, 2015 at 6:22 pm
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            Who’s to say some jawas haven’t migrated… They are scavengers and under the description of jakku it said that the ruins of the huge battle has attracted scavengers from across the galaxy it. It almost seems like before that battle jakku was void of intelligent life… But to the jawas deal, a large majority of the races of Star Wars can be found all over the universe… Jawas are pretty smart who’s to say they live on tatooine only

        • April 20, 2015 at 9:20 pm
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          Hate to tell you, but when Disney killed the EU, it also killed the existing “star charts” that mostly came from the EU – so the new canon crew can make up as many planets and star systems as they want, duplicates or otherwise…

          • April 21, 2015 at 8:56 pm
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            Funny though, in the new SW roleplaying game being put out(which they say is canon), they are still using the old galatic maps.
            Check it out.

          • April 21, 2015 at 9:36 pm
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            The death of the star charts was an assumption on my part, considering the axing of the EU – if they keep the charts, that would make things easier – I could keep the big one that I have mounted on the wall in my rec room!!

          • April 21, 2015 at 9:53 pm
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            Well they did say the ship specs reference guides are still canon so it’s certainly possible the galactic map is too. They seriously need to get out some kind of new revised encyclopedia to outline what’s canon

      • April 20, 2015 at 9:02 pm
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        Sandcrawlers on Jakku don’t make sense unless Jawas came to Jakku to scavenge, or, maybe Jawas are native to Jakku, and had previously expanded to Tatooine… Jawa / Jakku, kinda makes sense. Maybe they scavenged something they shouldn’t have, some ancient weapon or something. I’m wondering if in this battle Han and Chewie have to abandon the Falcon, and that’s how it ends up staying on Jakku, under the command of this former admiral/officer (who has been repairing it for years), who then gives it to Rey and Finn. For that Matter, that could be Luke’s X-Wing crashed near the star destroyer, in the trailer.

        • April 20, 2015 at 9:55 pm
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          Maybe sandcrawlers are in fact mining vehicles and Jawas only scavenged them on Tatooine.
          Therefore, the one on Jakku might simply be completely unrelated to Jawas.

          • April 20, 2015 at 11:19 pm
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            This is actually what they were in “Legends.” In the first KOTOR, we were introduced to Czerka Corp, a galactic mining company. They had an outpost on Tatooine and brought with them Sandcrawlers that were later abandoned when they left the planet; there is a tongue-in-cheek reference within the game when an employee jokes, “Maybe the Jawas will find some use for them when we’re gone.”

      • April 20, 2015 at 9:03 pm
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        Right. How dare we think that Jawas could be native to other desert planets/environments?

        Why, that’s not realistic. It’s not as if we have that here, on one single planet, with critters such as scorpions and snakes!

        • April 20, 2015 at 9:06 pm
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          Did you even read beyond the first few words?

          • April 20, 2015 at 9:20 pm
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            Yes, I did. Doesn’t mean they make any sense to me, though.

            I’ve never found any SW official source claiming that Jawas are exclusive to Tatooine. And that bit about Luke bringing down a SD with the Force is pure speculation. I fail to see why I should be forced to agree with observations that make no sense to me, let alone speculation that sounds like terrible fanfiction to my ears.

          • April 20, 2015 at 9:28 pm
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            He is getting Luke confused with Starkiller in TFU…or just wishing Luke would also bring a SD down…with the Force. It was dumb in TFU, so please Gods make it untrue!

          • April 20, 2015 at 9:47 pm
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            Don’t worry, Abrams, Kasdan and co. aren’t serious when they say that “some” ideas will be borrowed from the EU. That’s just lip service to fans of the so-called Expanded Universe, precisely.

            If you’re lucky enough to make films or write books for a living that means you haven’t reached that position by borrowing from someone else’s terrible ideas. Especially not when you can come up with much better creations of your own.

        • April 20, 2015 at 9:10 pm
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          yeah…how dare we think that huh??? also…how dare we think Humans from earth cant inhabit pluto…. how dare we indeed!?

          jawa’s are from tatooine..if this was a different planet then surely abrams could have came up with another alien sand scavenger other than a damn jawa.

          • April 20, 2015 at 9:12 pm
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            The IQ in the comments section is decreasingly faster than I can replenish it. I’m out.

          • April 20, 2015 at 9:23 pm
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            Dude, just stop! You keep comparing real life to fictional. In the SW universe, many races live on many different planets. Alderaan, Corellia, etc are all moslty human. Why couldn’t Jawas be from a desert planet, and then colonize other desert worlds? Honestly…really give it some thought.

          • April 21, 2015 at 12:54 am
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            Excuse me Josh, it’s you who’s talking about “take a science lesson, mate” some comments ago.

            This is cinema. Abrams has the opportunity of his life with Star Wars, and he’s not gonna make a damn new planet exactly identical to Tatooine.

            Got an Ice Planet with new stormtroopers: could be a new planet.

            Got a desert planet with the sandcrawler, jawas and people dressing as of Tatooine natives? it’s Tatooine.

            That’s it. Accept it. Jakku is Tatooine.

          • April 21, 2015 at 5:41 am
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            JJ said it’s Jakoo in RESPONSE to the assumption it was Tatooine. end of story.

          • April 21, 2015 at 8:09 am
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            Ummmm… when did people on Tatooine ever dress like that? Most people on Tatooine dressed in simple desert robes.

            Jakkus inhabitants look like they are wearing scraps, very messy, a little more rough around the edges.

            They look… very… very different.

            Jakku is infinitly less humble looking of a world. Its architecture is cobbled together and junkey, with none of the smooth sandstone work you see on tatooine.

        • April 20, 2015 at 9:19 pm
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          Darth Vedder…LOL. wookipedia is you’re friend. you have no idea what the facts are, but yet you argue that this guy is wrong? lmao.If Hitler would have taken over the world. do you think the U.S.A would still be called the United States of America right now? do you think London England would still have that name? Egypt? if you do..then you are a tool.

          • April 20, 2015 at 9:30 pm
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            You know SW is fictional, right?

          • April 21, 2015 at 12:59 am
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            Because it’s fictional, you don’t invent a new planet which is exactly the same as the one appearing in almost all the films.

            Imagine Abrams and Kasdan talking:

            Kasdan: “We got this new force sensitive, Rey. Where’s she living?”
            Abrams: “mmmmh, Tatooine”
            Kasdan: “Tatooine, mmh. Again… We must find a good reason for that”.
            Abrams: “mmh feeling lazy at the moment. Let’s just call the planet different so that it’s a new planet”

            Come on…

          • April 21, 2015 at 5:43 am
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            Identical to Tatooine?? Last time I checked, I didn’t see any giant pigs on Tatooine. The architecture also looks a bit more “homestead-y” than Luke’s home planet.

          • April 20, 2015 at 9:35 pm
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            First off, it’s “Wookiepedia is YOUR friend”, Anon, lol.

            Secondly, Hitler winning WW2? You really think that’s related to the origin of species native to a desert environment?

            Seriously?

            No wonder you take the words of a fan-created SW “Encyclopedia” as gospel, lmao!

            At any rate, I couldn’t care less about any SW-related source other than the actual films. In that sense, I’ve never seen anything on any of the 6 existing SW films to date telling me that Jawas, Tusken Raiders, Banthas, Krayt Dragons, Rancors, Eiopes, or any other creature found on Tatooine cannot be native to any other desert environment in the galaxy.

            If Abrams decides to show me that any of these Tatooine lifeforms can be native to ANY other desert environment in the GFFA, I’m perfectly fine with it.

    • April 21, 2015 at 2:21 am
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      You know… Jawas… can leave tatooine right?

      There is this amazing invention in Star Wars, called a “spaceship” that they can use to get off their planet and colonize new ones.

      Also, there is already two sand-planets. Geonosis and Tatooine… what the hell is wrong with a third?

  • April 20, 2015 at 9:11 pm
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    R2 looks pretty much the same just more beat up.(CONFIRMED)

  • April 20, 2015 at 9:45 pm
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    Jakku is NOT Tatooine..

    • April 21, 2015 at 1:00 am
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      Develop it.

      • April 21, 2015 at 5:45 am
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        Better yet, perry moon, admit you’re wrong.

        • April 21, 2015 at 1:15 pm
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          I’ve given seven reasons why I think it’s Tatooine.

          I am sorry, for me has more sense that someone like Abrams changes the name of a planet (which plotwise can work) to play with fans rather than inventing a new planet very similar to the most famous planet in the galaxy.

          By the way, he and Daisy said it’s Jakku, but nobody said it’s Tatooine.

          • April 22, 2015 at 11:58 pm
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            It’s Jakku because it’s a completely new planet. I don’t care if there are hundreds of desert planets it’s a NEW planet. You will be found wrong on this and badly. Good day.

  • April 20, 2015 at 9:46 pm
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    i think kylo ren might have convinced that he is the “next” darth vader, not the actual one.

    • April 21, 2015 at 12:27 am
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      What I took from my source is that he is literally claiming to be Darth Vader, not the heir.

    • April 21, 2015 at 1:02 am
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      It makes sense him claiming to be the original. Remember Aftermath’s sinopsis: “vader and the emperor are rumored to be dead”

      • April 21, 2015 at 5:47 am
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        You also mis-spelled synopsis. Just leave this message board, please.

        • April 21, 2015 at 1:08 pm
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          I’m not an english speaker, but I think we can deal with that, right?

      • April 21, 2015 at 6:02 am
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        That could be an interesting idea – what if this “Uber” character is claiming to be Palpatine and Kylo Ren is claiming to be Vader – an thus holding the “Empire” together.

        Related to this – still very interested to know the identity of the dark figure standing front and center on the stage above the stormtrooper assembly in the new trailer…

  • April 20, 2015 at 9:49 pm
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    MVS is Kanan Jarrus seekig exile after failing miserably in training Ezra into fully fledged Jedi Knight (at some point in Rebels season 3 Ezra is converted to the dark side by Vader and becomes his apprentice). The rough outline of the end of rhe series is as follows: the final duel is between Kanan and Ezra + Vader and Ashoka. Vader defeats Ashoka, but Ezra struck by the cruelty of Vader turns against him, he cannot saved Tano but buys some time for Kanan to flee (for the second time in his life). Ezra is redempted but ultimately dies from the hands of Vader himself. All in all the rebels had succeeded in making the Alliance come into full force but Kanan on personal level had failed (pretty much like Kenobi in ROS). He seeks seclusion on the deserted planet and 30 years later he sees helping Rey 30 years later as a way to make things right once and for all.

    • April 20, 2015 at 9:57 pm
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      This sounds the worst thing I’ve read in speculations. they don’t even look similar!

    • April 20, 2015 at 11:36 pm
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      Remember how much Obi Wan aged between Ep III to A New Hope? Well, whose to say Max wasn’t Kanan? Good, in theory.

  • April 20, 2015 at 10:43 pm
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    JAKku is probably a reference to George Lucas. Taken for MSW : “The prequels did business as “JAK Productions,” which was an acronym of George Lucas’ children’s names of Jet, Amanda, and Katie.”

    JAK, Jakku… Home of someone ´s kids?

    • April 20, 2015 at 10:59 pm
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      Great Thinking^

  • April 20, 2015 at 10:51 pm
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    Max Von Sydow is obviously playing a character we haven’t met before. And likely a former imperial, it’s not fucking rocket surgery nerds.

    • April 20, 2015 at 11:00 pm
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      Rocket surgery eh??

      • April 23, 2015 at 12:00 am
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        A play off of rocket science and brain surgery. You never heard that before?

  • April 20, 2015 at 11:07 pm
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    Ahhhhh … home! People arguing about their own personal vision of SW films. It’s why I hate and love SW fans all at once!

  • April 20, 2015 at 11:32 pm
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    I swear, Gleeson has to be General Tarkins son, or grand son for that matter. He sports that uncanny resemblance with the sunken in cheeks, and slick the hair back, he could easily play the part. Whose to say he’s not ‘The General’?

  • April 20, 2015 at 11:49 pm
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    I believe Rey is Leias and Wickets daughter,
    we just haven’t seen her hairy legs yet!

  • April 20, 2015 at 11:53 pm
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    I don’t think any kids will be a sky walker as if Luke is a Jedi and can’t be attached , I know anikin broke the rule but I feel Luke is a lot wiser like obi and I think his voice over in the trailer is hinted towards a solo

  • April 21, 2015 at 12:31 am
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    Kylo Ren Solo and Kira Rey Solo

    OR

    Kylo Ren Skywalker and Kira Rey Skywalker

    Any thoughts???

    • April 21, 2015 at 1:03 am
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      I’m going with the Solos.

      They definitely want to keep that familial antagonism and redemptive storyline.

      In the OT it was father/son.

      Here, it’s going to be brother/sister.

  • April 21, 2015 at 12:35 am
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    I’m still thinking it’s Tatooine. The name ‘The Battle of Jakku’ doesn’t have to mean the planets name is Jakku, it’s also possible the battle took place somewhere in space and the Star Destroyer happens to crash on Tatooine. Why do we need an other desert planet if we allready have one we all love for many years. The home planet of the Skywalkers were every triology basically starts. It’s the planet we’ve seen on movie posters, the planet with the twin sunset, the cantina, mos eisley, Jabba’s Palace (or whatever is left of it, maybe Rotta is the boss now :D). The planet even appairs in SWTOR. I don’t say it isn’t possible to have a new desert planet, but I just don’t see a logical explanation to have one at the moment. It’s not like the Death Star blew up Tatooine. What’s so special about the planet it couldn’t just be Tatooine? What does Jakku have Tatooine doesn’t have? Again, I’m not saying it couldn’t happen, I just don’t see the reason about it at the moment, maybe the future explains us why.

    • April 21, 2015 at 1:06 am
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      The mediclorians will tell us.

  • April 21, 2015 at 1:33 am
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    A space battle already happened over Tatooine in Ep.4.

  • April 21, 2015 at 1:50 am
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    Question: if Kylo Ren was really pretending to be Darth Vader…. Why in the world doesn’t he wear a Darth Vader mask???

    • April 21, 2015 at 4:53 am
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      Vader’s mask served 2 purposes. One: It was designed to look intimidating, even terrifying in order to invoke fear into persons and enemies of lesser stature. Two: It was designed to interface a specific way with his suit’s respiration mechanics so as to allow him to be able to breathe thoroughly enough. The former function can be achieved with any number of designs, while the latter function was of medical necessity- which, may or may not be a situation that Kylo is in physically.

      Right now, I doubt that Kylo needs a mask that co-functions as part of a respirator.

    • April 21, 2015 at 11:02 pm
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      Most people could probably tell even with a vader mask that he is of different stature, younger, sounds different. Perhaps becoming vaders “icon” wasn’t even intentional…maybe ignorant imperials saw a ruthless man in a mask with the force and started worshiping him as vader reborn and he just went with it to gain power.

  • April 21, 2015 at 1:52 am
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    I wish starwars7news would write an article about the name “Kira” appearing on the side of Rey’s speeder bike at Celebration.

  • April 21, 2015 at 3:30 am
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    It’s not Tatooine, JJ is not so stupid as to lie about this and tell cast members to lie, no matter how much misdirection he has used in the past. No one is so daft as to alienate a whole fandom that way.

    • April 21, 2015 at 4:50 am
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      It is Tatooine. It’s obvious it’s a secret, they want to hide what has been going on. Why else would Boba Fett be there?

      • April 21, 2015 at 9:33 pm
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        I’m probably the only one, but I really don’t want to see a 70 year old boba fett in TFA. Let him die in peace (well, over a thousand years anyway).

  • April 21, 2015 at 3:32 am
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    Interesting, I thought the crashed Super Star Destroyer from the trailer might be Han Solo’s. Maybe he was flying the Falcon in to retrieve or destroy something he left behind. Now the timeframe seems off.

  • April 21, 2015 at 3:58 am
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    funny reading you lot debate what is what, things n stuff lol lets all assume, just because there is desert on a planet, it doesn’t necessarily mean it is a desert planet. Hundreds of square miles of desert here on Earth and yet, not a desert planet. Jawas being the scavengers they are, would absolutely move around, its business right! and I totally agree, as with the SW galaxy and our own, be it ice, desert or earth like, tens of thousands of thousands of suns and planets, we are just an insignificant pea, the reason we call it space and infinitely so

    • April 21, 2015 at 7:44 pm
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      What if Jakku IS a geologically diverse planet like you say and the entire movie takes place on it? The ice…the serene lake with the mountains…all of it on Jakku…That would throw some people. 🙂

      • April 22, 2015 at 3:46 am
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        hard case! it would indeed lol great idea considering, all locations were filmed from one planet 🙂

  • April 21, 2015 at 4:02 am
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    EA specifically mentioned that the battle of Jakku happened one year after ROTJ. It seems like an important detail to omit.

  • April 21, 2015 at 4:18 am
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    Dear god, the complete and utter insanity of not being able to accept e planet is not tatooine is baffling.

    • April 22, 2015 at 12:45 am
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      Indeed. And again, who cares? It looks cool so far.

  • April 21, 2015 at 4:32 am
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    What if Kylo Ren is BOTH Domnal Ghleeson and Adam Driver.. Noone would suspect it beeing two persons being one guy.. and the mask would hide that fact..

    • April 21, 2015 at 11:35 am
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      Yeah, that’s the great thing about masks: they mask things…

  • April 21, 2015 at 4:32 am
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    This report is BS. That planet is Tatooine, why else would the First Order and Kylo raid the place? They are looking for Luke and his Saber. Get with it, this is all a deception campaign by JJ so you are surprised. ITS TATOOINE!

    • April 21, 2015 at 8:05 am
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      I cant tell if you are joking or serious…

  • April 21, 2015 at 4:34 am
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    It’s Tatooine.

  • April 21, 2015 at 4:45 am
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    Yeah, I’m sticking with Tatooine. No way that’s a new planet. Maybe they re-named it after the First Order took over. Besides, you can clearly see moisture vaporators in the trailer.

    • April 21, 2015 at 5:52 am
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      -gasp!- the presence of moisture evaporators automatically makes it Tatooine!!!! Why, there were jedi in the palace of Theed…. so logically Naboo was really the Jedi Temple!!!!!!

    • April 21, 2015 at 8:04 am
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      I am curious asto why you think Moisture vaporators wouldnt, and couldnt, be used on multiple worlds…

      • April 21, 2015 at 12:56 pm
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        It was actually joking, folks could see the movie tomorrow and it could have no mention of Tatooine and people would still believe it was Tatooine.

        I was honestly hoping it wasn’t when they first started shoot in Dubai. So tired of everything happening there. Not hating on the prequels but they managed to make the universe seem so small.

  • April 21, 2015 at 4:46 am
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    According to some research by fellow 1030th Member TK-1204, the map isn’t even close to being completed, and that the trailer shows Tatooine with the Star Destroyer an X-Wing just showed in for now. The actual map will be different, have now Jawas, etc.

  • April 21, 2015 at 5:53 am
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    Everyone needs to calm down. It’s just a movie. First of all it’s make believe. It isn’t real. Second, who cares what planet it is? I just hope the film has a great story, good script, and is fluent throughout the movie. I, personally love 4-6, and I’m not too fond of 1-3. I hope this movie exceeds my expectations, since I’m skeptical of JJ and Disney at the moment. George said in 1977, ” I just want people to be able to watch Star wars and enjoy 2 hours in my world, so that they can get a break from the reality of their world for a while.” It’s Science Fiction people, not Science fact. As Yoda said to Luke, ” You must unlearn what you have learned.” Let your inner child out again. Just try to enjoy the film. I’m old enough to have seen all Star wars movies either 1st or 2nd day of their releases. One reason that I loved 4-6, is that the Star wars universe was much smaller and it wasn’t so enormous. You could use your imagination to transform yourself into their world, but nowadays, this generation wants bigger is better attitude…more, more, more regardless of the story. If you want to get technical, the crashed Star Destroyer is supposed to be a mile in length. It clearly isn’t. Reality, who cares. The only thing that truly matters is that the original characters stay true to their character and that the film flows smoothly with a great script.

    • April 21, 2015 at 11:16 pm
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      *slow clap

      I really have no care in the world about what damn planet it is. Are there people/sentient beings on it? Are they interesting? Do they have interesting adventures? That’s all that counts.

    • April 22, 2015 at 2:31 am
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      Awesome post. That’s all I have to say.

  • April 21, 2015 at 5:58 am
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    What I really hate about the diehard OT fans is that everything has to go their way or no way at all.

    Just look at the mess they made with this forum. Despite clear evidence from JJ himself, these people keep making silly excuses for justifying their crazed obsession with Episodes 4-6.

    So there’s a new desert planet that is not Tatooine. Is that so difficult a thing to accept??? Actually, I guess it is, seeing that Disney has been spoon-feeding you sugar and babying you all since October 2012… so naturally you throw a tantrum when Lucasfilm does something against your Almighty will.

    • April 21, 2015 at 11:17 pm
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      Do we really have a correlation on OT fans and skepticism of the Tattooine/Jakku thing?

  • April 21, 2015 at 6:17 am
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    I call BS on Kylo pretending to be Darth Vader. What is Vader known for? The Mask and the Voice. Ren’s got neither. Buuuut he could have a prop robot Vader he keeps around for showing off occasionally to lend himself credibility and legitimacy. That seems a bit silly though.
    And I like the idea that Jakku is Tattoine after some apocalyptic space battle, the previous power structure shattered and only scavengers and wreckage remaining.

    • April 21, 2015 at 8:08 am
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      I really don’t care if it’s Tattoine or Jakku or Willy Nilly Land, if it’s not Tattoine, doesn’t mean Tattoine won’t show up at all.
      Also I’d rather see a film made on the basis of a good script instead of a a checklist.
      It’s the uncreative people, who want all to stay the same. Those rarely make big event movies. I’d rather be surprised with cool new stuff than seeing too much of a nostalgia show.

    • April 21, 2015 at 3:49 pm
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      Having a robotic Vader-arm, you mean like, in Toy Story?
      Arm: “Oh hello everybody!”

      Stormtroopers: “Hey look it’s Lord Vader!”

      Kylo: “Hey Darth, let’s show the guys over there our new secret best friend handshake!” *shakes hands with the dismembered arm*

      PS I misread, I thought Cpt. Fuzzbottom said “robotic arm”,
      the scene is still striking though

      • April 22, 2015 at 5:16 am
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        I want that scene to happen.

  • April 21, 2015 at 8:53 am
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    Some new planets in TFA are:
    Jakku is Jakku, NOT aka Tatooine.
    The ice planet we see in the teaser will likely be Sollust as it will appear in Battlefront (looks like Iceland as quoted by creators!)
    And finally what’s Han Solo’s home planet?? Hmm ‘Chewie we’re home’ as they look out the cockpit..they see Correlia!
    hmm we’ll see…

  • April 21, 2015 at 9:32 am
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    …when nerds argue…

  • April 21, 2015 at 11:39 am
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    Didn’t Bothanspi say that it WAS Tatooine? So do we now disregard everything he/she said? Oh Bothan, I believed in you…

  • April 21, 2015 at 2:21 pm
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    Tatooine + Planet of the Apes, surprise ending!

  • April 21, 2015 at 3:39 pm
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    I can’t help but feel a major new planet in the SW universe (Jakku) looking IDENTICAL to another major planet in the SW universe (Tatooine) is a bad idea from a logic point of view, a continuity point of view or just a plain imagination (or lack of!) point of view.

    I think Disney/Lucasfilm have made a massive error of judgment going with this concept. It’s misguided and it doesn’t bode well for the rest of the plot. TFA may turn out to be a right stinker of a plot. Hope I’m wrong but Jakku looks hopelessly unimaginative. Zero vision from Abrams/Kasdan. A bit of imagination is needed. I see none here. Depressing.

    Let’s hope the rest of the plot has some vaguely fresh/different ideas otherwise this isn’t The Force Awakens… it’s

    The Rehash Awakens

    • April 21, 2015 at 3:47 pm
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      But… it… doesnt. The buildings are all cobbled together wrecks, the inhabitants wear post-apoclayptic gear instead of the humble-desert-dweller gear of tatooine.

      Even the few permanent-looking structures dont seem to use the sand-stone type look of tatooine.

      The native pig-animals are utterly different looking from anything on Tatooine.

      On top of all that, have you considered that for the plot to happen they needed to have this planet undergo cataclysmic events? Such as star Destroyers descending from orbit.

      A radical change in a planets physical and political structure would not be accepted by Star Wars fans.

      Star Wars fans would lose their sh*t an view it as a literal assault on Star Wars.

    • April 22, 2015 at 3:29 am
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      It is possible that the entire planet isn’t desert, just where the crash occurred. We have deserts here on Earth, yet it isn’t a desert planet.

  • April 21, 2015 at 3:48 pm
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    Maybe Rey is Leia’s daughter and Ren is Luke’s son? That would certainly make things interesting!

    • April 22, 2015 at 5:57 am
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      Kylo Ren is the inbred son of Leia and Luke ,

  • April 21, 2015 at 4:00 pm
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    I’m not buying the whole “Star Destroyer becoming crashed into us = Let’s change the entire planet’s name” theory.
    You have any idea how much that f@#$ up the trade system?
    That’d be like Italy changing its name to Charles.
    It’d confuse France and most Americans wouldn’t notice the name-change until the 2020 elections. You have any idea how many millions of dollars worth of supplies would be lost between the time they arbitrarily changed their name and other people bothering to straighten the miscommunication out?

    I suppose though that it would be smart for Earth to have a backup Name, in case aliens come invading, then we can adopt the backup name and pin “Target: Earth” on another planet to throw off the aliens [sorry Venus your just not helpful, you’re on your own]

  • April 21, 2015 at 4:52 pm
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    Maybe it goes like this. Millenium Falcon Crashed on Jakku, Han and Leia put Rey in an escape pod with the plan of retrieving her, or just to save her, they survived, but couldn´t find her, and the Falcon was left there. Just by accident Rey has been brought up on Jakku, parented by MsV, and then the force has it´s way and things lead her back to where she belongs. I also Believe that Rey is the only offspring of the Solo/Skywalker lineage.
    But that´s just me.

    • April 21, 2015 at 5:12 pm
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      like that idea for reys background,would be knew but also mirroring lukes ubringing

    • April 22, 2015 at 12:38 am
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      I love it! Te idea of Han and Leia loosing her in the battle of Jakku and her doing its way.

  • April 21, 2015 at 5:09 pm
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    My guess, basing what little i know from the expanded universe, I only know a tiny amount, only researching areas i thought relevant to the new film, and also based on rumours ive heard and taking form things said in the previous films,
    I think that there are at least two solo kids, there were three in EU, one brother died, turning the other crazy and tipping him to the dark side. Anakin solo was also constantly haunted by sharing the name of his grandfather. The sister was left to kill her brother after he turned.
    I think the characteristics of all the sibling in the new films could be demonstrates in only two siblings in this film, and i think it will be twins, the twin brother constantly huanted by his grandfather with a great fear of him, this combined with the rumours of darth plagus lead me to think that plagus could possibly return and use the twin brothers fear to brain wash him and turn him to the dark side. (yoda always said fear was a path to the dark side)

    for whatever reason, possibly some falling out with the family, rey is on her own living as a scavenger, she encounters fin, poe dameron is send on a mission by royaly (confirmed) to retrieve Rey and bring her back, she being one of the only people who can restor peace

  • April 21, 2015 at 6:49 pm
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    I’m wondering if Rey is of some other lineage related to the Old Rebellion Founders, like Mon Mothma’s family or Bail Organa’s family, but not Skywalker per se.
    Making her the daughter of an exiled lineage that ended up somewhere out of the Empire’s priority-zone.
    I’m just having trouble thinking of a convincing scenario where Leia plops her daughter on some back-back-region planet.
    She knows that that didn’t really work out for Luke. She’s like literally one of the most powerful people in the Galaxy at this point so I’m just not seeing the motivation here… unless she gone and banged Wedge Antilles and [rightfully] feared Han would pull a blaster and shoot first if he found out. So there’s always that plot direction 🙂

    • April 21, 2015 at 7:33 pm
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      What if Rey is fully aware of her lineage but is a runaway or has had a falling out with her family (as anon previously stated) and is out sowing her wild oats so to speak? Just because she lives on a desert world in solitude doesn’t necessarily mean she is not related to the Skywalkers/Solos or that she is and is unaware. She may be on Jakku by choice or even possibly running an undercover operation for the Resistance. The possibilities are endless and it excites me.

      • April 21, 2015 at 10:33 pm
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        Rey believes she is an orphan, and doesn’t know or remember her parents.

      • April 23, 2015 at 5:39 pm
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        Rumors suggest that Rey has never seen a green forest before and – in the movie – will be awestruck when she does. This tells me she has been on Jakku as far back as her memory will serve her.

    • April 22, 2015 at 7:35 am
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      What if Leia’s ship crashed and the baby Solo had gone missed on Jakku???

  • April 21, 2015 at 7:07 pm
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    So that was not Adam in the orange Xwing jumpsuit from that early, blurry spy photo? I’m having trouble seeing how it could be.

  • April 21, 2015 at 7:41 pm
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    “The first scene of the movie is Finn finding out he has been promoted to Ren’s elite unit of storm troopers” SERIOUS? HE IS FUCKING 22 YEARS OLD? MAYBE HE NEEDS SOME EXPERIENCE TO PROMOTE TO THAT ELITE UNIT COME ON. WTF HE GONNA BE JAMES BOND TOO SOON?

    • April 21, 2015 at 7:48 pm
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      Have you ever seen a Star Wars movie? Better yet, have you ever experienced real combat? It’s not that crazy at all.

    • April 21, 2015 at 9:46 pm
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      rebels showed the empire recruiting stormtroopers at 14 or 15, so if that continued, at 22 finn could have been a stormtrooper 7 or 8 years

    • April 21, 2015 at 10:28 pm
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      Even more important – after years in the academy no one ever noticed he is a pacifist who hates killing people? I mean – no soldier material at all? Here on Earth we know it in days or weeks. But Finn is a Stormtroper! And he hates firing at people! Wow! 🙂

      • April 21, 2015 at 11:16 pm
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        He’s probably not a pacifist, he probably was just deluding himself that he was on the good side until he saw an entire village of people murdered with flamethrowers by some sith Zelot to find a random lightsaber and realizes- crap- these people are coocoo for coco puffs, I’m joining the sane side. The empire was (albeit deceptively) voted for and accepted as the legitimate government, so it makes sense some people saw them as the good guys and saw the space-station bombing rebels as terrorists.

    • April 21, 2015 at 11:22 pm
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      WHAT?

      My friend made Captain in an ARMY RANGER unit at age 25. There’s no stretch here.

  • April 21, 2015 at 8:05 pm
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    Kylo ren kinda sucks for a sith name and his mask is lame. The lines are pointless and it just doesn’t look evil enough. I hope is voice is cool.

    • April 21, 2015 at 8:52 pm
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      *sigh* I hit like… I don’t like yer comment… I meant to hit the lame button. Sorry for the false hope someone liked your comment… I don’t

  • April 21, 2015 at 8:43 pm
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    What if Kylo Ren has a double identity ?
    Sometimes we see him as a normal person without knowing it’s him.
    Maybe he’ll have a mask on throughout the movie…and then, maybe for ep8, we finally get to discover his true identity.

    Kind of Superman/Clark Kent thing maybe ?

    • April 21, 2015 at 9:43 pm
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      Right from the start, I’ve thought this. In Ep 7,
      Kylo will never remove his mask, so we won’t really know who he is. Meanwhile, Adam Driver maintains his x-wing character alias, and everyone is none-the-wiser.

      • April 21, 2015 at 11:21 pm
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        I agree! I like the double identity idea for kylo. Definately better than someone who is just evil for evils sake. definately would add a little more intrigue into the story and make it feel different from vader. Just hope they don’t have him say “no! I am your brother” or “No! I am your son” for the big reveal… That would be dumb.

      • April 21, 2015 at 11:52 pm
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        But if he maintains he is Vader then Kylo Ren would have to be his alter ego, yet we know that name is associated with the dude saying he is Vader…

        • April 22, 2015 at 12:47 am
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          Like Sidious? Not that original anymore dude.

          • April 22, 2015 at 1:59 am
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            But we already knew Palpatine would become Emperor from the OT, and they really didn’t hide the “twist.”
            This is a new character, so why introduce us to him as Kylo if he is hiding his identity in the film? It would be a closer analogy to show us Sidious before the film and call him Palpatine.
            Sure, we all know Kylo isn’t really Vader, but why reveal any part of his real name now? It just seems like an odd move unless people call him that early in the film, which they could. I’m just asking why they would do it this way marketing wise – and I don’t buy the “fan rage” argument.

  • April 21, 2015 at 8:49 pm
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    Jakku is Tatooine, this is going to be a “Certain point a view” moment for JJ.

    The Planet has been renamed after some battle… I’m sorry but in the image we’ve all seen from the game there is a freaking Sand Crawler in the shot. You’re telling me the Jawas are on another Sand planet that looks just like Tatooine… sorry not buying it. Jakku is Tatooine renamed

    • April 21, 2015 at 9:32 pm
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      I wanted it to be Naboo renamed .

      I remember that concept art of a star destroyer over what looked like Naboo.

      Maybe it was just one of those fan concept arts that was done to fool everyone.

    • April 21, 2015 at 11:49 pm
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      So you don’t think Jawas would take advantage of another sand planet with lots of scrap to go through?

  • April 21, 2015 at 9:13 pm
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    Hot news from Germany! Many cinemas are going to boycott Avengers – Age Of Ultron because Disney is too greedy!

  • April 21, 2015 at 9:37 pm
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    “DICE already confirmed that the planet from the trailer footage is Tatooine.”

    So, Tatooine has now a Star Destroyer crash, exactly like in Jakku… Interesting……!

    • April 21, 2015 at 10:52 pm
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      OR! That is just for the Trailer.

      As it should be known, people can do any-damn bullshit in trailers. Especially pre-rendered trailers that use no ingame footage.

      • April 22, 2015 at 12:35 am
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        Or… I’m giving you many good reasons why I think it’s Tatooine and you don’t accept any of them.

        Time will tell.

  • April 21, 2015 at 9:48 pm
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    renaming a planet is the last thing a “first order” would think of…its NOT Tatooine…take a deep breath and let go!!!!

    • April 22, 2015 at 12:40 am
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      Why?

  • April 21, 2015 at 10:11 pm
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    My bad 🙂

  • April 21, 2015 at 10:12 pm
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    Kylo Ren running around pretending to be Vader is awesome on soo many levels…

    If he can wreak havoc on the galaxy while pretending to be Sith, then what is going to happen when the Ancient Fear gets unleashed from his Force-prison? Don’t care if its Bane or Plagueis, I just want it to be one of them. The story is shaping up nicely.

  • April 21, 2015 at 11:00 pm
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    If Kylo is telling people he is Vader, then why did they tell us his real name (or part of it) so early? Do people in the film know who he is early on and say his name? Shouldn’t it be more of a mystery to us until the film comes out?

    • April 21, 2015 at 11:27 pm
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      Probably because crazy fans would tear the internet apart or boycott the film if they though JJ was ACTUALLY bringing vader back from the dead. Think of how mad they were just for adding a cross guard to a lightsaber. I’m sure the ruse will be revealed quite early since we all saw vader die and his redeemed ghost appear to Luke so his death not uncertain. Plus the REAL mystery is still who is under that mask and is he a solo or skywalker or someone unrelated?

      • April 21, 2015 at 11:38 pm
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        I’m not saying they should call him Vader now. I’m saying don’t call him anything but “new villain” etc. before the film.
        I’m also not saying the audience would think he is Vader, just that giving even part of his real name takes away the in-film persona he is supposedly creating. I’m just saying that it is odd to me that they would give a name other than one they would use for him early in the film.

      • April 22, 2015 at 8:38 pm
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        I wanna see the true nature of the Dark Side in these movies.

  • April 21, 2015 at 11:23 pm
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    Who cares what the damn planet is?

    Are there interesting things going on? That’s more important.

  • April 22, 2015 at 12:25 am
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    Rey is too young to have known about Vader except in an historical sense, and how would she know that Kylo Ren definitely wasn’t Vader and that he was dead for certain, unless she is a Skywalker/Solo? Of course, that’s only if she actually says that line in the film. (Which I’m hoping she doesn’t.)

  • April 22, 2015 at 1:50 am
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    If MVS is an ex destroyer captain might he be Nahdonnis Praji?? Super Star Destroyer captain from OT??

  • April 22, 2015 at 2:06 am
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    what about Kylo Ren is just Luke?

    • April 24, 2015 at 11:58 am
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      Adam Driver is Kylo Ren (formerly Lando Solo after we find out Lando sacrifices himself to save Han about twenty years ago; Ren is a play off words from early in the movie where he talks about how “Rey ran and i wish i could catch her”; at the end of the movie Kylo Ren turns back to the light side to assist Luke and the new jedi order to fight a greater evil, one that Kylo accidentally unleashes [think piccolo teaming up with goku, does so begrudginly])

      Daisey Ridley is Rey Solo (separated and hidden from her older brother Lando after he attacks Luke during training)

      Gleeson is Obi-Wan Skywalker and is going to form a jedi team with Rey and Finn to fight Kylo and his top two commanders-the chrome trooper and Finn’s former first in command

      *the conflict from the government is a fight over whether or not to reinstate the jedi into a position of power*

    • April 22, 2015 at 3:57 pm
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      No.

  • April 22, 2015 at 4:33 am
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    “EDIT: DICE already confirmed that the planet from the trailer footage is Tatooine.”

    All it said was the planet the X-wings were flying over was Tatooine. The star destroyer crashing in the background where Boba Fett is strongly hints at Jakku. But this is the needless issue that comes of having two desert worlds that look so much alike.

  • April 22, 2015 at 5:47 am
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    Fin is Leia and Landos kid…. JS

    • April 22, 2015 at 11:30 pm
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      That could also be reason Leia and Han separated. Finn and Rey could be step-siblings. I hope Lando says “Hey, Han old Buddy”.

  • April 22, 2015 at 7:25 am
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    I have a theory…so there was a big battle on Jakku’s sky…the star destroyer crashed…what if…Leia was envolved somehow in this battle…what if…the ship with baby Leia crashed too?…and somehow the baby had survived?So Rey is the lost baby of Leia…what do you think guys???

  • April 22, 2015 at 9:41 pm
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    Not sure if this has been said already.

    But perhaps Rey was kidnapped from the Solos at s very young age and left marooned on Jakku.

    The kidnapping arranged as revenge by the Hutts for the murder of Jabba by Rey’s mother, Leia Organa Solo. (Assuming they married at all)

  • April 22, 2015 at 10:00 pm
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    AND the name rumored for Daisys character, KIRA, could be her birth name but the scavengers that raised her called her Rey.

    The revelation that she is actually Kira Solo.

    Han & Leia are no longer together. Han has spent years traveling the Galaxy searching for their list daughter (or children).

    I like that Kylo is a Solo son. It fits the rhythm of the saga. Episode IX climaxing with an epic battle between brother and sister. Ending in both of their deaths.

    FINALLY severing the cursed Skywalker bloodline which was created when Palpatine, using the “unnatural” powers taught to him by his master, Darth Plagues, emaculately conceives his future apprentice within a slave woman on an outer rim planet. Shmi.

    The Skywalker bloodline must end for balance to be restored!

  • April 24, 2015 at 6:55 am
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    The rumor started from the leak of a few lines of dialogue.

    Finn: “What planet is this?”

    Rey (sneezing): “Jaaaaakkkuuu!!!”

    Finn: “Never heard of it…”

  • April 24, 2015 at 10:02 am
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    And another thing about the prequels, not only are they bogged down in explaining what was going on (where as Star Wars threw you in there, into an established ‘this is how it is’ world/story – probably due to Lucas time and money restraints, but it worked) – but the actors also seem like they can’t be bothered, they have no enthusiam, it’s all ‘cardboard’ acting. Acting on valium. Acting to green/blue screen. Oh you get the gist.

  • April 24, 2015 at 11:32 am
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    Adam Driver is Kylo Ren (formerly Lando Solo after we find out Lando sacrifices himself to save Han about twenty years ago; Ren is a play off words from early in the movie where he talks about how “Rey ran and i wish i could catch her”; at the end of the movie Kylo Ren turns back to the light side to assist Luke and the new jedi order to fight a greater evil, one that Kylo accidentally unleashes [think piccolo teaming up with goku, does so begrudginly])

    Daisey Ridley is Rey Solo (separated and hidden from her older brother Lando after he attacks Luke during training)

    Gleeson is Obi-Wan Skywalker and is going to form a jedi team with Rey and Finn to fight Kylo and his top two commanders-the chrome trooper and Finn’s former first in command

    *the conflict from the government is a fight over whether or not to reinstate the jedi into a position of power*

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